!! finaly found my answer about hermd seeds !!

taffo143

New Member
hi all, right heres whats been going on , i had 5seeds from a bigbud plant that went herm in the lsat fiew days of flower.

i wanted to know if i could plant the seeds and possibly grow healthy females!! the answer to this took me 3days to get!!

i planted the 5 seeds and 4 have come up nicely and are doing well, because i wasnt sure if i was wasting my time with thses seeds i tired everywere to find out if theyd go male , female or worstly turn hermie.

well this is what i believe NOW after extensive hrs reaserch and still not 100% sure?!!!! lol

if the plant the seed came from was a healthy female to beggin with it would av been xx, therefore if it decides to polinate itself there was no Y to beggin with so the hermd seeds will only be XX,

the only thing u have to be carefull with is how the plant went herm in the first place to produce the seed???

i.e if it was light stressed the seed it produces may be sensative to light stress and also tern hermi!!!!!??

so wot ive been told is u can grow a herm seed from a fem plant and it will tern out fem but will also have the herm trait but if u take realy good care of ur plant and dont stress her theres everychance that u will have a succesfull outcome!!!

i may be wrong but this is the best i came up with after 3days reaserch, if any1 wishes to comment or add input ur all more than welcome to add wot uve heard , read or preferably experienced first hand!!

i know when i finnish my gro with these hermd seeds im sure gunna open a post about growing hermd seeds to help others as its wrecked my brain trying to find out if its worth growing hermd seeds or not, thanx every1 and i look forward to reading any replies, peace out....:bigjoint:
 

Jester88

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yeah but what if the plant wasnt xx to begin with but the y just being really recessive.

what your talking is creating fem seeds from fem plants that have turned hemie thrue means of stress or chemically... hardly a natural hermie which can be really male or really femail. the key is singling the true xx plants out these are the ones that wont get any bannanas easily the easiest way is rhodelisation let the buds over ripen and get bannanas use the pollenin those with another true xx to get reall fem seeds.... the key is to have real female genetics not just dominant genetics these are harder to find anything else will either just give you seeds that are female or tend to hermie..

i too have been reserching making fem seeds and this is what i have learnt. so it could be wrong.

what your saying is close cos your working with dominant female genetics.. but use a natural hermie to get seeds and youll get mixed results when you grow them out due to unstable genes and guaranteed some more hermies.

did this help any

oh yeah if your seeds were due to stress theres a good chance theyle be female or hermie on ya. but this is just me and i havent really been researching it too hardcore or to long. breeding is a relatively simple thing but harder to do properly if thats what you wish... im of the oppinion a job worth doing is a job worth doing properly by the way.... thats y im lookin into breeding true females no shortcuts for me lol. breedings not hard but getting true fems is a bit harder

sorry if you find this useless by the way. and if im wrong could someone please correct me :)

peace
jester88

prolly best to use pollen from the hermie on another plant thats female if dealing with a natural hermie 2 by the way
 

taffo143

New Member
yeah but what if the plant wasnt xx to begin with but the y just being really recessive.

what your talking is creating fem seeds from fem plants that have turned hemie thrue means of stress or chemically... hardly a natural hermie which can be really male or really femail. the key is singling the true xx plants out these are the ones that wont get any bannanas easily the easiest way is rhodelisation let the buds over ripen and get bannanas use the pollenin those with another true xx to get reall fem seeds.... the key is to have real female genetics not just dominant genetics these are harder to find anything else will either just give you seeds that are female or tend to hermie..

i too have been reserching making fem seeds and this is what i have learnt. so it could be wrong.

what your saying is close cos your working with dominant female genetics.. but use a natural hermie to get seeds and youll get mixed results when you grow them out due to unstable genes and guaranteed some more hermies.

did this help any

oh yeah if your seeds were due to stress theres a good chance theyle be female or hermie on ya. but this is just me and i havent really been researching it too hardcore or to long. breeding is a relatively simple thing but harder to do properly if thats what you wish... im of the oppinion a job worth doing is a job worth doing properly by the way.... thats y im lookin into breeding true females no shortcuts for me lol. breedings not hard but getting true fems is a bit harder

sorry if you find this useless by the way. and if im wrong could someone please correct me :)

peace
jester88

prolly best to use pollen from the hermie on another plant thats female if dealing with a natural hermie 2 by the way
thanx for the reply but i wasnt in the beginning trying to breed in any way just trying to find out if it was worth growing a seed from a bud that had been left to long and had over rippened thats all, i planted 5seeds , 4 germ lovely so i was trying to find out if it was worth me carryin on with the grow???!!!!!!

i believe that they will be female but may well tern hermie on me!!

i also read if u take real good care of the plants there is also a chance of success:?::?::?::?::?::?: ?????????????? thanx bro
 

Jester88

Well-Known Member
grow em and see i think your going to getmixed results... especially if it pollinated itself.... may be worth it ya just may be a bit pissed when some fems start showing boy traits wich is possibe :)

aif it pollinated itself theres a good chance of lots of hermies. as its only got the same genetics to make a mix of
 

taffo143

New Member
grow em and see i think your going to getmixed results... especially if it pollinated itself.... may be worth it ya just may be a bit pissed when some fems start showing boy traits wich is possibe :)

aif it pollinated itself theres a good chance of lots of hermies. as its only got the same genetics to make a mix of
nobody i have spoken to can be sure wots gunna happen, the seeds were free and i have no alternative for the time being so im gunna use them as a little project to see wot realy happens,
i think its different in every case, due to many reasons.

1 guy told me he used seeds the same as me (from a bud that had overrippened) and hes been cloning healthy females of the mother he grew ever since>??????????? so who knos, well theoreticaly I WILL IN ABOUT 8 OR SO WEELS LOL if they make it that far, peace man:eyesmoke::bigjoint::lol:;-)bongsmilie:blsmoke:
 

Jester88

Well-Known Member
yeah its called rhodelization a way of breeding fems

id grow em.

what im saying was a natural hermie will give you mixed results. but still could b worth growing beauty is in the eyes of the beer holder :)
 

taffo143

New Member
so deffo worth a shot then jester???? fuck it im having a crack at it anyway, itl be a learning curve if nothing else, thankyou for ur input, cant wait until ive got means of gettin my hands on some regular white widow and some northen lights, peace out bruva
 

Yota

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i have some hermie seeds as well, was gonna sprout em soon possibly. I think it was stress, but who knows. meh
 

Jester88

Well-Known Member
Where do you live?
dont worry man i already have a set of handcuffs. got em from a sex shop... least you dont pay much for them and ya get to keep em not just get charged a rediculous price to rent them for a few hours..

i dont like people like you....

but if you must know i live in a house that good enough for you and your buddies.... what a dumb question

anyhoo
im off this blokes too dodgy for me..

peace
hope my info helped
 

vapedg13

New Member
I like this article....It explains how "feminized" seeds are made, why the plants are more likely to turn males, and how to use normal seeds to get a large all-female crop.



The idea of “feminized” seeds is heralded as a new wave of breeding enabling you to grow only females, but in reality it is a less reliable and less effective method than simply cloning your favorite plant. Feminizing seeds is nothing new; in fact, it’s done from a process that used to be called “hermaphroditic breeding” or “Breeding with Herman”.
Even a leaf can root!

During the 1970s and ‘80s it was often the case that the seeds you grew came from a bag of good bud. The bud usually had a name, but it was often made up by the local dealer trying to make his stash sound more exotic. In truth, you knew nothing about the parentage of the seeds that your bag contained. Sure, the female was great smoke – but you knew nothing of her size, shape, yield or genetics. The male involved was a total mystery; there was no way you could guess what the genetics of the pollen donor was. These seeds generally resulted in a range of plant genetics, which made one believe that there were a variety of males around when the female was budding.

As is often the case when genetics are mixed, you get failures and successes. More than one great breed was founded on a bag of random seeds. You would plant a hundred or so of the seeds you had, wait to see what Mother Nature – and your local dealer – had handed you, keep your fingers crossed hoping for a super-breed, and watched as some of the seeds came up. A few of the seedlings were sickly and didn’t live long, while others were strong, vigorous, and grew like weeds (pun intended), so you culled the sickly, nourished the healthy, and picked your favorites.

Through this lengthy and detailed process you would end up with a number of healthy young marijuana plants, which would be transplanted into large containers and, after ten to fourteen days, introduced to a budding cycle of 12 hours light and 12 hours dark. This causes the plants to elongate and show their sex, so it was easy to quickly find and kill the males and wait patiently (or impatiently!) for the remaining females to develop buds and ripen. Doing this inside grow rooms and greenhouses was easy and effective, but the seed planting and selection Fucking incredible, three weeks into floweringprocedure had to be repeated every year, and crops varied from big and dense to small and weak. We also found that after all that trouble of removing males, we sometimes ended up with females that switched sexes when they were stressed, resulting in accidental cross breeding – female plants were pollinated by females that developed male sex organs (hermaphrodites). We decided to grow out those seeds and, to our joy, we discovered that the ratio of females to males was skewed to a greater number of females. This was our discovery of hermaphroditic breeding.

Around the same time we were re-introduced to the method of cloning – I say re-introduced because while it wasn’t a process we had been using, it was a simple gardening technique my grandmother had shown me years before as “making cuttings”. She would cut off a branch of a plant with a sharp knife and stick it into a hormone rooting solution, homemade from pieces of willow tree branches soaked in water. Growers these days buy rooting hormone, but the process is identical.

I had a crop of 20 young plants of various strain backgrounds. We took two clones from each of the plants, and then used the budding light cycle to force the sex to show. Once we identified the male plants (half of them) we killed them and their clones, which still left us with ten large budding females and their 20 clones.

Now we had ten different hybrid genetics in total with two clones from each to work with and choose from. Even though we were making great strides, we wanted a room full of the same breed with the same size and characteristics. Basically, we wanted many copies of one great female plant so made the decision to play “Breeding Hermans”. We took two clones from one female plant, stressed one of the clones until it developed male sex organs, and then bred it with the other female clone. To our delight it worked – we ended up with seeds that grew into females 85-90 percent of the time and were consistent with the original female plant’s characteristics. We could now plant around 30 to 40 seeds and end up with 30 female plants the same size with the same genetics. We were ecstatic. Placing clones in the soil

However, silver linings often have a cloud attached and it was true in this case. The female plants that developed from hermaphroditic seeds had the drawback of being far more likely than ordinary plants to develop male branches – turn “Herman” – when stressed. More than once, a power, pump or light failure caused enough stress to the plants that they easily went hermaphroditic. Outdoors we had even more trouble; in bad-weather years we could end up with a plant from a feminized seed developing male flowers and blowing pollen all over the other plants, ruining our dreams of a sinsemilla crop. We decided that feminized plants might have a place in our business’ industry, but it wouldn’t be in our gardens.

It was our dream to grow rooms full of females of consistent genetics, and we made our dream come true by going back to cloning. It was so simple that we couldn’t believe that we hadn’t thought of it before. We planted ten normal seeds and nourished them with love and care, but this time we took 25 clones from each plant instead of just two. Then we put the mothers into bud cycle and sexed them; within ten days we identified and killed off the male plants and their clones, and found that we had six large females in bud and around 150 female clones. We continued to bud the mothers as we began to grow our female clones, and finally decided there were two plants that stood out from the crowd – they were bigger, denser, and smelled the best, so we kept their clones and culled the others. We harvested all of the mothers then placed the 50 chosen young marijuana plants into two rooms and switched them to the budding cycle. We had developed a process that made our dream a reality: grow-rooms full of consistent female plants.
Rooted clone being transplanted

It doesn’t take a horticulturist to see that using cloning to procure a room full of female cannabis plants is far more economical than growing “feminized seeds” that easily go hermaphroditic. It is simple to grow numerous female plants with only a few seeds of known genetics. For example, if you get ten seeds from a world-class marijuana breeder/bank, such as Burmese from Vancouver Island Seed Company (VISC), those seeds should become ten seedlings. At three to four weeks, take ten cuttings from each of the plants, then flip the plants to the bud cycle. Kill males as they show their sex and get rid of their clones, and you should be left with about five large budding females (more or less) and 50 guaranteed female clones of the same pure genetics, without any hermaphroditic tendencies.

So, for the price of ten seeds you end up with dozens of pure female plants, instead of purchasing “feminized” seeds only to get an unstable and unpredictable hermaphroditic breed. You can use regular seeds to grow an all-female crop, and that’s why we don’t sell feminized seeds. VancouverSeed.Com - VISC - Vancouver Island Seed Company - Liberty Seeds - Your source for award winning Canadian marijuana genetics such as Gold, GSPOT, Lady Liberty and Burmese. Ranked among the worlds best cannabis.
 

needhelp

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ok.... what i don't understand is... how people just don't figure that there are seeds that are herm to begin with... and ALL MJ carry the traits of hermie because it may be a RECESSIVE trait...

the reason i say this is comparing to animals, including humans, we have herms also... we have more herms in everyday population than people think... so lets say 1 out of 10,000 people are herm... we figure thats not a lot...but when theres 5 billion people, now we have more herms in our population then we thought... but seeds are in the billions..trillions...zillions..gazillions..chamillions...and what ever other -illions. so you stumbling into a hermie seed would be WAY more likely, because there are soooooo many seeds in the world being produced...

not saying it isn't due to stress, but i was just wondering why people always think the plants turn herm, instead of just thinking that it was always a herm... it just didn't show it sex yet, just like animals... didn't you know not all animals that are herm don't show both sexes from the day they are born... many show their other sex later on, thats why some babies are called the wrong sex on their birth certificates... until they get a little older thats when the doctors and parents are like "Oh shit"... and then changes are made where the child and the parents decide what sex the kid should be...

think about it
 

needhelp

Well-Known Member
dont worry man i already have a set of handcuffs. got em from a sex shop... least you dont pay much for them and ya get to keep em not just get charged a rediculous price to rent them for a few hours..

i dont like people like you....

but if you must know i live in a house that good enough for you and your buddies.... what a dumb question

anyhoo
im off this blokes too dodgy for me..

peace
hope my info helped
haha....angry man
 

9inch bigbud

Well-Known Member
simple put shit in get shit out. seeds are only as good as the parents they came from, if you stress the parent plants then this will in theory show up in the next generation of seed. That is why its the number 1 thing you look for when selecting parent plants for the next batch off seeds you dont select a weak, small or diseased plants as parents because that will carry over to the offspring or the weak gene will show its face in the new plants. I think if you fuck with a plant to grow balls there is a higher chance of the new seeds growing balls, than from plant that had male & femail parents = less chance of turning hemie. the best breeder i know will nerver breed female seed his words " When i select parent plants I KILL KILL KILL any thing that turns hemie to keep it out of my breading lines" or words to that effect.
 

needhelp

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shoot... people always talking about buying fem seeds.. but then you hear others pissed off after finding out most of the fem seeds are male... so this whole seed game is really fucked... this topic is also basically saying, your clones are also a target.. its all about TLC basically.. do right by your plant.. and she won't go looking to get layed
 

tyke1973

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You are doing the right thing this is the way to becomeing a great grower.i 100% certain that the seeds will still be male and female.this could end up been a great success or a total failer i hope it is he first i like to here this little test op going on.i did one last year a plant i had blueberry buuded i took her fruites of my labour then i put her back on veg got the plant nice and healthy then budded again i sure i could have carry on this process .but i do belive that it is always the way to go with nice healthy clone but the odd experiment don't hurt.
 

Aztros

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Great thread... Buddy is mailing me some seeds that he got from a plant that turned hermie on him from the cold weather. I don't live anywhere where that would be a problem for me. If I grow out these seeds and I turn up a healthy looking female am I potentially running into hidden issues with this plant or is it ok to establish as a mother and keep around for generations? Thanks a bunch... Take care.
 
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