Dutch Master SuperBud

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jUzSmokEIt

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Not sure if this has been discussed or not but just wondering the real story behind dutch master superbud getting taken off the shelves. Firstly is that true? Apparentely it causes bud rot and has some very harsh chemicals that should not be smoked. Is there any other reason?

I recently walked into a hydro shop and he pulled it from under the counter trying to sell it to me (i didnt ask for it i just said i wanted some booster) i thought is must be some seriously good stuff if his pulling it from under the counter maybe to hide it from theives as it was expensive, he said it shows flower within 3 days and produces a wicked yeild. Im seriously considering if its as good as he says. Or could anyone else recomened me somthing else to use as a replacement if it is bad.
 
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kathleenbilly

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Superbud,

Well as you can see by the fact you have not received any replies :confused:

Its a bit of a taboo subject however loads of info on it if you google for it both negative and positive depends on the way you wish to view it.

As far as genuine smokers are concerned it does affect end product. In life there is no quick fix for anything, always a price to be paid for cutting corners and this product is no different.

However i have as i write have some and will be using to help stop the vertical growth with future crops.

On my current crop which is coming up to 4 weeks flowering i am going to drain my tank. Fill with 14 ltr of nutrients and 14 ml of superbud and run for 4-5 days. Flush out and drain completely and fill tank back up with normal nutrients to end cycle.

Its not a high dose and i like to experiment. :blsmoke:
 
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twisterbilly

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I had a chuckle when I saw this thread. Superbud is nasty and no one wants to talk about it.

Kathleenbilly, why not just use Bonzi (Paclobutrazol) to prohibit apical growth? It is one of the chemicals in Superbud but there is a far worse chemical in it also. Bonzi is relatively safe but still not desirable to use is you can avoid it.

I know I'm a first time poster here but heres a link to superbud that gives you the formula - tells you what is in it, how much and how to make it if after reading what is in it you still would want to use it.

link = Superbud Formula Free

You may find this very interesting!
 
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kathleenbilly

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Yes thanks and interesting link i've had a read.....he goes on to say that these products do not work ie: Superbud and other products he lists as similar.

Myself Superbud works simple as that and the results speak for themself.

Is it bad for you probably yes, and so is smoking and drinking too much coffee...''

But then i don't smoke or drink coffee, that said given the way life is i will most likely die before most smokers anyway...'' :-?

Take care to live the way you like, or you will be forced to live the way you don't...........:peace:
 
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twisterbilly

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kathleenbilly said:
Yes thanks and interesting link i've had a read.....he goes on to say that these products do not work ie: Superbud and other products he lists as similar.

Myself Superbud works simple as that and the results speak for themself.

Is it bad for you probably yes, and so is smoking and drinking too much coffee...''

But then i don't smoke or drink coffee, that said given the way life is i will most likely die before most smokers anyway...'' :-?

Take care to live the way you like, or you will be forced to live the way you don't...........:peace:
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Peace right back. Yes, there's been raging arguments about whether these products work or not - they certainly do something but do they really increase yields and that's what everyone has argued about for years.

I know a guy who gained massive increases in yields after dropping Superbud and going to coco and refining his environment. I think where these products work is in environments that are substandard where the growers really don't know what they're doing and are fundamentally too cheap and too lazy to get it right. Speak to any plant physiologist and they will tell you that the secret to big yields is temp, humidity, light and optimised nutrition.

It's an unusual perspective to defend poisons marketed as organics. These products have extremely long withholding periods so we know we're smoking at least some of the by product. The hydrazide atom in Daminozide converts to hydrazine when heated and hydrazine is deadly. They just shot a satellite out of space because it was returning to earth with hydrazine in its fuel cells. The million dollar question is what happens when this shit is combusted and inhaled straight into the lungs?

I guess you're attitude is fair but don't take the moral high ground and claim mj is a safe herb. It isn't. It isn't natural - not so long as toxins have changed the fundamental values of the plant because people throw their ethics out of the window for cash and bring disrepute on good people who do their best to grow clean and healthy produce.

If it all becomes about profits to hell with any ethics, start baking meth and selling H.

I hope when you sell people your product you tell them it was grown with things that may harm them - that would be the moral thing to do and if you're growing for yourself why would you use things that toxify your favourite "herb". Live the way you want to live but be sure to be moral in that life because that is to live a good life.

Peace. :peace:
 
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kathleenbilly

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I hear what your saying and agree.

I used to be a smoker of weed for many, many years i enjoyed it. There were good smokes back in the day, and bad smoke. I probably inhaled some very bad smoke in my time.

Now myself i grow and sell these days and no longer smoke, i take my pleasure from watching the plants grow and mature i get great satisfaction from it. The superbud i use is not much about 40ml for 7 days total so based that over 8 weeks i don't think could be much trace in there left or should i say an amount that could possible have a real impact to harm.

That said i'm only guessing as i do not really know.

Unfortuntely i do not have the answers but if my plants were actually killing people then that would be not good...................:roll:
 
LoudBlunts

LoudBlunts

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i heard this shit alway decreases quality.....


why on earth would you fuck with a life growth process..... sounds like implants or steroids to me
 
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twisterbilly

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:spew:Sorry, love the emoticons on this site.

Any product that seriously changes the natural growth processes has likely got consequences - call that a physical law of the universe. Yeah, well do your clients a favour and at least tell them your weed is grown with toxins with a year with holding period that when possibly combusted is sending hydrazine (a serious nasty) straight into their lungs. I'd seriously suggest you warn people or karma WILL catch up.

I don't know for certain either but I sure as shit would not take the chance without knowing for certain. Any amount would be too much. :peace:

If it aint natural its chemical. Bake meth and leave the good vibes to herb growers.
 
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Thebot

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kathleenbilly said:
However i have as i write have some and will be using to help stop the vertical growth with future crops. :blsmoke:
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there's and easier and organic solution to that problem. its called LST. look into it if your using chemicals to shorten your plant. that seems extremely unnecessary if your just trying to reduce height.
 
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twisterbilly

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"there's and easier and organic solution to that problem. its called LST. look into it if your using chemicals to shorten your plant. that seems extremely unnecessary if your just trying to reduce height."

Paclobutrazol in very small amounts may be safe also but why risk it?? Tell me more about this organic?? Have you got any links to info that I can visit??

There is an organic called BAP 6 which works also. This I know is organic. Whether it is safe (non toxic) is another thing.

It's important to realise that a Death Adders bite is organic. Technically, these poisons are organic also.

Keep in mind that dubious (shady) companies have long promoted poisons as organic so be wary. :peace:
 
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Thebot

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oh come on give me a fucking break. that was the worst defense ive ever heard of on roll it up. LST is low stress training. you gradually tie the plant down so that it grows more horizontally than vertically. like i said google that shit. im usually never rude on this site but since you tried to call me out on an extremely basic technique i have to call you out on being completely uneducated. i have been growing for the last 6 years and i know what im talking about. i really dont mean to be a dick but dont try to speak like a scholar to me on a topic which you obviously have no experience on. organic by no means has any relation to additives to your plant (which in some instances it can mean additives) . organic means no chemical additives. in LST there are no chemical additives, which in all people's sense means organic.
 
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Thebot

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i apologize for being too defensive on this last topic. you asked for more information on this organic technique and a link to it, and as i previously said google it. if not better than google, wikipedia it. everyone on this site wants more info and i have no right to be pretentious about this topic. you asked for more info and i was a dick about it. once again i apologize, all i meant by this was do more research on topics before you comment on them. please do not be offended as i was an asshole in my previous response
 
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twisterbilly

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OK, did a google on LST and wow mj growers doing what ag has been doing some time with a new name:hump: It's an old trick used by backyard growers to disguise their plants ------ been around at least 30 years.

The other easy way is simply to have netting in place and to train the plants under this - I think mj growers call this scrogging.

Turn the plants down earlier - that's another very easy way to keep them at desired height. You simply don't need poisons - learn to grow and take some pride. :peace:
 
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twisterbilly

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Hey man all cool. I didn't see your posts. I thought you were talking about an additive. No need to apologise and great tip. Just didn't know what it was. :peace:

Peace Out - G.Low (Integral Hydroponics)
 
trichome addict

trichome addict

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I tried out superbud a few years ago on a test batch of plants in my room and wasnt impressed at all.
I found the plants that i hit with the superbud just sort of stayed in a prolonged pre flower state and had poor to non existant resin production.
even by the time the rest of the plants in the room were ripe(used topmax on them) the superbud plants were still not flowering properly,sort of mutated looking and stretched.
I scrapped them in the end,so yeah not one of the best products ever to hit the market.
 
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twisterbilly

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trichome addict said:
I tried out superbud a few years ago on a test batch of plants in my room and wasnt impressed at all.
I found the plants that i hit with the superbud just sort of stayed in a prolonged pre flower state and had poor to non existant resin production.
even by the time the rest of the plants in the room were ripe(used topmax on them) the superbud plants were still not flowering properly,sort of mutated looking and stretched.
I scrapped them in the end,so yeah not one of the best products ever to hit the market.
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Yep, they're for growers who don't know what they're doing. Lazy farmers who don't give a crap about what they sell. The formulas for these types of products are in the latest Edition of Integral Hydroponics. www.integralhydro.com
 
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