MIxing root powder with soil

[Gone808Fishing]

do you think if i mix some rooting powder with the soil the plant will grow faster

 

[CrackerJax]

Yes. But mix it with water first and use it as a drench.

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[South Texas]

Or.... instead of inviting sick rooting systems, use Liquid Seaweed, which is a natural rooting solution. Once rooting starts, soft clay phosphorous is perfect for the new rooting system. I had the same idea, but learned better a year later.

 

[CrackerJax]

No disrespect but i have done this for years with absolutely no problems. Just follow the directions. I am in the nursery business and believe me if it didn't work, I wouldn't use it. If you ended up with weak root system, it wasn't because of the rooting hormones.

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[lehua96734]

No disrespect but i have done this for years with absolutely no problems. Just follow the directions. I am in the nursery business and believe me if it didn't work, I wouldn't use it. If you ended up with weak root system, it wasn't because of the rooting hormones.

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I have been thinking the same thing but how offen to drench them? only once or weekly? and help from someone that is in the this line of work is greatly respected by myself. thanks

 

[CrackerJax]

I use it biweekly. But only for three or four cycles. After that if you don't have a strong root system, you have other problems and no amount of hormones will fix it.

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[South Texas]

So Liquid Seaweed does not work??? Cracker?

 

[CrackerJax]

Of course it works as a great organic fert, but it is not a rooting hormone.

P.S. If you wish to make your own rooting hormone put some willow cuttings in some water... it's the exact same thing.

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[South Texas]

What I was politely saying that seaweed IS a Natural Rooting Hormone, but the Rooting People doesn't want to go out of business, so it's a secret. See library at the Dirt Doctor web site. "Seaweed". Also, just learned that the very beginning of the rooting start, & in the Budding state, soft clay phos. is highly reccommended. Soaking seeds in a mild solution of seaweed also helps germ rate.

 

[CrackerJax]

I'm not doubting you. If that is your preference go for it. However there is nothing alien about rooting hormones. I have used it for many years with all my plants (not just weed) and it works perfectly well. Cheaper too.


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[South Texas]

Hell, I've used it also. Still got some laying around. Would rather use a non-toxic method that also builds up the plants Immunity System. I don't like my Ladies to be stressed & being under sieze by pest because the Chems deleted the natural immunity system. There is no chems sold that aids the plants immunity system,... because the chems kill that possibility. Name one chem that promotes building the immunity system via bacteria, microbes & fungi. I read your post. The statement that there is no organic that can compare to chem ferts is completely reversed. To prove such, name one chem that promotes the plants immunity, as stated above. Simple, straight question. Learning is more import than a stuip weed.

 

[robert 14617]

south texas just a question the BT or the beneficial bacteria that kill caterpillars does it harm the plants or is it one of those push neutral things

 

[CrackerJax]

Rooting hormone is not toxic. Who told you that? hooboy

BT can be used as an effective preventative but use it before you flower. Only in veg stage.

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[South Texas]

You said, in previous post that organic could not match Chem shit. #2. You said, in THIS post, that seaweed WAS NOT a rooting hormone. Strike 2. Now, Rooting Hormone is not Toxic. I don't mind you being a Spokesman for the Chem Folks, but the other 1,000 RUI Folks don't know better, and THAT is a problem. I have Green Light Rooting Hormone sitting here. The health issues are astronomical. Print out the cautions that comes with YOUR non-toxic Rooting shit. I gave RUI a natural method without the shit that makes your cancer excel.
Robert. Dude, what's up? From what all the organic Master Gardeners say, the BT is NOT harmful to your plant. Use it. See dirtdoctor., it may be in His Library. Cool.

 

[CrackerJax]

Point 1. Oragnic cannot match chem, that is true. It has been estimated that if the world's farms went 100% organic 30% more food would have to be planted to match what we produce today. That's called efficiency (chem that is)

Point 2. Any fert can promote rooting and indeed does. that does not make it a rooting HORMONE.

I will put rooting hormone into perspective for you as far as toxicity.

Do you use talcum powder on your body? How about dish soap to wash your dishes? What about gasoline in your lawn mower or car? Do you use laundry soap? Bleach? Rooting hormone is safer than all of these, and especially the bleach you put on your laundry. I'll bet most people haven't read all of the cautions that come with all of these common chemicals, and they use them all the time. The cautions are there to help you know how to safely use something, not to paralyze you with fear over using it. Just as with bleach, if you use it as labeled, it is safe. As is anything used as labeled, including fertilizers and other common garden chemicals like sulpher. Don't drink bleach or spray it in your garden and you'll be fine, and don't eat the rooting hormone or deliberately inhale the powder and you'll be fine. As far as being "organic" goes, well that is up to you. IBA, the active ingredient in most rooting compounds occurs naturally in callous tissue on plants when they root. This is just synthetically reproduced to give the plants a boost in rapidly rooting. If you use BT in your garden, you'll probably feel OK about using rooting hormone. BT also occurs naturally, but the stuff that is sold is produced by genetic engineering of bacteria to make such a large quantity of it, and I've not heard any wild alarms about that yet from the organophiles.



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[South Texas]

I have no doubt that a 'Study' resulted in attempting to show better production using Chems. Hell, even the Forestry is teaching the Students that Tress live longer when treated with Chems. This is truly a Biased experiment, where a Billion dollar Industry goes head to head with some Farmer pushing around a wheelbarrow filled with cow shit, old leaves & a few earth worms. People like Home Depot would haul the man away. The Soils's Microbial Life, and the worms does not have a multi-million dollar Public Relations Firm to promote whatever Toxic Waste is being pushed. That's your Modern Day Drug Pushers at their finest. That's why the TV didn't show a test with 2 Potato Patches. Nor the 2 Corn Patches. In BOTH cases, the Potatoes & Corn yielded more & had bigger produce. A Nutrient test was done on the potatoes. The smaller, chem potatoes had 80% less nutrients. The Corn was ground into some dog food. The Dogs wouldn't eat the chem corn when given the choice. Plants, Animals & Humans knows what the body needs, if it was made available. Eating a lot & still being 'Hungry is because the body hasn't gotten what it needs. The Chem raised Veggies in the store looks pretty for display, but that is exactly why Americans are overweight & malnutritioned at the same time. Same as when comparing the eggs from chem raised Chickens to 'Range Birds'. You need to eat 3 of them to 1 organically raised egg. Once again, eating a lot, getting less nutrition. I do have on file some of this stuff, but I need more.
I hope to keep this debate going. If you are 100% correct, that really would be wonderful. However, I know that chems kill the Microbes, the soils engine, causing the soil to pack tight, need for more water, malnutrition & stress, .. it just goes from there. "Man's mistake is trying to improve Mother Nature instead of working with Her." It would be nice to buy a man made Miracle of the shelf for only a few bucks. But I'm telling you right now, The Emperor isn't wearing any Clothes, and all the PR Firms can't change that fact.

 

[CrackerJax]

If you just think about it ST, you will have to readjust your bias.
Organics = slow. slow to make and slow to apply
Chem = fast. fast to make and fast to apply

I use both organic and chem fert's, so I am no spokesperson for either.

To the plant, organic or chemical, it makes not a bit of difference. It only sees NPK, not how it is produced.

If there is villification of chem fert it is by the organic producers. The only way to sell you a pint of organic fertilizer (for 15 bucks!!!) is to convince you that the other way is wrong and harmful. Marketing works both ways ....always.

Follow the money and the truth will come out.


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[South Texas]

Cool. $15 bucks for a pint of organic shit is a rip-off, for people that don't know any better. Most of that shit is cheap molasses & liquid Seaweed. People pay for convience, paying $1.00 for 7 cents of coffee & hot water, or more. Chem 'ferts do cause rapid growth. Like I said, the Veggies in the store "looks" SO pretty, but they are not healthy. If a true side by side test was done, my soil creation would grow just as fast, but also have less predator attacks, less diesase, less stress, which allows me to top the shit out of my plants without fear. And the final product will be a LOT higher quality, and smooth smoking. Only then can the plant realize the plants fullest potential, not a pretty, sick-ass plant. That's my stance. When I first got a hold of Peters & Miracle ferts, I thought it was the greatest thing in the world. Pretty plants, dead soil. My interest is "Growing soil", for all plant life. Have you ever compared the taste between tomates from the store, or fruit, compared to organically grown stuff. Most people never had a chance to taste what vegetables can taste like, or real milk, compared to that skim milk shit. There just IS no comparision, plus the soil becomes MORE benefitial, instead of the DEAD ZONE. Chem ferts does not have a locking agent for the rooting system, so the roots can only absorb 15% of the chem ferts, the rest drains away into streams & rivers, cancer, etc. The more the soil's bicrobial life dies off, the more compact it becomes, causing more run-off. A vicious cycle. There's a hell of a LOT more going on besides the NPK shit, and all that PH testing. Beyond that shallow premise, there really is some miracles going on.
The Animal Vets waiting area has big displays of high dollar flea chems for your pets. $60 bucks for 2 drops of the shit for 2 dogs, for 30 days. If they wasn't ass deep into the chem people- money, they would tell people that $7.00 dollars will buy 2 million benifical nematodes, that will take care of all flea, grub, tick, etc. problems for years. I'm saying that the Chem folks deliberately blocks the facts, all for the sake of the legal tender. Even if the overall health & well being takes the hit. It's all a big lie. I'm going to call in "The Big Dogs", The people that knows a lot more than me, to champion my side of this Debate. I hope we keep this debate up. Learning something is what I love. Growing pretty weeds is easy. Growing shit underground is fun like Chess, as opossed to simple tic tak toe.

 

[CrackerJax]

You can rail against the machine all you want SOK...

But it is chem fert's which feed the world. It's not good vs. evil. It's efficient against less efficient. If you wish to take more time and energy in making or using organics....go for it. I do both.


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[Green Dave]

Lets hear MORE I love to learn and would Love to hear what you guys have to say
Happy Growing to ALL we all grow the same so smoke one and be Happy
Green Dave