2 x 600w HPS VS. 1 x 1000w HPS What will yield more?

2 x 600w VS 1 x 1000w

  • 2 x 600w HPS

    Votes: 55 83.3%
  • 1 x 1000w HPS

    Votes: 4 6.1%
  • Don't Care.

    Votes: 7 10.6%

  • Total voters
    66
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BCtrippin

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This is to end another ridiculous argument.

Will 2 x 600w yield more then 1 x 1000w.

What is more efficient to run for watt/lumen, and which will yield more.

Personally I think 2 x 600w HPS will beat a single 1000w HPS any day of the week.

Im only making this poll because I dont want to continue highjacking the other thead.


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petrushka

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You gotta be joking! Why would you do that? I haven't even ordered the lights for my first grow yet and I am already sick of these arguments.

And yeah..... I see no poll..
 

BCtrippin

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You gotta be joking! Why would you do that? I haven't even ordered the lights for my first grow yet and I am already sick of these arguments.

And yeah..... I see no poll..
Why? Because everyone has an "opinion" but not many people have any real argument to back it up. :razz:

You dont see the poll? ...Its at the top of the page....:confused:


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krunchy

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2 600w will significantly outperform 1 1000w. The math's pretty obvious I would have thought.
 

BCtrippin

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I figure wider light coverage and slightly more lumens = Wickeder!!! No?.?!
25% more lumen out put AND 2 points of light...Definitely better IMO. I dont understand how anyone can aruge that a 1000w is more efficient then 2 x 600w...but the guy has been spamming it for days.

2 600w will significantly outperform 1 1000w. The math's pretty obvious I would have thought.
Yes it is pretty obvious, I dont know why anyone would think a 1000w would outperform 2 x 600w.


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laserbrn

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You think a new thread is the solution to your problem?

The only way to know is to compare side by side and no one here has provided that. Just more speculation.

And the original point wasn't that 1 1000w would out yeild 2x600's. It's a question of which is more efficient.

Try it, then come back and let us know instead of starting and argument and defending a position not based upon your experience, but based upon speculation.

And utilizing the logic you have presented CFL's would stomp HID's and uhmmm....they don't.
 

dgk4life

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25% more lumen out put AND 2 points of light...Definitely better IMO. I dont understand how anyone can aruge that a 1000w is more efficient then 2 x 600w...but the guy has been spamming it for days.



Yes it is pretty obvious, I dont know why anyone would think a 1000w would outperform 2 x 600w.


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i run 2 600 watt agromax hps digital ballasts and bulbs. wit two 4 foot sun soaker hoods. check out my sig
 

laserbrn

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i run 2 600 watt agromax hps digital ballasts and bulbs. wit two 4 foot sun soaker hoods. check out my sig
And where's your 1000w grow to compare it to? I know growers personally that swear the 1000w is better. And I've seen there grows with my own eyes with both setups.

The only people that ever make the argument that 1000w is better than 2 600w's are those that have tried both.

I've never ever met or spoken to anyone who has run both claim the 2 600's are better. Find me THAT guy.
 

VaporBros

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Ill find him, he'll probably post later tonight when he gets home.

plus, it just makes more sense that the two 600's would be better. More light coverage, more lumens, more watts...etc. I can see a 1000w being better if it was on a light mover. Maybe.
 

laserbrn

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Ill find him, he'll probably post later tonight when he gets home.

plus, it just makes more sense that the two 600's would be better. More light coverage, more lumens, more watts...etc. I can see a 1000w being better if it was on a light mover. Maybe.
I don't disagree that it make sense, I've always been perplexed by this problem. I've seen it first hand and in a 4x4 space I've seen 1 1000w yeild very close to 2 600w lights, but it took 200w less to use the 1000 and the buds were the size of coke cans instead of a bunch of bananas.
 

BCtrippin

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And utilizing the logic you have presented CFL's would stomp HID's and uhmmm....they don't.
No Im not utilizing Your logic, Im utilizing Real logic. Real logic tells that CFL and HPS are 2 completely different types of light so cant be compared in the first place in this situation.

The only people that ever make the argument that 1000w is better than 2 600w's are those that have tried both..
1 person makes this argument, and just because he blamed the lighting does not mean that 1 x 1000w is more efficient in any way whatsoever.


Before you continue to make as ass of yourself with stupid arguments like "CFL's would stomp HID's and uhmmm....they don't" Seriously read this thread and how light works.

https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/83128-lumens-lux-adding-all-up.html


4. What does this mean when using multiple light sources?
So we've established that lux are the number of photons striking a unit area per unit time, weighted by a luminosity function.

We've also established that photons from the same light source are indistinguishable, as long as they have the same energy/wavelength/color.

What this means is that if you put two lights the same distance from a point, and each light provides N photons per unit area at the point, with two lights you will have 2N photons per unit area at the point. Because intensity is a measure of the number of photons per unit area, the light is twice as intense, whatever unit you choose to use. Twice the lumens, twice the lux, twice the footcandles.

An obvious practical caveat to this point comes when using multiple low-intensity light sources.
Notice how I stated that the lights were at the same distance? A practical problem with CFLs, for example, is that while you can get 27000 lumens from 10 x 42W CFLs, it's difficult to get them close enough to make them useful. If you have them in a line, for example, as I've shown below, each successive light is further from the meter, and the effective increase will be reduced. They still add, but according to the 1/d^2 rule, so having a bulb 2cm farther away will yield diminishing returns. On the other hand, this can be an effective way of distributing light, whereas with HID you need to distribute the plants around your single point light source.

Read that thread before posting again, maybe you will learn something. Theres even PROOF!


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Higher Education

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When someone refers to the efficiency of a light they are referring to the lumen to watt ratio, not how many lumens total the light produces. That is referred to as the intensity of the light. The efficiency of a 1000w is sometimes greater than that of two 600w lights, but not always. Take the Grow Bright 1000w and 600w HPS bulbs for example. The 1000w produces 150,000 lumens. 150,000 lumens/1000 watts=150 lumens per watt. The 600w produces 95,000 lumens. 95,000 lumens/600 watts=158.33 lumens/per watt. 1x150,000=150,000lumens<2x95,000=190,000lumens. In this particular case, the two 600watt bulbs happen to be more efficient and more intense than the single 1000w. The efficiency of 1000w and 600w bulbs vary throughout brands so this always won't be the case.

Here is where I got the lumen outputs: http://www.htgsupply.com/products.asp?categoryID=4&subcategoryID=85&typeID=86
 

Mcgician

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I have a question. How about 2 1000W HPS's on 8 ft light rails spaced about 4-5 ft from each other running parallel vs 4 staionary 600's for the same amount of space?
 

laserbrn

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When someone refers to the efficiency of a light they are referring to the lumen to watt ratio, not how many lumens total the light produces. That is referred to as the intensity of the light. The efficiency of a 1000w is sometimes greater than that of two 600w lights, but not always. Take the Grow Bright 1000w and 600w HPS bulbs for example. The 1000w produces 150,000 lumens. 150,000 lumens/1000 watts=150 lumens per watt. The 600w produces 95,000 lumens. 95,000 lumens/600 watts=158.33 lumens/per watt. 1x150,000=150,000lumens<2x95,000=190,000lumens. In this particular case, the two 600watt bulbs happen to be more efficient and more intense than the single 1000w. The efficiency of 1000w and 600w bulbs vary throughout brands so this always won't be the case.
That's assuming that light intensity from 2 seperate sources would really add to the increased intensity. It doesn't. The single source of intensity works better from what I've experienced. It's not that the 600's can't grow as much as a 1000w it's the quality of the buds and the WAY you get your yeild. I would rather have fat buds than a bunch of popcorn crap ore resort to strictly lollipopping. 1000w light penetrates a good 3 feet into the canopy while 2 600's won't. Even if you add them together, there penetration does not increast.
 

BCtrippin

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I have a question. How about 2 1000W HPS's on 8 ft light rails spaced about 4-5 ft from each other running parallel vs 4 staionary 600's for the same amount of space?
Thats a bit off topic. I dont want to get into another debate over that now too.:razz::lol:


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