Help With CrawlSpace Growroom

Hairy Bob

Well-Known Member
LEDs are a contentious subject on here... Most growers deem them an expensive mistake to make, and for the time being they don't seem to have anything like the power of HID lighting, but those that choose to use them will hear talk of nothing else, LEDs are the future, you see, and anyone who says otherwise is a stupid doo-doo head.
That's the way most of the arguments I've seen seem to go anyway, on, and on, and on, without actually reaching a conclusion we can all agree on.
I have some first hand experience growing with LEDs, my veg setup is based soley on 600 of 'em hanging from a frame above the plants, LEDs on wires so they hang down all around the plants, always about an inch or two from the leaves, which is the way it needs to be with that type of lighting. You see pictures of plants grown under these boards everone uses, and the top 2-3 inch of bud looks fine, then below that all the leaves will be curled over and dark, 'cos the light just don't travel that far. The downside with doing it my way is that I have 600 LEDs to adjust, individually, at least once a week, and more often than not every few days, to make sure they still point directly at the leaves. But I like being with my girls, so it's ok, although in all honesty, they grow no better than under 110w of flouro, just uses less power (something like 12w).
I wouldn't dream of using them for flowering though, not until the technology has developed to the point where they will be either more powerful, or cheaper (current top end LED rigs are $600+) than HPS. The way things are atm, they have a way to go yet.
Now we sit back and wait for the LED advocates to storm in and tell me I don't know shit...
 

7th1der

Well-Known Member
There's ton's of videos on Google of people doing the comparison. The results aren't too impressive though.
 
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fureelz

Guest
dont touch those leaves, just the stock(s) when tying; the leaves fluctuate too much. I wouldn't worry about tying anything down until about 8"-10" anyway...and F an LED...go HPS when flowering. my 2 pennies
 

Tanis83

Well-Known Member
dont touch those leaves, just the stock(s) when tying; the leaves fluctuate too much. I wouldn't worry about tying anything down until about 8"-10" anyway...and F an LED...go HPS when flowering. my 2 pennies

20% more yield when using a HPS vs a MH.... and those two types far far far out do an LED panel......

MY 2 Cents!

I'd just use the same light all the way through really... instead of messing around with two ballists or buying a digital one for more money.

I do my grow with HPS from seed to cut.....
 
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fureelz

Guest
really? i shall check the journal! I used to until I found out about these T5s
 

Tanis83

Well-Known Member
check on the forums... I did a lot of reading around before I got my light....

the only thing about hps and mh is they create a lot of heat.....
 

gotkush?

Well-Known Member
LEDs are a contentious subject on here... Most growers deem them an expensive mistake to make, and for the time being they don't seem to have anything like the power of HID lighting, but those that choose to use them will hear talk of nothing else, LEDs are the future, you see, and anyone who says otherwise is a stupid doo-doo head.
That's the way most of the arguments I've seen seem to go anyway, on, and on, and on, without actually reaching a conclusion we can all agree on.
I have some first hand experience growing with LEDs, my veg setup is based soley on 600 of 'em hanging from a frame above the plants, LEDs on wires so they hang down all around the plants, always about an inch or two from the leaves, which is the way it needs to be with that type of lighting. You see pictures of plants grown under these boards everone uses, and the top 2-3 inch of bud looks fine, then below that all the leaves will be curled over and dark, 'cos the light just don't travel that far. The downside with doing it my way is that I have 600 LEDs to adjust, individually, at least once a week, and more often than not every few days, to make sure they still point directly at the leaves. But I like being with my girls, so it's ok, although in all honesty, they grow no better than under 110w of flouro, just uses less power (something like 12w).
I wouldn't dream of using them for flowering though, not until the technology has developed to the point where they will be either more powerful, or cheaper (current top end LED rigs are $600+) than HPS. The way things are atm, they have a way to go yet.
Now we sit back and wait for the LED advocates to storm in and tell me I don't know shit...
lets see a pic of that in action
 

themaker

Active Member
I'm starting to gather info and research for my grow box but I am making it and it is only 31" tall. I want to make short and bushy plants so I still get that large yeild. I dont know which method would give me the best results, can anybody help?
Dimentions of box: 31"H 40"W 16"D
 

PineAppleXpress

Active Member
TheMAKER, i was investigating the same thing, there were some links dropped in the first page about SCROG and bonsai growing, tieing down and pruning is your best bet, better get that operation in by the end of the week if you want a hope at making 420 ! 8D
Naw fuck LED ...i like the idea and HairyBOB i am amazed at your patience and shit, its the future but i aint down with it right now.
Whats the cheapest way and where for me to get a HPS going? 600w the lowest? how cheap can i go here
ALL TEN SEEDS HAVE BROKE OUT OF SOIL!!!
 
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fureelz

Guest
no they make 70w,150w,250w,400w,600w,1000w and i'd say a hydroponics store or indoor garden center might carry lights, without paying for shipping. Most ballasts are over 35lbs. but look into the digital ones because they are a lot lighter and have better benefits as far as electricity consuption is concerned. you're going to need a bulb too, those are easily 70 for the cheap ones and up to 130 for the best ones, most people have reflectors, another 90+. got any pictures?
 

7th1der

Well-Known Member
no they make 70w,150w,250w,400w,600w,1000w and i'd say a hydroponics store or indoor garden center might carry lights, without paying for shipping. Most ballasts are over 35lbs. but look into the digital ones because they are a lot lighter and have better benefits as far as electricity consuption is concerned. you're going to need a bulb too, those are easily 70 for the cheap ones and up to 130 for the best ones, most people have reflectors, another 90+. got any pictures?

Well I only paid 17 bux for a 400w HPS bulb @ Lowes.
 
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fureelz

Guest
^ my fault, i was using 1000w bulb prices.. :D i have no idea, but i did know lowes and depot sell 400w hps bulbs...
 
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