Clone Straight to Flower Photo Period

dicyclesatina

dicyclesatina

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Hey, I'm new here and this is my first thread. I apologize if I didnt properly induct myself by posting in the "noobie" section..but anyways..
I saw an interesting technique used by the green house seed guys on one of their "Arjan Haze" sativa strains where they took a clone and threw her under a 12/12 cycle..no veg. The results were amazing. If this is possible to achieve by say a home grower (which I assume makes up the majority of this forum) it could greatly reduce the time and height it takes for a sativa to harvest.
My question(s) are:
Is this realistic for a home grower?
Is this (sativa) strain specific?
If so, why is it not a praised practice?

Here is the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvDfUY39fBc

Also check out their Arjan Haze #3 for all you sativa lovers.
 
recvryjst42day

recvryjst42day

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abudsmoker has a great post on perpetual harvest's, and he dips in his two cents, saying that is how he does the majority of his clones. It looks sweet. Check it out.
 
FilthyFletch

FilthyFletch

Mr I Can Do That For Half
This technique is an old and easy 1.Indoor growers use it in limited space grow areas.I use similar tech to early sex plants.I pull early clone from my big plants and label it corresponding to its original donor.I get the clone rooted about 3-5 day then toss it into 12/12 light.In 3-8 days it shows sex and if its a girl so was its original and now you have a confirmed female mom to yank your crops clones from
 
babygro

babygro

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dicyclesatina said:
Is this realistic for a home grower?
Is this (sativa) strain specific?
If so, why is it not a praised practice?
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A) Yes
B) No
C) It is standard practice - it's called SOG, Sea of Green.

Let's clear up a few 'potential' misunderstandings here.

Putting clones into flower as soon as they've rooted is standard practice for people who have access to clones - the majority do not - which is why this practice might be new to you and not widely practiced. You can ONLY do this with clones - not plants from seed - most people grow from seed and not many have the resources to keep 'mother' plants where clones come from.

Why can you do this with clones and not from seed? You can do it from seed, but you won't get as good results from seed as you do from clones, principle reason being, clones are a lot more 'hardy' than new seed seedlings and most importantly of all, clones take on the 'genetic' age of the mother plant they're taken from, seed plants don't.

Why is the age of the mother plant important?

Plants should be flowered when they reach sexual maturity, flowering seed plants before 6-8 weeks vegetative growth have passed means you're flowering them before they've reached sexual maturity. When you flower a clone, as I said, it takes on the age of the mother plant. So if the mother plant is 8 weeks old - so is the clone. So the clone is ALREADY at sexual maturity despite only being a couple of inches tall and READY To be put into flowering regardless of it's size.

The most important reason of all is because the older a plant is, the more Cannabinoids it produces. A 12 week old plant will produce more Cannabinoids than an 8 week old plant, and an 8 week old clone will produce more Cannabinoids than a plant grown and flowered from seed.

So, the bottom line is this - clones can be treated as sexually mature plants, and can be flowered almost as soon as the clones have rooted - with no loss of potency that you would get if you tried to flower a seed plant before it was sexually mature.
 
dicyclesatina

dicyclesatina

Active Member
babygro said:
Let's clear up a few 'potential' misunderstandings here.
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Thank you for that brilliant explanation. I never thought of a mature mother plant fulfilling the potential vegetative growth of the clone. I always thought of mothers as just donors, or maybe it was clones as tiny babies. Thanks again!
What a beautiful plant.
 
skunkushybrid

skunkushybrid

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Here's some pic's of mine. Not a single day of veg'. The three that are together are in a bubbler, the other 2 differing mixes of hydro medium. As you can see from the bubblers, 2 have taken off really well, the other has barely gotten as far as the hydro's.

These plants follow the indica line, much more than sativa. Maybe as much as 80%.

IMO it's best to give them at least 5 days veg' before placing them into flower. As it is quite hit and miss. I have actually done this before too, with exactly the same results. Some plants will do well and others won't, even when they are from the same mother.
 
nongreenthumb

nongreenthumb

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skunkushybrid said:
Here's some pic's of mine. Not a single day of veg'. The three that are together are in a bubbler, the other 2 differing mixes of hydro medium. As you can see from the bubblers, 2 have taken off really well, the other has barely gotten as far as the hydro's.

These plants follow the indica line, much more than sativa. Maybe as much as 80%.

IMO it's best to give them at least 5 days veg' before placing them into flower. As it is quite hit and miss. I have actually done this before too, with exactly the same results. Some plants will do well and others won't, even when they are from the same mother.
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Thats top notch skunk, short plants are the nuts.
 
cali-high

cali-high

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say i cloned and gave it 1 weeks veg then flowered under a 400w hps could i maybe pull and ozx off of it?


what would be a realistic yeild?
 
closet.cult

closet.cult

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thanks, skunk. and all others. i'm interested in this too but the zero veg days had me worried. i don't want to cut 20 clones and have only 10 survive. any tricks or tips?

BTW, how long do the roots get in DWC for these short plants? how big a root ball? also, if more then one plant in each DWC, how close can you get them to each other?
 
skunkushybrid

skunkushybrid

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closet.cult said:
thanks, skunk. and all others. i'm interested in this too but the zero veg days had me worried. i don't want to cut 20 clones and have only 10 survive. any tricks or tips?

BTW, how long do the roots get in DWC for these short plants? how big a root ball? also, if more then one plant in each DWC, how close can you get them to each other?
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I'll get back to this later with some specifics. Thing with the hit and miss is that they should all survive, it's just that some will grow quite big, maybe 12-18", others won't get past 6", and half of that will be stem. lol. I wouldn't bother, it's not a good idea, far better to give them some veg' time... even if it's only 5 days. I'll take a pic' of the rootball later along with some other specifics.

watch this space.:mrgreen:
 
nongreenthumb

nongreenthumb

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I veg'd for a week after the roots had shown underneath the cube, my plants reach around 1ft tall, its bud from top to bottom and i cut 3 down yesterday and they weighed 10 oz wet so i would think an oz per plant is a reasonable estimate.
 
cali-high

cali-high

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did you do soil


im gonna do the aeroponic cloner then transplant to soil then water and dont water again for like 3 days then veg for a week then flower.


im gonna be flowering under a 400w hps how much do you think i will yeild????


any help will be great
 
nongreenthumb

nongreenthumb

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They were rooted in rockwool in a propagator, they were fairly small at the time.

I veg'd for 1 week under 12 hours 250w cfl and 12 hours hps. Obviously at a relevant distance.

When they were put into flowering they went underneath 600w hps.
 
cali-high

cali-high

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thanks for letting me know :0


i plan to veg under 4ft 2 bulb floro maybe 2 of em. and then after a week or longer put into the flowering room

i will be happy with half an oz per plant if i get that...but i have a high yeilding strain so i expsect and aleast a 1/2 oz
 
skunkushybrid

skunkushybrid

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Both these pic's are of clones placed straight into flower. They are nearly 5 weeks in. They are also from the same mom and sharing a container. The first clone is around two inches high (bud length), and in the second pic' you can just see the root ball floating off to the left.

The third pic, the plant is around 10-12 inches high (bud height).

Two clones, from the exact same mom, given the same feed, in the same container. one takes off one doesn't. This is what I meant by hit and miss.
 

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