Vinegar killed my seedlings.

mannurse801

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Just a comment about vinegar... Most of the stuff you get in the store is just as "unorganic" as the ph down stuff you buy. All they are is acid, which really is fairly organic, I mean, it is just the seperation or positive and negative e bonds within a compound when disolved in water. The higher the concentration and the polarity of these ions is what determines the ph of a substance. Sulphuric acid is obtained in the same war Asorbic acid is, just different compounds are used...
Just curiou, if you were to grow organic, would you consider the ph up and down as inorganic and why?
 

Lil Czr

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I think that people go a little overboard with the whole organic thing. I just keep it as chemical free as possible to get the best tasting/smoking bud I can. I mean, I like growing organically and all, but I don't loose any sleep over every little ingredient that goes into my ladies.
 

mannurse801

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Yup, I mean, acid is acid. If you are using a water with a natural ph of 6.7, there is a small concentration of some sort of acid in there, regardless. If you use rain water, there is a higher concertration of industrial particulate, regardless of where you live. If you use RO water, the process used to RO the water contain many inorganic compounds. No matter what we do, organic can only be organic so much in today's world...
 

Johnnyorganic

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Just a comment about vinegar... Most of the stuff you get in the store is just as "unorganic" as the ph down stuff you buy. All they are is acid, which really is fairly organic, I mean, it is just the seperation or positive and negative e bonds within a compound when disolved in water. The higher the concentration and the polarity of these ions is what determines the ph of a substance. Sulphuric acid is obtained in the same war Asorbic acid is, just different compounds are used...
Just curiou, if you were to grow organic, would you consider the ph up and down as inorganic and why?
It's not that. PH is very important, but not vitally important to soil growers as it is to hydro growers. Soil growers have much more flexibility when it comes to PH. As Lil Czr said, "If you're growing soil, don't over think the PH thing."

However, the organic approach is based on providing the plant with natural, properly balanced essentials so that constant monitoring of variables such as PH are not warranted. Such an approach allows the plant to indicate to you what it needs.

Using rainwater is an organic approach because rainwater is free of additives and is essentially PH neutral. The soil we use is mixed to be well within normal PH tolerance for cannabis. When fertilizing, you use properly balanced organic fertilizers which will not upset the PH balance of the soil.

If all the essentials are in place, PH should not be a serious concern to the organic grower. And again, in soil there is a wide enough margin of error that we can allow the plant to tell us if there is a problem.
I think that people go a little overboard with the whole organic thing. I just keep it as chemical free as possible to get the best tasting/smoking bud I can. I mean, I like growing organically and all, but I don't loose any sleep over every little ingredient that goes into my ladies.
That's the point: Better tasting weed. No need to rinse an organically grown plant due to over-feeding. I firmly believe we can help nature along, but we cannot improve on it.
Yup, I mean, acid is acid. If you are using a water with a natural ph of 6.7, there is a small concentration of some sort of acid in there, regardless. If you use rain water, there is a higher concertration of industrial particulate, regardless of where you live. If you use RO water, the process used to RO the water contain many inorganic compounds. No matter what we do, organic can only be organic so much in today's world...
True, we will never be able to completely eliminate chemicals in our modern world. Any organic farmer can tell you that. There has simply been too much petro-chemical fertilizer dumped into our topsoil, thus our groundwater, in the last century. But I wholeheartedly believe the more natural a grow, the better.
 
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