Why Hydro is easier than Soil

Mortloch

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Ok I have seen a lot of first time growers on this site who have all kinds of problems growing in soil. When I first started growing I read about how if you over feed or mess up your PH with soil you have to flush with gallons of water and then add new nutes. Even after that it still takes a few days to bounce back or show signs of improving if you did it right and if its wrong, flush and wait is what you have to do. So, this is the way I looked at it, with soil you have the above problem as well as no way to tell whats going on in the dirt, with hydro if you over feed or your plants are looking yellow you can drain out all the water, put fresh water in and remeasure you nute levels, plus the plants show the change faster (good or bad) than when in soil because of the complete environment change.

I am in no way trying to bring up the soil vs hydro argument, I just want to point out that for a first time grow hydro is the easiest way to fix something if you make a mistake, plus you can measure PH and PPM levels to find out how much or little food they are getting. You can just pull a plant out of soil, knock the dirt off and put it in new dirt, but that is more root touching than you should do.

I started with hydro and a two part botanicare feed system, Pure Pro Grow and flower, simple and organic. My water from the city has a PH of 7 which I checked using a simple aquarium Ph test kit, add some PH down so it is at 5.5, follow what the hydro nutes say to add and everything worked out great. Using a PPM stick I could see if they had too much or too little food.

Now Mothers I have found have to be in soil to slow the growth, when I first tried to keep them alive in soil I over feed, under watered, then under feed and over watered. Why? because with soil you have to "talk" to the plants to know what they need, with hydro you can "see" what they are eating. I use a simple Deep Water Culture set up, you can make it your self using buckets and an air pump to give the roots oxygen.

In short it is harder to change out or flush all of your soil than it is to drain and change a hydro reservoir. So don't be scared :bigjoint:
 

easygrinder

New Member
I found what you are saying to be exactly true also, providing you have taken the time to read up a bit on the requirements of a plant you can better learn to service those requirements if you have a base for information, soil never provides that because its always unprecise, ok your soil has enough nutes to last it x months, so you gotta wait for it to lighten and then add a tablespoon of whatever.

With hydro it is all precise and measured well, if your feeding it 1200 ppm and you up it to 1500ppm and you get nute burn you can instantly put it down to what happened, and the buffering properties of soil are also a problem because although it does save some soil growers asses you can never link effect and reaction so you never have any idea if the problems on the plant are something you did yesterday or something you did 3 days ago
 

pitchforksandtorches

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it's interesting to read both of your views, i'm on grow #2, both in soil...
i started this way as i was a total novice, and it seemed a fair bit less complicated/expensive. so far i've not bothered with ph at all ( unthinkable to many, hydro growers esp, i know), and, lol, just talked to my plants and observed them closely, recording what i have done along with observations etc.. so far so good, and while i have kinda philosophical/spiritual/ethical reasons to stay with soil, the budding DIY'er in me will surely try out hempy's or DWC in a few grows time.
i get the point about plants in hydro responding quicker which is an asset, but needing to learn about, and invest in ph, ppm, cf etc was easily enough to make me start on soil and do all that a bit later
 

Mortloch

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it's interesting to read both of your views, i'm on grow #2, both in soil...
i started this way as i was a total novice, and it seemed a fair bit less complicated/expensive. so far i've not bothered with ph at all ( unthinkable to many, hydro growers esp, i know), and, lol, just talked to my plants and observed them closely, recording what i have done along with observations etc.. so far so good, and while i have kinda philosophical/spiritual/ethical reasons to stay with soil, the budding DIY'er in me will surely try out hempy's or DWC in a few grows time.
i get the point about plants in hydro responding quicker which is an asset, but needing to learn about, and invest in ph, ppm, cf etc was easily enough to make me start on soil and do all that a bit later

There are steps to follow for soil and hydro in order to grow the best pot you can. If you mess up on a step in soil, fixing it can be a nightmare, mess up on a step in hydro you can drain it all out and start over.

Soil is the simplest way to grow, yes, but hydro gives you a lot more control over your plants and their environment. BOTH can get very advanced when it comes to "best" growing so that is not the point here. It all comes down to control, you can't control soil, you can control how much food you put into the water.

The biggest bouns with hydro? You can't over or under water! (yes you can forget to fill the reservoir but that is your dumbass fault) Just put an air stone in to get air to the roots and away you go!:spew:
that puke face is there because it makes me laugh, nothing to do with the thread :-P
 

blzbob

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I have never had a problem with soil, it is very easy to flush and with Hydro if you mess up you lose your whole crop not just one plant.
 

kryptakrOnic

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Im currently on my second grow also both in soil ..I have had ph problems in tha past that caused me to have to harvest early cause all my leaved died off at only 6 weeks flowering hopefully this dosent happen agen its jus learning from your mistakes but I wanna give hydro a try cause all I've seen is good stuff from it...i jus needa a lil more experience under my belt first
 

Mortloch

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Im currently on my second grow also both in soil ..I have had ph problems in tha past that caused me to have to harvest early cause all my leaved died off at only 6 weeks flowering hopefully this dosent happen agen its jus learning from your mistakes but I wanna give hydro a try cause all I've seen is good stuff from it...i jus needa a lil more experience under my belt first

My first grow in hydro I had PH problems too, because I didn't know about PH balanceing the rockwool. But what kryptakrOnic is talking about you could of fixed or at least easily checked the PH in a hydro system.

blzbobI have never had a problem with soil, it is very easy to flush and with Hydro if you mess up you lose your whole crop not just one plant.
If you check your plants every day, or every other, which everyone should anyways, you would of noticed a problem 2 or 3 days after you added all new nutes and water (in hydro). If you go back to just the basic 2 part grow formula's feeding chart then you'll see them improve in a day or two.bongsmilie


To flush soil you have to remove all the food and add more, flushing is the same for both methods,

One you drain (hydro)

One you pour (soil)
 
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chitownsmoking

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Soil is easier its more forgiving. Especialy when compared to d.w.c. But maybe its not easier then a fully automatic ebb and flow system or some shit like that that has been tuned in to proper conditions
 

Mortloch

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Soil is easier its more forgiving. Especialy when compared to d.w.c. But maybe its not easier then a fully automatic ebb and flow system or some shit like that that has been tuned in to proper conditions
Well, holes at the bottoms to drain and replace water every 2 weeks isn't really "tuned in". D.W.C. and ebb and flow are two different hydro systems (yes you can use them together, but you don't have to). An air pump and an aquarium pump is the only other thing you need.

With hydro you can't over/under water and you can't pack the soil to tight. That right there is two problems you won't have.

Also it doesn't seam as if the people saying soil is easier have even tried hydro, it really is simple, but because of the control you have, there are a lot of options:bigjoint:
 

Knally

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Soil is much less work than hydro even when the systems are operating properly. Soil is an easier method to grow as long as you keep out the pests.
 

ganjaboii024

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Wait until you have a timer or pump malfunction, you will see the effects of underwatering real fast.
iv seen great systems with fail safes that take those things into consideration
around 200 bux gets you a decent ups system and those intermatic timers are quite reliable
 

tyke1973

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Nutrients are put into the plant constanly airation on the roots makes the root system grow realy big but without all the hassle of re~potting root bound plants.plant gain realy big root systems compared to soil based plants.out of a 4 ince rockwoll cube i can have a plant that can be 12 foot if needs be.the yeiled is double that of any soil based grow no matter what anyone tells you.this is due to constant nutrients been pumped into the plants.it is a great way of growing big yeields fastand every grower shoild at one time try it.
 

KaliKitsune

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I don't even need an aquarium pump for DWC. I have a rack made for pulling the plants from the buckets by using the lid, and hanging it over a towel while I do a quick reservoir change. The only failures I need to worry about is the air pump and lights, but I have backups for those.
 

ganjaboii024

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I don't even need an aquarium pump for DWC. I have a rack made for pulling the plants from the buckets by using the lid, and hanging it over a towel while I do a quick reservoir change. The only failures I need to worry about is the air pump and lights, but I have backups for those.
i just put the plant over another empty 5 gal bucket while i empty and re fill the old one
 

BigBudBalls

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Soil is more forgiving. If you are f*cking up a soil grow, just wait and see what you can do to a hydro grow.
 

dol72fins

Active Member
i have been growing in soil for over 10 years. after doin months of research on forums like this 1, i decieded to build an aero/nft type of system. finished the cloner a little over 2 weeks ago filled the rez adjusted the ph to 5.9 and added the clones. today i have 13 out of 16 clones with roots. i'm amazed, in soil it took 3 weeks and got only half the clones to grow roots. so far everything has gone smoothly.
here's a link to my thread check it out. peace.
https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/183168-new-hydro.html
 
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