DrGreenFinger
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...armageddon???
Obama reverses stem cell research ban
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ViRedd
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Well hopefully you're not mistaking me for a Republican ... cuz I'm not one.
And ... Republicans aren't funny at all ... in fact the Republican Party sucks as much as the Democrat Party sucks. Why? Because both parties are rapidly leading us down The Road to Serfdom.
Stick around this forum for awhile and try to learn a thing or three.
Vi
CrackerJax
New Member
Uh huh...sure Miss...
The president keeps a promise by lifting restrictions on federal funding of embryonic stem cell research — what he calls "the gold standard" of such research. Judging by results, fool's gold is more like it.
During the 2008 presidential campaign, then-Sen. Barack Obama said: "I believe that the restrictions that President Bush has placed on funding of human embryonic stem cell research have handcuffed our scientists and hindered our ability to compete with other nations."
With all due respect, that is nonsense. With Obama lifting the restrictions on Monday, we will now be federally funding research that has yet to produce a single therapy or a single treatment of an actual human being, at least one that works. It has generated a lot of hope but very little change. It is he who is putting ideology over science.
What has handcuffed our scientists is the difficulty of controlling embryonic stem cells and what they develop into. They're called pluripotent because they can develop into any type of human tissue, sometimes all at once.
Embryonic stem cells have a tendency to develop into one of the most primitive and terrifying forms of cancer, a tumor called a teratoma. Adult stem cells don't have that problem.
Recently the family of an Israeli boy suffering from a lethal genetic brain disease sought a solution in the form of injections of fetal stem cells. These injections apparently triggered tumors in the boy's brain and spinal cord.
It's in the area of adult stem cell research that new discoveries are being made every day. Fact is, there are now hundreds of conditions and diseases actually being treated using adult stem cells drawn from umbilical cord blood and other nonembryonic sources.
The typical reaction to Obama's move was represented in a Los Angeles Times sub-headline in its Saturday piece describing Obama's decision. It read, "Lifting Bush's limits on research will reopen a door for science." But no door had been closed.
Bush's executive order banned federal funding only of new stem cell lines. Neither federal funding of existing lines nor private funding was banned. In fact, Bush was the first president to spend any money on ESCR at all. Clinton spent zero.
The Times notes, as we have, that in 2006 researchers led by Dr. Shinya Yamanaka of Japan's Kyoto University were first able to "reprogram" human skin cells to behave like embryonic stem cells. But it claims the potential of these induced pluripotent stem cells (IPS) "is still unclear."
No, it's not. They can do everything stem cells from destroyed embryos can do, except without the moral baggage or the destroyed embryos.
This type of stem cell, according to the National Institutes of Health, offers the prospect of having a renewable source of replacement cells and tissues to treat diseases such as Parkinson's and Alzheimer's, spinal cord injury, stroke, burns, heart disease, diabetes, osteoarthritis and rheumatoid arthritis, to name a few.
Last week, Canadian and Scottish researchers, led by Andras Nagy of the Samuel Lunenfeld Research Institute in Toronto, announced in the journal Nature a new and safer way to create IPS cells. The original method used genetically engineered viruses to coax the skin cells into a state biologically identical to embryonic stem cells.
The new method uses strands of genetic material, or DNA, which can safely be removed once it does its job. The technique builds on Yamanaka's advance when he electrified scientists by reprogramming ordinary skin cells into stem cells capable of growing heart, brain and other tissues.
Venture capitalists think IPS cells are promising and are willing to put their money where their mouth is. Last year, Kleiner Perkins, the veteran Silicon Valley venture capital firm that helped found the biotechnology industry, announced it was backing a new Bay Area company, iZumi Bio Inc., which will work on further developing the technology for creating and using IPS cells developed from adult stem cells.
If embryonic stem cells are so promising, why aren't venture capitalists lining up and why does ESCR need federal funding? Indeed, let's stimulate science, not ideology.
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The president keeps a promise by lifting restrictions on federal funding of embryonic stem cell research — what he calls "the gold standard" of such research. Judging by results, fool's gold is more like it.
During the 2008 presidential campaign, then-Sen. Barack Obama said: "I believe that the restrictions that President Bush has placed on funding of human embryonic stem cell research have handcuffed our scientists and hindered our ability to compete with other nations."
With all due respect, that is nonsense. With Obama lifting the restrictions on Monday, we will now be federally funding research that has yet to produce a single therapy or a single treatment of an actual human being, at least one that works. It has generated a lot of hope but very little change. It is he who is putting ideology over science.
What has handcuffed our scientists is the difficulty of controlling embryonic stem cells and what they develop into. They're called pluripotent because they can develop into any type of human tissue, sometimes all at once.
Embryonic stem cells have a tendency to develop into one of the most primitive and terrifying forms of cancer, a tumor called a teratoma. Adult stem cells don't have that problem.
Recently the family of an Israeli boy suffering from a lethal genetic brain disease sought a solution in the form of injections of fetal stem cells. These injections apparently triggered tumors in the boy's brain and spinal cord.
It's in the area of adult stem cell research that new discoveries are being made every day. Fact is, there are now hundreds of conditions and diseases actually being treated using adult stem cells drawn from umbilical cord blood and other nonembryonic sources.
The typical reaction to Obama's move was represented in a Los Angeles Times sub-headline in its Saturday piece describing Obama's decision. It read, "Lifting Bush's limits on research will reopen a door for science." But no door had been closed.
Bush's executive order banned federal funding only of new stem cell lines. Neither federal funding of existing lines nor private funding was banned. In fact, Bush was the first president to spend any money on ESCR at all. Clinton spent zero.
The Times notes, as we have, that in 2006 researchers led by Dr. Shinya Yamanaka of Japan's Kyoto University were first able to "reprogram" human skin cells to behave like embryonic stem cells. But it claims the potential of these induced pluripotent stem cells (IPS) "is still unclear."
No, it's not. They can do everything stem cells from destroyed embryos can do, except without the moral baggage or the destroyed embryos.
This type of stem cell, according to the National Institutes of Health, offers the prospect of having a renewable source of replacement cells and tissues to treat diseases such as Parkinson's and Alzheimer's, spinal cord injury, stroke, burns, heart disease, diabetes, osteoarthritis and rheumatoid arthritis, to name a few.
Last week, Canadian and Scottish researchers, led by Andras Nagy of the Samuel Lunenfeld Research Institute in Toronto, announced in the journal Nature a new and safer way to create IPS cells. The original method used genetically engineered viruses to coax the skin cells into a state biologically identical to embryonic stem cells.
The new method uses strands of genetic material, or DNA, which can safely be removed once it does its job. The technique builds on Yamanaka's advance when he electrified scientists by reprogramming ordinary skin cells into stem cells capable of growing heart, brain and other tissues.
Venture capitalists think IPS cells are promising and are willing to put their money where their mouth is. Last year, Kleiner Perkins, the veteran Silicon Valley venture capital firm that helped found the biotechnology industry, announced it was backing a new Bay Area company, iZumi Bio Inc., which will work on further developing the technology for creating and using IPS cells developed from adult stem cells.
If embryonic stem cells are so promising, why aren't venture capitalists lining up and why does ESCR need federal funding? Indeed, let's stimulate science, not ideology.
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Twistyman
Well-Known Member
Good... now maybe they'll find a cure to being Republican..... breed that Rove/Cheney gene right out.........
misshestermoffitt
New Member
Jax, you're my buddy and all, but we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one.
KPCB has announced an historic alliance with Generation Investment Management and its chairman Al Gore who has become a KPCB Partner. The combined network, expertise, vision and global reach of Gore, Generation and KPCB will help our entrepreneurs change the world.
It seems there's some government fingers in this pie as well, or ex-government.
KPCB has announced an historic alliance with Generation Investment Management and its chairman Al Gore who has become a KPCB Partner. The combined network, expertise, vision and global reach of Gore, Generation and KPCB will help our entrepreneurs change the world.
It seems there's some government fingers in this pie as well, or ex-government.
Zakharov
Active Member
well, this thread sure has gone a way off topic. Vi, I know there wasn't a 'ban' on stem cell research, but a ban on federal funding shut down the american stem cell scientific community to a few privately owned companies constantly being heckled by weirdo christians who are so eager to impose their ideologies on an unwilling world. This effectively can be considered a ban. And as for your 'giant, embryonic, sinister scheme', I'm yet to be convinced.
CrackerJax
New Member
Miss which post are you replying to? certainly not on stem cell research...
But I will agree to disagree. I find Gore to be disingenuous and a tool. And COMPLETELY wrong on global warming.
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But I will agree to disagree. I find Gore to be disingenuous and a tool. And COMPLETELY wrong on global warming.
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Tryingtomastrkush
Well-Known Member
you are an angry angry man.......And you just plain suck. Quick, call Med and ask for the entry exam for the idiot's club. It has something to do with sucking.
Vi
PS: That was another joke.
cry me a river.
tipsgnob
New Member
thanks Uncle Vi.........And YOU are another candidate for Med's idiot club. See ... you don't have a sense of humor either.
A joke is a joke. A personal attack is a personal attack. Reference tips, he's an expert, albeit with only one liners though.
Vi
PS: tips ... that was another joke.
CrackerJax
New Member
Tips, u r so full of sh*t...
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TheBrutalTruth
Well-Known Member
Adult Stem Cells
Positive Search Results
http://www.stemcellresearch.org/facts/treatments.htm
http://www.bioethics.gov/background/prentice_paper.html
I think some one said something about MS
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/health/18903485/detail.html#-
http://www.webmd.com/news/20080226/adult-stem-cell-therapy-shows-promise
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/12/081214190945.htm
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46546
http://www.lifenews.com/bio2751.html
And here's mention of Embryonic Stemcells causing Tumors
http://health.usnews.com/blogs/heart-to-heart/2009/03/04/why-embryonic-stem-cells-are-obsolete.html
Or what about the record of Adult Stem Cells vs Embryonic Stem Cells (73 - 0)
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/letters/bal-ed.le.letters26f10feb26,0,7206910.story
Well here's something critical, apparently there was a minor mistake in the study in Korea.
http://www.the-scientist.com/templates/trackable/display/news.jsp?type=news&o_url=news/display/53279&id=53279
Parkinson's
http://repairstemcells.org/Stem-Cell-University/Featured-Articles/Severe-Head-Injury.aspx
Head Injuries
Obama's dangerously behind when it comes to the Environment (Climate Showing Cooling Trend over last 10 years) and on Stem Cells (Adult Stem Cells showing break throughs.)
About the only thing going for him is that he was able to get more than half of the voting population to believe in his empty rhetoric.
Oops, looks like the number of things done right has lapsed back down to 0 out of [Out of Range Exception]
Positive Search Results
http://www.stemcellresearch.org/facts/treatments.htm
http://www.bioethics.gov/background/prentice_paper.html
I think some one said something about MS
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/health/18903485/detail.html#-
http://www.webmd.com/news/20080226/adult-stem-cell-therapy-shows-promise
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/12/081214190945.htm
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46546
http://www.lifenews.com/bio2751.html
And here's mention of Embryonic Stemcells causing Tumors
http://health.usnews.com/blogs/heart-to-heart/2009/03/04/why-embryonic-stem-cells-are-obsolete.html
Or what about the record of Adult Stem Cells vs Embryonic Stem Cells (73 - 0)
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/letters/bal-ed.le.letters26f10feb26,0,7206910.story
Well here's something critical, apparently there was a minor mistake in the study in Korea.
http://www.the-scientist.com/templates/trackable/display/news.jsp?type=news&o_url=news/display/53279&id=53279
http://www.scientificblogging.com/erin039s_spin/another_breakthrough_neural_adult_stem_cells
Parkinson's
http://repairstemcells.org/Stem-Cell-University/Featured-Articles/Severe-Head-Injury.aspx
Head Injuries
Obama's dangerously behind when it comes to the Environment (Climate Showing Cooling Trend over last 10 years) and on Stem Cells (Adult Stem Cells showing break throughs.)
About the only thing going for him is that he was able to get more than half of the voting population to believe in his empty rhetoric.
Oops, looks like the number of things done right has lapsed back down to 0 out of [Out of Range Exception]
CrackerJax
New Member
It's really about gathering more power to the fed's. he has a pattern which is scary but easy to follow.
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medicineman
New Member
This is nothing more than paranoia nonsense. Did you follow the Bush regime on the path to the Iraq war, from day one of his presidency?It's really about gathering more power to the fed's. he has a pattern which is scary but easy to follow.
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ViRedd
New Member
Angry? Me? I'm afraid that you have mistaken humor for anger. That's a common error that lefties make all the time. As I pointed out, you libbies are devoid of a sense of humor and rife with hate. Therefore, its completely understandable why you would mistake my humor for anger. Take heart ... We understand.
By the way ... ten points if you can name the singer that made the song "Cry me a river" popular in the 1950s.
Vi
tipsgnob
New Member
was it merna loy?Angry? Me? I'm afraid that you have mistaken humor for anger. That's a common error that lefties make all the time. As I pointed out, you libbies are devoid of a sense of humor and rife with hate. Therefore, its completely understandable why you would mistake my humor for anger. Take heart ... We understand.
By the way ... ten points if you can name the singer that made the song "Cry me a river" popular in the 1950s.
Vi
CrackerJax
New Member
Med Man, I am not surprised that the obviousness of what Obama is doing escapes you. Most things do. I am no bush fan, but he is starting to look better every day. I think he knows this as well. I believe I have posted this to you before so pay attention and maybe write this down if that will help you.
I didn't vote for Bush in the first election, but i did in the second.
1.) Kerry was a very very very very (add 20 more) poor choice.
2.) It sends a horrible signal to change commander in chief in the middle of a war, especially when the alternative is (read above).
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I didn't vote for Bush in the first election, but i did in the second.
1.) Kerry was a very very very very (add 20 more) poor choice.
2.) It sends a horrible signal to change commander in chief in the middle of a war, especially when the alternative is (read above).
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CrackerJax
New Member
It was Julie London of course....
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tipsgnob
New Member
I didn't vote for Bush in the first election, but i did in the second.
1.) Kerry was a very very very very (add 20 more) poor choice.
2.) It sends a horrible signal to change commander in chief in the middle of a war, especially when the alternative is (read above).
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even if the war was a lie to start with?
1.) Kerry was a very very very very (add 20 more) poor choice.
2.) It sends a horrible signal to change commander in chief in the middle of a war, especially when the alternative is (read above).
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even if the war was a lie to start with?
medicineman
New Member
The second time, whooooo, talk about dumb. Hey, Obama is being bold, he has to to fix the mess Bush left. Maybe he is a little too far left for you, but hey, your side lost, get over it. I personally hope he soaks all the rich, left or right. They have had a toooo long free ride. Everyone thinks this is a repuke VS dem war, Not so, this is a class war. Always has been, since the beginning of time. If you are a wannabee, I think the timing is bad for your side, All those people you see coming with pitchforks and shotguns, they're after what you've got. Viva le-revolution.Med Man, I am not surprised that the obviousness of what Obama is doing escapes you. Most things do. I am no bush fan, but he is starting to look better every day. I think he knows this as well. I believe I have posted this to you before so pay attention and maybe write this down if that will help you.
I didn't vote for Bush in the first election, but i did in the second.
1.) Kerry was a very very very very (add 20 more) poor choice.
2.) It sends a horrible signal to change commander in chief in the middle of a war, especially when the alternative is (read above).
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misshestermoffitt
New Member
It doesn't matter what anyone does, someone will always complain, it's the nature of humans.