BCtrippin
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..so you support a centralized banking system?Jefferson couldn't stand Hamilton who was a big backer of a central banking system (thank G*D he prevailed)...hence the quote. Gotta look at the context.
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CrackerJax
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How can one not... and then live off it's benefits without being a complete hypocrite? I'm supposing you have a bank account and such?
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BCtrippin
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Actually no i dont have any bank accounts, I do use money mart to cash checks. And what benefits??? Please explain the benefits of a central bank?How can one not... and then live off it's benefits without being a complete hypocrite? I'm supposing you have a bank account and such?
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I use money because I dont have any other choice. I cant say I support it as a good idea. You do realize all money is debt? When a bank needs money it takes a loan from the central bank with interest. When the bank receives the loan they are required to keep %10 of that loan, the other %90 gets loaned out to other banks with interest. Another bank recieves money and do the same thing. They keep %10 and loan the rest out with interest.
If YOU go put $100, 000 in the bank, they are required to keep %10 and they can loan out the rest with interest.
The value of money is equal to the faith the citizens have in that money. If we lose faith in our currency and realize its just paper backed by nothing but dept then its useless.
Its a giant perpetual Joke. And the Banksters win. All money is dept. With interest its literally impossible for the government or its citizens to pay off all their debt. Its a fucking joke. If all debt and interest was fully paid off every penny in circulation would be sitting in the central bank. Do you see the problem here?
Countries should be able to print their own currency without interest and end the perpetual cycle of BS. All money used to be backed by real gold or pecious metals, not anymore...not since central banks took over. It was a good system, precious metals hold their value world wide.
Its a big fucking joke and only the Central banks are laughing. The Rockefeller, Rothchields, and Morgans and other elitist families control all the money and no one seems to care.
Don't you know the golden rule? He who has the gold makes the rules.
CrackerJax
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It is the central banking system which has built the modern world you live in. No other system has ever created more benefits to society in such a short time. No one has come up with a better idea either, or certainly it would be employed. Most wealthy folks get there by earning it.... overwhelmingly. The wonderful thing is anyone with a modicum of intelligence and patience can amass a great wealth in the US, no matter how much you start out with... and I do mean anybody. Truly a land of opportunity...at least it used to be... it's being dismantled as I type this.... you may get your wish yet. I hope you have a food garden planted. 
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BCtrippin
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It wasnt the banks that created technology. We did. If the central banks were not there Im sure people would have stepped up and figured something else out. Maybe we wouldnt even be in the situation we are in right now.It is the central banking system which has built the modern world you live in. No other system has ever created more benefits to society in such a short time. No one has come up with a better idea either, or certainly it would be employed. Most wealthy folks get there by earning it.... overwhelmingly. The wonderful thing is anyone with a modicum of intelligence and patience can amass a great wealth in the US, no matter how much you start out with... and I do mean anybody. Truly a land of opportunity...at least it used to be... it's being dismantled as I type this.... you may get your wish yet. I hope you have a food garden planted.
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Its not like society was failing before central banks. You cant say a central banking system is the reason for the modern world we have today. Its Only responsible for debt and political BS. Central banks fund Both sides of the wars. There only goal is to profit. You take Central Banksters out of the equation for the last 50 years and I bet there would be no WW2, no Vietnam, None of it. Both sides of Every war has been funded by the central banking system and they reap massive profits, Record profits during war times.
I never said anyone cant get wealthy. I can make money without a bank, Without the bank hitting me with fees I actually have more money. Its critical thinking and common sense that will get you ahead in life, Not conforming to societies way of thinking.
They tell you to go to school, go to university, take out thousands of dollars in loans, Then try to get a job..
BCtrippin
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We're nearing the end of a 50 year Pyramid Scam run by the central Banks. And People wonder why the economy is so fucked...
Im sure its just another way to push through the North American Union. Once we are all spending "Ameros" we will be one step closer to One World Government. As soon as the North American Union happens the Asian union happen right away, then it will be the North American union, European union, African union and the Asian pacific Union.
4 world currencies, 4 world governments. 1 small step away from New World Order. This shit used to sound pretty stupid to me, conspiracy theory BS and all that....but lately with the economy and the push for the North American Union Im not so sure its BS anymore.....
Im sure its just another way to push through the North American Union. Once we are all spending "Ameros" we will be one step closer to One World Government. As soon as the North American Union happens the Asian union happen right away, then it will be the North American union, European union, African union and the Asian pacific Union.
4 world currencies, 4 world governments. 1 small step away from New World Order. This shit used to sound pretty stupid to me, conspiracy theory BS and all that....but lately with the economy and the push for the North American Union Im not so sure its BS anymore.....
CrackerJax
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The banking system is what allows huge sums of capital to be gathered and funneled to people who MAKE things happen. I.E. .. technology. You can slip in another monetary system, but the results would be mind numbingly miserable compared to a central bank. Of course democracy would be dead in the water as well. I'm trying to see an upside to it, but nope...It wasnt the banks that created technology. We did. If the central banks were not there Im sure people would have stepped up and figured something else out. Maybe we wouldnt even be in the situation we are in right now.
Its not like society was failing before central banks. You cant say a central banking system is the reason for the modern world we have today. Its Only responsible for debt and political BS. Central banks fund Both sides of the wars. There only goal is to profit. You take Central Banksters out of the equation for the last 50 years and I bet there would be no WW2, no Vietnam, None of it. Both sides of Every war has been funded by the central banking system and they reap massive profits, Record profits during war times.
I never said anyone cant get wealthy. I can make money without a bank, Without the bank hitting me with fees I actually have more money. Its critical thinking and common sense that will get you ahead in life, Not conforming to societies way of thinking.
They tell you to go to school, go to university, take out thousands of dollars in loans, Then try to get a job..
You say it is critical thinking that gets you ahead... I suggest you reexamine your info. Go live in Iran if you want the rush of a non central banking system...of course you won't have a standard of living...but your position dictates you are willing to give that up...
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BCtrippin
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How would not having a central bank lower our standards of living?The banking system is what allows huge sums of capital to be gathered and funneled to people who MAKE things happen. I.E. .. technology. You can slip in another monetary system, but the results would be mind numbingly miserable compared to a central bank. Of course democracy would be dead in the water as well. I'm trying to see an upside to it, but nope...
You say it is critical thinking that gets you ahead... I suggest you reexamine your info. Go live in Iran if you want the rush of a non central banking system...of course you won't have a standard of living...but your position dictates you are willing to give that up...
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You know that Giant national debt clock in the USA thats running at Tens of Trillions of dollars? Who do you think that debt is owed too?? CENTRAL BANKS
I strongly disagree that central banks make things possible. Do you really believe that Central Banks have enabled the human race to come up with new technology????
If it wasn't for massive profit there would be NO central banks. Period.
I dont entirely have a problem with the system, but when banks are taking loans to pay off the interest from Other Loans then Thats a fucking problem. Central banks should NOT be able to print money as debt.
Central banks print money out of this air, and loan it out with INTEREST....If they are making money and not backing it with anything of value they should Not be able to charge interest on that money. Its a fucking joke and the Banksters win.
When this 50 year pyramid scheme ends whos gonna pay the bill? Not the banks....Its the people who are in massive debt and losing homes right now....
BCtrippin
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I'm curious Have you ever actually been to Iran? What makes you believe they have no standards of living? The news?
Do you just go by what you hear on the news media thats all owned by.....wait a second....the same Banksters who run the central banks.
Im not saying Iran doesnt have problems, but before the war they were doing just fine compared to now, and I wouldnt have had a problem living in Iran before the current war.
The problem with the News is they Only show you all the bad parts of Iran, theres never going to be a program on the news showing All the good parts of Iran, like the people, or the culture.
I could take a video camera and go around the USA and take all kinds of video of dirty slums, failing infrastructure, people in rags living in the streets, I could make it look Worse than Iran right here in the USA. Theres places like that in every country.
Propaganda has always been a huge part of war, and it still is despite the fact that everyone is oblivious to it because its so subtle compared to the fliers that used to be dropped out of planes.
Im not saying your wrong, central banks have their "benefits" I guess, but the way they are currently being run is a Huge problem. When it fails, which seems to be happening faster every day, I just hope it's not too late for people to step up and try to fix a failing system.
Why does getting rid of central banks have to mean giving up standards of living? Are you really that convinced that we NEED government and central banks to baby us?
We, as a human race, have the technology to feed the Entire planet, provide power for the entire planet, and free the entire planet of a debt based system. We could very well live in Abundance without debt.
For an "upper class" to exist, so must a "lower class"
Is it not fair that anyone on this earth should be able to elevate themselves from the "lower class"? But we cant, because if everyone did then the people that are Rich and Powerfull wouldnt be "elite" anymore, they would just be regular people and thats not good enough for them.
As a human race people are getting lazy and want to do less for themselves. The government will continue to exploit this and keep us in debt till we stand up as a race and put an end to Fascism in the government.
jgreenbeast
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shocking to know what they waste, but then they don't care, its our money enhow
CrackerJax
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Okay lets see, Iran's standard of living is 72nd in the world...... pretty shabby.
But let's not just rely on cold data. The very fact that beheadings are a COMMON occurrence tells me all I need to know about visiting Iran.
Although it might be comforting to know that if I do visit that country and I make a declaration that a woman was making indiscreet "LOOKS" at me, I can get her head cut off. Think of the photo's I'd have to show the neighbors. See that headless woman? She looked at me funny. HAH!!! My honor restored...whew! (they actually believe that...think about that)
Yah, what do I know,...
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But let's not just rely on cold data. The very fact that beheadings are a COMMON occurrence tells me all I need to know about visiting Iran.
Although it might be comforting to know that if I do visit that country and I make a declaration that a woman was making indiscreet "LOOKS" at me, I can get her head cut off. Think of the photo's I'd have to show the neighbors. See that headless woman? She looked at me funny. HAH!!! My honor restored...whew! (they actually believe that...think about that)
Yah, what do I know,...
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BCtrippin
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I think Iran got brought up when you implied that not having a central banking system in USA/Canada would lower our standards of living to that of Iran. Or you recommended I should go live in Iran if I wanted to know what it was like to not have a central banking system..Okay lets see, Iran's standard of living is 72nd in the world...... pretty shabby.
But let's not just rely on cold data. The very fact that beheadings are a COMMON occurrence tells me all I need to know about visiting Iran.
Although it might be comforting to know that if I do visit that country and I make a declaration that a woman was making indiscreet "LOOKS" at me, I can get her head cut off. Think of the photo's I'd have to show the neighbors. See that headless woman? She looked at me funny. HAH!!! My honor restored...whew! (they actually believe that...think about that)
Yah, what do I know,...
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Anyways, Facts are great... but perspective is they key to perception. I still dont think not having a central banking system would make our countries anything like Iran...but maybe you could point out some more stats and facts that Im overlooking?
CrackerJax
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Well, it is you who stated that great posit of the 21st century.... perspective is the key to perception. That's a keeper....
Let me state it another way. The central banking system has provided all those who utilize it a DISTINCT advantage over those who do not. Ergo, it is better.
Now, if you have a better idea, let's hear it. Believe me, if you came up with a system that was superior, people would listen. You would be on every economic rag's cover!! Let's hear it.
Honestly, I don't think you understand what it is you are railing against. And unless you live completely debt free and pay cash for all of your personal effects...it's a bit hypocritical to bite the hand which has fed, clothed and sheltered you.
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That's a keeper....Let me state it another way. The central banking system has provided all those who utilize it a DISTINCT advantage over those who do not. Ergo, it is better.
Now, if you have a better idea, let's hear it. Believe me, if you came up with a system that was superior, people would listen. You would be on every economic rag's cover!! Let's hear it.
Honestly, I don't think you understand what it is you are railing against. And unless you live completely debt free and pay cash for all of your personal effects...it's a bit hypocritical to bite the hand which has fed, clothed and sheltered you.
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BCtrippin
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Well, it is you who stated that great posit of the 21st century.... perspective is the key to perception.
Let me state it another way. The central banking system has provided all those who utilize it a DISTINCT advantage over those who do not. Ergo, it is better.
Now, if you have a better idea, let's hear it. Believe me, if you came up with a system that was superior, people would listen. You would be on every economic rag's cover!! Let's hear it.
Honestly, I don't think you understand what it is you are railing against. And unless you live completely debt free and pay cash for all of your personal effects...it's a bit hypocritical to bite the hand which has fed, clothed and sheltered you.
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Find where I said a central banking system is Bad. Please. What I did say is that the way its run is a huge problem. They print money, loan that money, and charge interest on that money. So right off the press, after its loaned out the interest being charged isnt even in circulation, there isnt enough money to pay the debt.
I didnt say it was bad, I said it has problems, and I said that if we didnt have it we would Not be a 3rd world country right now.
Im not claiming to have a better system, I just think there's massive problems with the way its being run. The simplest thing to do would to be either stop prining money in debt, or back money with precious metals. Guess who the last guy to try something like this was? JFK...and he got assassinated.
Perspective is the key to perception. Think what you want, its true.
If there was a remote village that never had contact with the outside world, then one day someone shows up with all this technology, they could claim to be from the future, they could claim to be aliens. They could say whatever they want to the remote village and the villagers would never know the difference because they havent seen the bigger picture. (ie, the modern world)
Ever think back to when you were 12 years old, You probably thought the world was a much different place.
CrackerJax
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Ahhh so it is a surprise to you that the world lives on debt?
Of course when I was 12 I thought the world was a different place, just as the world was a different place when I was 6 and so on. I grew up and the realities unfold....now it is what you do with that changing PERSPECTIVE that counts. I entered the adult world and ADAPTED to the REAL rules of man. Quite successfully I might add. That is the best one can do unless something better comes along, no?
I'll be one of the very first people to endorse a better system. Just let me at it Vrooom!!
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Of course when I was 12 I thought the world was a different place, just as the world was a different place when I was 6 and so on. I grew up and the realities unfold....now it is what you do with that changing PERSPECTIVE that counts. I entered the adult world and ADAPTED to the REAL rules of man. Quite successfully I might add. That is the best one can do unless something better comes along, no?
I'll be one of the very first people to endorse a better system. Just let me at it
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BCtrippin
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Surprised? No. I think you make some rather large assumptions.Ahhh so it is a surprise to you that the world lives on debt?
I think JFK had the right idea, backing our currency with Precious metals so when/if the economy crashes the paper you have in your wallet isnt worthless.
Money used to be exchangeable for Gold, not anymore, now its just "Legal Tender"
When JFK tried to set up the Greenback System he got assassinated. I think that was Great idea, its too bad it never got fully implemented.
Like I said in my previous posts, the central banking system has Problems. Its as simple as backing currency with precious metals like they used to. Its nothing new, its a really old idea that works fucking great, but the banksters dont make as much profit so it won't happen.
Please, since you seem to have so much faith in our current system, what is wrong with backing currency with precious metals?
As far as I can see, the Only difference is that the big time bankers make a bit less profit every year. Not that I give a fuck if some rich fuck can't buy an extra Mercedes or a new house that year.
CrackerJax
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While I certainly do agree that we should tether the dollar to gold to escape having a fiat currency, I don't think JFK was assassinated for his push towards it since we were on the gold tether at the time of his presidency. It was NIXON who took us off of gold, years later.
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BCtrippin
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I dont think anyone really knows why he got assassinated, But he Did, so someone didnt like what he was doing. And same with Lincoln. He tried to take on the big banks, and he got assassinated too.While I certainly do agree that we should tether the dollar to gold to escape having a fiat currency, I don't think JFK was assassinated for his push towards it since we were on the gold tether at the time of his presidency. It was NIXON who took us off of gold, years later.
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I cant say if its directly related, but 2 presidents that tried to take profits from big banks have been Assassinated. I dont want to get into CT crap, but if anyone had the power, Or a reason to assassinate Presidents its going to be the banksters.
CrackerJax
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JFK was hit by the mob. He reneged on Cuba where the mob ended up losing many millions of dollars...1963 dollars mind you. Between that and JFK allowing Bobby to go after the mob sealed his fate.
Oswald was A trigger man but JACK RUBY...now there was a stone cold killer. He never talked.....balls of steel he had.
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Oswald was A trigger man but JACK RUBY...now there was a stone cold killer. He never talked.....balls of steel he had.
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Do You guys know that all this money that they are "bailing out" banks and whatnot is enough to give every American over 26 THOUSAND dollars!
"The U.S. government financial bailout effort has reached a mind-blowing $8.5 trillion. But where did all this money go, exactly?
A chart at SFGate.com tracks the bailout expenditures, revealing some disturbing facts about the failure of the bailout to solve the lending liquidity problem. For example, the Federal Reserve has already created and dumped $2.1 trillion into the money supply, and it has pledged to create another $3.4 trillion.
And yet, despite these astonishing numbers, the liquidity crisis remains as bad as ever. Even worse, the very idea of rescuing bad debt by creating yet more bad debt (which is what the Fed is doing) seems outrageously stupid to begin with. The Fed is only setting us up for even greater financial problems down the road.
The SFGate.com chart has one major mistake, however: It implies the Federal Reserve is part of the U.S. government. As the better-informed readers across the internet already know, the Fed is, in fact, a private bank owned by a handful of wealthy individuals who aren’t even Americans! It is not a department of the U.S. government, nor does it answer to U.S. law.
It is, in a very real sense, a money supply dictatorship that has stolen trillions of dollars worth of purchasing power from U.S. taxpayers in order to bail out the rich bankster friends of Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson.
There is no accounting of these funds, and Congress never approved the $5.5 trillion pledged by the Fed, which ultimately comes out of the pockets of taxpayers and consumers due to the money supply inflationary effects.
That’s why there’s a growing backlash against the Federal Reserve. Websites such as www.EndTheFed.us are cropping up on the ‘net, and YouTube videos are revealing the shocking truth about the Fed: www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qsJjTaekA8
The Fed is literally destroying the U.S. money supply; destroying your savings and destroying your economic future. Stopping the Fed’s runaway creation of fiat money should be the No. 1 priority of U.S. citizens, but for reasons I’ve described elsewhere, most U.S. citizens are too brainwashed, dumbed-down and gullible to believe they’re being royally ripped off by an unprecedented fraud masterminded by a privately-owned bank called the Federal Reserve."
~PEACE~
