1000w BarneysFarm Red Diesel

[GoldenGanja13]

Come back in 10 weeks and then decide hmm.

And good use of English lol

I for one will be back in 10 weeks. I just don't understand why someone would waste precious veg time? Plants can not mature any faster than there DNA allows. Putting them into 12/12 so soon, well it boggles my mind. One (myself) would think it would be better to clone the plant once it gets mature and then once clones get rooted then 12/12.
Now I don't agree with any method of 12/12 before a plant is mature, but your garden your rules.
I just want to see the outcome.

 

[dpjones]

True they are small but they are going to grow a lot in flowering.

 

[GoldenGanja13]

True they are small but they are going to grow a lot in flowering.

Here's my thinking: the flowers need the leaves to give them there "energy" right. SO the more leaves you have the more energy the plant can give to the flowers. Also more potential flower areas.
Sure the plant will strech a bit in 12/12, but you are taking away very valuable veg time, being once in 12/12 the plant will stop producing wonderful new leafs (solar panels) and start flowering, if it does not stress and hermie. (fingers are crossed)

 

[Bublonichronic]

well, i have grown plants before, and i have flowerd them early before, and they have gotten to nice sizes (good enough for me), so yea i guess if your lookin for like a lb. a plant you COULD vegg. for longer, but im not a boss just a medi grower....but one thing that i am thinking is maybe me starting flower early could turn my fem. seeds into hermi? just a thought like to see what some of you think about it..expecially the big mouths

 

[Bublonichronic]

Here's my thinking: the flowers need the leaves to give them there "energy" right. SO the more leaves you have the more energy the plant can give to the flowers. Also more potential flower areas.
Sure the plant will strech a bit in 12/12, but you are taking away very valuable veg time, being once in 12/12 the plant will stop producing wonderful new leafs (solar panels) and start flowering, if it does not stress and hermie. (fingers are crossed)

Gajna im stoned and seem to have not read everything.... but you say that my plants are hermiing because of stress??

 

[GoldenGanja13]

No, I'm saying stress can cause hermies, and when you put a plant into 12/12 before it is mature it can cause stress.

I have a limit I can legaly grow so I shoot for at least 4 oz per plant. If you let a plant mature first then give it another week or two, well there you go, much bigger yeilds and no stress.

 

[Mammath]

Hey Bubloni, just gonna stick my nose in here and give my opinion.

Fem' plants from fem seeds have a small amount of hermie in their genetics.
Some will hermie no matter what you do.
Stressing a fem' plants is how they produce the male flowers to breed with, so stress can definitely cause hermies.

In saying that though, I don't think you are stressing them by going into 12/12 this early. Your just going to keep them small by doing this and they will grow plenty of foliage over the next 4 weeks before the budding really takes off.

In your last grow, the OB went hermie but your PA didn't, and they were both flowered early. This was because of the genetics, quality of seed stock, and luck.

If you do get some hermie action this time, it will be from the genetics, not a short veg time.

PS. I'm not here to disagree with you GG13, because a lot of what your saying is correct. Just giving my opinion and looking forward to watching this grow.

 

[GoldenGanja13]

Hey Bubloni, just gonna stick my nose in here and give my opinion.

Fem' plants from fem seeds have a small amount of hermie in their genetics.
Some will hermie no matter what you do.
Stressing a fem' plants is how they produce the male flowers to breed with, so stress can definitely cause hermies.

In saying that though, I don't think you are stressing them by going into 12/12 this early. Your just going to keep them small by doing this and they will grow plenty of foliage over the next 4 weeks before the budding really takes off.

In your last grow, the OB went hermie but your PA didn't, and they were both flowered early. This was because of the genetics, quality of seed stock, and luck.

If you do get some hermie action this time, it will be from the genetics, not a short veg time.

PS. I'm not here to disagree with you GG13, because a lot of what your saying is correct. Just giving my opinion and looking forward to watching this grow.

Respect

 

[dpjones]

Tbh I don't understand this whole you must let the plant 'mature' thing. I know that eventually a plant in veg will show pre flowers but that can take up to 6 weeks of vegging? By that time my plants would be 2ft tall at least, add a double or triple flowering growth and thats massive.

There is no point growing massive plants if you don't have the light coverage and penetration. Even a 1000w will not penetrate through the top canopy of a dense set of plants.

Also when SOGers take clones they put them straight into flowering, how come they don't hermie. I have been reading Al B Fuct's grow thread and he was saying he has been putting plants into 12/12 straight from veg for years and never gets hermies.

Also the plants wont just stretch they are going to go on a crazy veg type growth first. As someone earlier said, there wont even be flowers for the first ~3-4 weeks.

 

[NegligentMother]

im just saying man its way too early to be flowering. your yields are gonna suck. its worth the extra month to just veg and get some huge dank buds, instead of crapper pop corn buds. ive made this mistake. take it from someone who knows.

 

[Bublonichronic]

hahaha, thanks for the input guys but honestly...this is NOT my first grow ok.....so i have an idea how much they will grow in next 4 weeks, i estimate 12" leaveing them at 17" when they stary really packin on the budds...that is good enough to prolly pull 2 oz. a plant given i dont cut early! and DP pretty much broke down the reason i want small squat plants.....LIGHT PENITRATION...so it is the TALL plant that was OVER veggd.(for indoor growing) that will have the popcorn nuggs not the squat close to the light plant, think about it, your furthest nugg might be 4 ft away from you light, mine will be like 2 ft....that might not make sence to some but it makes sence to me and a couple people with awsome journals, plus i just wake~n~bake so im pretty blazed

 

[Bublonichronic]

thought id put some pics of the growth since put into flower (dont seems stressd.) so this is day 21 to 26.

 

[GoldenGanja13]

Tbh I don't understand this whole you must let the plant 'mature' thing. I know that eventually a plant in veg will show pre flowers but that can take up to 6 weeks of vegging? By that time my plants would be 2ft tall at least, add a double or triple flowering growth and thats massive.

There is no point growing massive plants if you don't have the light coverage and penetration. Even a 1000w will not penetrate through the top canopy of a dense set of plants.

Also when SOGers take clones they put them straight into flowering, how come they don't hermie. I have been reading Al B Fuct's grow thread and he was saying he has been putting plants into 12/12 straight from veg for years and never gets hermies.

Also the plants wont just stretch they are going to go on a crazy veg type growth first. As someone earlier said, there wont even be flowers for the first ~3-4 weeks.

You can fim/top/lst there are many ways to keep a plant on a even canopy so lights can be 18 inches away from the buds. I vote Mature a plant before going 12/12. One reason is to allow the plant to have strong hormones for the buds.

 

[NegligentMother]

im letting you know right now that you'll be lucky to get an oz a plant if you are flowering this early. dude im speaking from experience, and there is no way you will get 2 oz a plant. ill bet money on it. like he said let your plants mature before 12/12. how is it done in nature? usually plants outside get months of vegetative growth. light penetration isnt gonna mean shit when you have 4 sets of fucking leaves. theyre just gonna stretch and there will be little bud growth between nodes. trust me man, i tried the same exact thing with a similar strain. youll prolly get around an oz a plant.

 

[Bublonichronic]

BAHUMBUG ^ i guess well see

 

[GoldenGanja13]

BAHUMBUG ^ i guess well see

Lol your garden, your way of doing things. Thank you for shareing what you are doing so we all can learn from it, like or not.

 

[Mammath]

Lets not forget fellas that the Red Diesel has some sativa in it.
It's a 65-75 day flower period. That's 10 or 11 weeks flowering!
I can't see a problem with these being put into 12/12 at this point in time.
Just because you change the light cycle does not mean it starts budding straight away remember.
The introduction of 12/12 triggers the plant to begin producing the hormones required for flowering.
There will be at least 3 - 4 weeks of rapid growth before these plants even form decent bud sites.
It will be the strain that determines the amount of branching and node spacing during this period.
Plus there's 1K of watts hanging over these girls.
I'm really looking forward to this grow Bubloni and I reckon your scheduling is fine.

 

[NegligentMother]

im saying 30 grams a plant. no but really i dont mean to come across like a dick. we all have our way of doing things. right now i got 30 plants sog method under 2k watters. with 3 weeks left. each of them i vegged pretty damn early but ill prolly still get 2 ozs each. i waited til they were about 18 inches tall. and i also have 12 fucking bushes!! underneath 2 4 foot 6 bulb t5s. 24 hrs of light. im almost looking more forward to flowering those big mommas after the harvest then i am of the actual harvest of the 30..

sorry im blazed of some jack herer i got ...damn shits fire. love my illadelph<3

 

[smoke and coke]

i have a 10 pack of red diesel regular seeds. started 2 of them and 1 never cracked and the other popped through the soil and died. anyway i havnt started anymore yet because i have a room full as of now.
IMO i think you went to 12/12 a little early, but that being said i have never grown this so cant say for sure. i am interested in the outcome of this for my next cycle with a couple of these. im curious to see how your plants grow with the early 12/12 and the topping. good luck

 

[GoldenGanja13]

Lets not forget fellas that the Red Diesel has some sativa in it.

The introduction of 12/12 triggers the plant to begin producing the hormones required for flowering.


There will be at least 3 - 4 weeks of rapid growth before these plants even form decent bud sites.
.

Why put a plant in flower before mature? Like you say above 12/12 triggers plant, but if not Mature, no Hormones to trigger.

Thats why you have to wait so long in 12/12 before plants even form decent bud sites.

This is just for sake of argument. Not trying to piss off grower or anyone else.