how to make femonized Seeds

[cali-high]

hi guys


i was gonna try to make some femonized seeds. and i was wandering how to do that any help will be grateful.



peace

 

[mogie]

Submitted by: Lord Of The Strains
Contributed on: 02-20-2004

How can I get my plants to produce femenized seeds?

There are two methods that I am familiar with; Light-Poisoning, and Gibberellic Acid Treatment, both forcing female plants to produce male flowers and pollinate themselves. I have employed both methods, and both have yielded satisfactory results.

NOTE: YOU MUST START WITH FEMALE SEEDS/CLONES TO ENSURE THAT THERE WILL BE NO MALE CHROMOSOMES PRESENT.

LIGHT-POISONING METHOD: During the first three weeks of flowering, turn the lights on for an hour during the middle of the dark period. That is, 12 hrs. on, 5.5 hrs. off, 1 hr. on, 5.5 hrs. off, and repeat for the first 3 weeks, after which you may return to the normal 12/12 light cycle. This causes a plant to go "hermie" and pollinate itself, as well as any other female in the room. You must use plants originating only from female seeds or clones to ensure that no male chromosomes are present. The resulting seeds will produce NO MALE PLANTS!


GIBBERELLIC ACID TREATMENT: Select your favorite female plant and spray it from approx. two feet away (first under the leaves, then on top). This must be done 2 weeks before the plant is put into the flowering light cycle, thus the need to start with female seeds/clones. DO NOT SMOKE BUD TREATED WITH GIBBERELLIC ACID! Spray the plant again after 2 weeks have passed, and place it under 12/12 lighting. This plant will "hermie" and pollinate itself and other females present. It will not produce as much pollen as a pure male, thus less seeds. However, these seeds will be 100% female.


CONCLUSION:
Now, femenized seeds have also been known to produce hermaphrodites. This is just an evolutionary safety precaution to ensure the survival of the species in the event of environmental catastrophe. All seeds have the potential to hermie. Variables such as pH levels, lighting scenarios, fertilizer problems, etc. will also be factors in the outcome of the plant's sex. Just keep 'em healthy, and give them your tender, loving care, and you should be fine.

 

[dontknow]

does the plant need to be pollinated or does this stress the plant and cause it to seed

 

[wafflehouselover]

another way i think this is the best. Got this from somewhere else but totally forgot who wrote it. Enjoy.

Creating feminized seeds is an art, there are a few different methods of application. I have written about some of my different methods of making seeds in previous HIGH TIMES articles. I have use gibberellic acid, light stress, ph stress, and fertilizer stress to force my plants to make seeds. All these methods are harsh on the plants, and some like the gibbrellic acid, are not organic. In my search for cleaner more earth-friendly ways of working with the cannabis plant, I have found a new way to make feminized seeds.

Feminized seeds occur as a result of stress, other than genetics. All cannabis plants can and will make male flowers under stress. Certain strains like a higher PH, some like a lower one. Some like a lot of food, some like a lot less. There is quite a lot of variety in marijuana genetics, and you can’t treat every plant the same way.

It takes many harvests before you really get to know a particular strain. Just like getting to know human friends, it takes time. I have grown strains for a decade and am truly getting to know every nuance the different plants exhibit. I can recognize them from a distance. I must say that I get a lot of help from my friends, both in making seeds and learning new and better ways of working with this sacred plant.

I named this new method “Rodelization” after a friend who helped me realize and make use of this way of creating female seeds. After growing crop after crop of the same plant in the same conditions, I noticed that if I flowered the plants 10-14 days longer than usual, they would develop male “bananas”. A male banana is a very slight male flower on a female marijuana plant that is formed because of stress. Usually they do not let out any pollen early enough to make seeds, but they sometimes do. They are a built in safety factor so in case of sever conditions, the plant can make sure that the species is furthered.

To me a male banana is quite a beautiful thing. It has the potential of making all female seeds. Many growers out there have male banana phobia. They see one and have heart palpitations, they want to cut down the entire crop or at least take tweezers and pluck the little yellow emerging devices out. I call them “Emergency Devices” because they emerge at times of stress.

In the Rodelization method, the male banana is very valuable. After growing your female plant 10-14 days longer than usual, hang them up to dry, then carefully take them off the drying lines and inspect for bananas. Each and every banana should be removed and placed in a small bag labeled very accurately. These sealed bags can be placed in the fridge for one to two months and still remain potent.

For the second phase you need to already have a crop that’s already 2 ½ weeks into flowering. Take your sealed bag of pollen out of the fridge, and proceed to impregnate your new crop of females. To do this, you must first match the female plant and the pollen from the same strain in the previous crop. Shut down all the fans in the grow room. Then take a very fine paint brush, dip it in the bag of pollen, and paint it on the female flower. Do this to each different strain you have growing together. I have done it with ten different kinds in the same room with great success.

I use the lower flowers to make seeds, leaving the top colas seedless for smoking. This method takes time(two crops), but is completely organic and lets you have great quality smoke at the same time you make your female seeds. If you’re one of those growers that has never grown seeds for fear of not having something good to smoke, you will love this method.

You can also use this pollen to make new female crosses by cross pollinating. The older females with the bananas can be brought into the room with the younger, un-pollinated females when they are three weeks into flowering. Turn all of the circulation fans on high, and the little bits of pollen will proceed to make it around the room. Do this for several days. Six to seven weeks later you will have ripe 100% female seeds; not nearly as many as a male plant would make, but enough to start over somewhere else with the same genetics.

As a farmer who has been forced to move his genetics far away from where they started, I know very well the value of seeds. My friend Adam from THSeeds in Amsterdam has a motto that I love to borrow these days: “Drop seeds not bombs”.

Haven't tried it yet but it seems logical.

 

[Ethnobotanist]

does the plant need to be pollinated or does this stress the plant and cause it to seed

Dontknow, read that wonderfully informational post by the enchanting Mogie again; just look a little more carefully. If you're talking about forced feminization through light stress, it will take care of itself. There is no need to manually pollenate the buds. If you want to ensure a ton of seeds, this can be done, but for ease, I'd suggest just letting the plant do it. The light poisioning induces a hermaphroditic reaction in the plant. All this means is that the plant produces pollen sacks, which, because the plant is already a determined female, will contain no male chromosomes. It pollenates itself. So yes, pollenation is necessary, but it's not necessary for YOU to pollenate the plant. The method tricks the plant into "thinking" the climate is topsy turvy, and thus it takes steps to ensure that the species survives. Cannabis is really one of the most amazing plants found in nature.

~Ethno

 

[green_nobody]

so light poisoning works mogie? have to try this one gibberellic acid seems me still to risky even if it is listed at PAN Pesticides Database as quiet harmless...

 

[Sabud]

Mogie, correct me if im wrong but.
Isnt it a fact that people stated that, if you force your plants to become hermie and produce female seeds that yes they will be female when planted but will have similar traits as the mother so it will become hermie also , and its kids and its kids. Ive read this alot on here.

 

[wafflehouselover]

First off Yes you are 100% Correct. But this doesn't mean that it will turn hermie. It picks up the trait that if light poisoned again it will turn hermie faster then the parent. So if you can keep it at optimal condition then it will stay femenize. Plus the light poisoning thing is really harsh, that means your doing your whole crop. I rather do the Rodelization method, then you can pollinate what you want, who the hell wants a crop full of seeds.

 

[dontknow]

now i am about to buy 3 packs of seeds to hopefully last me a long time and im gonna pollinate them to make more seeds. so in my best interest would it be better to get feminized seeds and do the light poisoning then to get regular and let a male pollinate. im thinking of getting white widow, northern lights and maybe great white shark or big bang by greenhouse

 

[babygro]

hi guys

I was gonna try to make some femonized seeds. and i was wandering how to do that any help will be grateful.

You can't, so forget it and don't waste your time. All you'll manage to do is produce more hermaphrodites.

The first step in producing feminised seeds is to find a 100% stable female plant that doesn't have any hermaphroditic traits, found that plant yet?

Ever wondered why feminised seeds are so expensive? So much breeding involved, you think you can do that with your limited knowledge?

 

[babygro]

another way i think this is the best. Got this from somewhere else but totally forgot who wrote it. Enjoy.

Six to seven weeks later you will have ripe 100% female seeds;

Haven't tried it yet but it seems logical.

Sorry, but these are NOT 100% feminised seeds. These are seeds from a hermpaphrodite plant that shows hermaphroditic traits and will also produce hermphroditic offspring with the same hermaphroditic traits as the parent plant that will produce either a female plant or a hermaphrodite one.

What you won't get is a male, because the pollen came from a female plant it contains no male chromosomes.

But these are NOT feminised seeds.

 

[cali-high]

fem seeds are kindve not worth it. because i rather just breed a male and female.


the only reson anyone would want to make fem seeds is with a clone only strain

 

[Drizzle]

To me a male banana is quite a beautiful thing.

 

[NO GROW]

fem seeds are kindve not worth it. because i rather just breed a male and female.


the only reson anyone would want to make fem seeds is with a clone only strain

LMAO, Just curious, but why did you start this thread then.

 

[kindprincess]

hey guys, read up on dutch passions techniques.

i had to do a lot of looking for info on the subject, but i had a reversed male (basically a male hermie, but not quite)

SUPPOSEDLY the pollen from a reversed male will produce female seeds. note the SUPPOSEDLY part. the beans from this experiment are so far like any other normally bred plant. some males, some females. too soon to see if a herm taint, er, i mean trait came through....

kp

 

[wafflehouselover]

Sorry, but these are NOT 100% feminised seeds. These are seeds from a hermpaphrodite plant that shows hermaphroditic traits and will also produce hermphroditic offspring with the same hermaphroditic traits as the parent plant that will produce either a female plant or a hermaphrodite one.

What you won't get is a male, because the pollen came from a female plant it contains no male chromosomes.

But these are NOT feminised seeds.

Sorry to bust your bubbles but if you notice i didn't write that, it was quoted so don't tell me that pal. Go look for the author and you can go have a debate with him which i can assure you that he'll have alot more knowledge then you.

 

[videoman40]

You got it right dude. I think we've also proved previously that you can get a male.
Peace

Sorry to bust your bubbles but if you notice i didn't write that, it was quoted so don't tell me that pal. Go look for the author and you can go have a debate with him which i can assure you that he'll have alot more knowledge then you.

 

[babygro]

Sorry to bust your bubbles but if you notice i didn't write that, it was quoted so don't tell me that pal. .

I will tell you that 'pal' because by cutting and pasting information that is incorrect you're equally culpable of spreading incorrect information as the original author.

Go look for the author and you can go have a debate with him which i can assure you that he'll have alot more knowledge then you.

Firstly, I don't give a shit about who the original author is and he may well possess more knowledge than I do about this, neither do I profess to be an expert on 'breeding' but I know enough to know that the process he's describing will NOT give you 100% feminised seeds, so in that respect his knowledge doesn't appear to be much greater than the majority of people contributing to this thread - yourself included.

The process for producing 100% feminised seeds starts with the selection of a 100% female plant with recessive or absent hermaphrodite genes that cannot be turned into a hermaphrodite through environmental stress. Once that plant has been found from thousands of potentials the process starts with hormone treatment to produce some male flowers and the process continues as described by the original author. Note the turning of the plant into a hermaphrodite is a chemical one - not an environmentally induced one as hermaphrodites produced from environmental stress contain the hermaphrodite gene and will pass that down to all it's offspring.

It's the search and testing for this 100% true female plant that takes so long, that makes feminised seeds so expensive and one of the reasons not all strains are available in feminised versions.

If it was as easy as your 'author' described to produce 100% feminised seeds, why aren't they available in all varieties?

I'll let the readers of this thread decide who has the 'greater knowledge' in this.

 

[videoman40]

I was doing some more research on this subject, and according to
Ed Rosenthal, he states that hermies produced from envoronmental stress, such as irregular lighting timing, will only produce females.
Follow the link and you can read it for yourself, than you can believe it....or not.
Peace

 

[babygro]

You got it right dude. I think we've also proved previously that you can get a male.

Unfortunately he didn't get it right.

And neither have we 'proved' that males can be produced from 'feminised' seeds. You think it can be done, I've never agreed.

And I suppose Mogies cut and paste in this thread is ALSO wrong?

Submitted by: Lord Of The Strains
NOTE: YOU MUST START WITH FEMALE SEEDS/CLONES TO ENSURE THAT THERE WILL BE NO MALE CHROMOSOMES PRESENT.