Why America Must Prosecute War Crimes

[CrackerJax]

No they did not ... that was if Saddam had WMD ... and he didn't ... plus they were suppose to go back to the UN for approval and they didn't ... so they broke international law ... and started an illegal war ... it's not my problem that you can comprehend the obvious.
Rice ...


That was one of her many lies ... and I have lots more example in my war crime threads ... you know ... the one that list the war crimes of the bush regime ... that you have been unable to dispute ... remember those threads?

Saddam had WMD's .. he used them on the Kurds.... they don't count I suppose...tell their families that one. Also, before Saddam was hung, he admitted he was going to use the "Oil for Food" program PROFITS to reconstitute his WMD program. He just didn't think we would attack him. A grave mistake on his part....literally.

National Survival tip #42: Never do what your enemies expect.

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[goran]

Say hello to your cosuion sun,shame that he miss our house- I will send him banane/+ some extra for your friend Bush

 

[ilkhan]

Lets not forget were he got those chemical weapons, hmm. That's right we gave him the weapons to fight Iran. Can you say Blow-back??? Stop funding other country's war machines!!! Stop propping up dictators and arming them to the teeth to stabilize a region.

Peace, friendship and honest trade without Malice towards all nations, Alliances with none.

 

[CrackerJax]

Funding other countries military desires.... yah NO ONE else does that.....I guess you folks don't remember the cold war? You're looking at the leftovers from someone else's meal. Crack a book sometime and be amazed.


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[natrone23]

How do we know that Saddam had chemical weapons?............................because we have the receipt

 

[GrowRebel]

Saddam had WMD's .. he used them on the Kurds.... they don't count I suppose...tell their families that one. Also, before Saddam was hung, he admitted he was going to use the "Oil for Food" program PROFITS to reconstitute his WMD program. He just didn't think we would attack him. A grave mistake on his part....literally.

National Survival tip #42: Never do what your enemies expect.

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HAD ... is the key word ... that was back in the 90's ... he had NO WEAPONS when the US illegally invaded in March 2003... none ... that why the UN wouldn't agree to an attack ... so the war was and is illegal... and Hussein didn't confess to anything when he was hung ... that just another figment of your bushwhacked imagination.

 

[CrackerJax]

How do we know that Saddam had chemical weapons?............................because we have the receipt

We know because he used them..... you should peruse the pics and vid's of his work. Would make Hitler proud. Yah, why bother with Saddam, he's not that bad of a guy. The people sure didn't agree with you once they got their hands on him...... slipknotted quick...no ceremony.... I think that says it all. They are very very glad we did what we did. Who knows how many would be dead today if we hadn't intervened.

You can bet your booty (I have no idea what that really means), that if Saddam was still around and in charge, and Iran was seeking nukes (they already have them), Saddam would acquire them as well. That's a two headed serpent over there in Persia.

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[ResistanceIsFertile]

All government do this. They get the nastiest stuff they can and use it on who ever they can get away with. If you want exposed to chemical weapons, attend a demonstration against the 18 year old Iraq war and uniformed, credentialed terrorists called "cops" may oblige.
Musharraf and Sharon were behaving the same way, and already had nukes, but they were treated differently for some reason?

 

[CrackerJax]

Pakistan was not given nukes by the US. That impetus was because India had them...and it is worrisome since Paki is ready to collapse. You can't put the genie back in the bottle.
Sharon got them as well, but considering the appalling cowardly attacks upon their citizens, they have shown remarkable restraint. Israel is a grown up country.

 

[ResistanceIsFertile]

Since they built the apartheid wall, the Israelis have been the ones doing all the attacking, although I do have to admit, I have no idea how I'd react to what amounts to a big estes model rocket landing in a vacant lot 70 miles from house.
Sharon was instrumental in making Hamas what is today. When he was deputy housing minister, he funded them like crazy, because the religious groups were considered less of a threat than the lefty-groups like the PLO, like the US did with the muj.

 

[CrackerJax]

I guess the Chinese were crazy to build their wall after repeated invasions too huh.....One need only look as far as the Arab states (excepting Egypt) to find the source of misery to the Palestinians.


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[ResistanceIsFertile]

I guess the Chinese were crazy to build their wall after repeated invasions too huh.....One need only look as far as the Arab states (excepting Egypt) to find the source of misery to the Palestinians.


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The Israelis would be in big trouble if the Palestinians had a Genghis Khan and as much mechanized infantry with incredibly skilled operators. Not a accurate comparison, but certainly a fun one. Walling people in is a little different than walling them out. People who build was around other people and blow them up are assholes. But any nation-state that can get away with it will do it.

Money and monotheism make people crazy. I guess the neighboring theocratic heavies are a little worse than secular elected ones like Egypt and Israel, but not by much. The IDF was a little more effective with their captive audience in Gaza than the most recent Lebanon campaign.
It's just me being oppositional. I'd complain about any country that the US praises and funds to that degree.
Just watched the first part of three part BBC doc comparing the rise of political Islam with the parallel rise of the neo-con ideology and they are perfect for each other, but the rest of us have to live with it or in spite of it.

 

[CrackerJax]

The wall was not to encapsulate them but to deter terrorism form freely flowing in.... Since the Arabs refused to absorb the Palestinians....they are left to be a pawn of destruction or as a foil against Israel. It is within the power of the neighboring countries to end all of this. They choose not to. the Palestinians are the sacrificial lambs for the Arabs.

By the way, after the 1967 war all Jews were displaced (kicked out) from Arab lands ...no trouble there for you? Just checking...


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[ResistanceIsFertile]

Sorry, I don't have a dog in this fight. All named parties are guilty. I'm not some campus radical who blindly defends every national liberation struggle, but I can't see State violence as being any more legitimate. Nor am I some Protocols quoting, Loose Change, (the love of my life being Jewish, that and in my experience the WASPs run everything). I don't think the Israelis order the US around, when it's pretty obvious the US calls the shots, the same as other unsavory regional powers use the Palestinians.
It's just a matter of perspective. To me, who has had the privilege of never worrying about either (Russian ICBMs as a child are different), cruise missiles and suicide bombs are both terrorism to me. To others the terrorist is the one without the uniform (unless they're undercover). I can't pretend to have any clue as to what it must be like to live like that.
Why should the Arab countries have to absorb the Palestinians (religious obligations aside)? Of course it's a shame that they were expelled after the '67 war, but it was no better when they kicked people out. I have dealt with low-level eviction on more than one occasion, I know it's a drag. I feel that it's possible to pity the Palestinian people without hating the Israeli people, but I understand that some feel it's impossible. I'm none too fond of what passes for leadership on either side. The monotheistic goatherd death-cults have generally been nothing but a pain in the ass.

 

[2headedchan]

if you want to prosicute bush its never happend and will not ever. if you dems try it will be the last dem pres you will ever have. cant change the past dude move forward so weres my commi tarp check bitch???????????????

 

[natrone23]

if you want to prosicute bush its never happend and will not ever. if you dems try it will be the last dem pres you will ever have. cant change the past dude move forward so weres my commi tarp check bitch???????????????

Hey I read that you were in the navy and in iraq and afghanistan, what was your job over there?

 

[CrackerJax]

Sorry, I don't have a dog in this fight. All named parties are guilty. I'm not some campus radical who blindly defends every national liberation struggle, but I can't see State violence as being any more legitimate. Nor am I some Protocols quoting, Loose Change, (the love of my life being Jewish, that and in my experience the WASPs run everything). I don't think the Israelis order the US around, when it's pretty obvious the US calls the shots, the same as other unsavory regional powers use the Palestinians.
It's just a matter of perspective. To me, who has had the privilege of never worrying about either (Russian ICBMs as a child are different), cruise missiles and suicide bombs are both terrorism to me. To others the terrorist is the one without the uniform (unless they're undercover). I can't pretend to have any clue as to what it must be like to live like that.
Why should the Arab countries have to absorb the Palestinians (religious obligations aside)? Of course it's a shame that they were expelled after the '67 war, but it was no better when they kicked people out. I have dealt with low-level eviction on more than one occasion, I know it's a drag. I feel that it's possible to pity the Palestinian people without hating the Israeli people, but I understand that some feel it's impossible. I'm none too fond of what passes for leadership on either side. The monotheistic goatherd death-cults have generally been nothing but a pain in the ass.

the Arabs don't have to absorb the Palestinians, but i used that as an example, since the Jews were displaced by the Arab nations and for the most part emigrated to Israel.... properties stolen to boot.

One must ask oneself after all of the concessions Israel has made, not ONE refugee camp has been dismantled. Why? Because the Arabs don't want normality to be achieved there. It's their only leverage. Why do the Palestinians die? because it is in the interests of the Arab states (excepting Egypt).


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[2headedchan]

navy operator got it good
One must ask oneself after all of the concessions Israel has made, not ONE refugee camp has been dismantled. Why? Because the Arabs don't want normality to be achieved there. It's their only leverage. Why do the Palestinians die? because it is in the interests of the Arab states (excepting Egypt).


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[ResistanceIsFertile]

I thought "God's Wrath" or some such did the displacing, not Arabs. I guess a claim to land based on religious mythology is no kookier than a claim to land based on nationalist mythology. That's one serious statute of limitations.
I feel better about the US occupation of Iraq, since civilization likely started out in that part of the world, and therefore have a right of return, just like the colonial claim to South Africa, since humans likely originated in Africa. Can the Mongols have Asia back?
Of course military dictatorships like Israel and Egypt often have to make concessions in the name of stability that their theocratic neighbors don't. Especially client states of superpowers. The notion that Israel doesn't destabilize her neighbors (as if they needed the help) is interesting. That's basic foreign policy.

 

[2headedchan]

navy operator its all money thear locals hide weopens we pay them they show us then we you know