N deficent? rootbound? pic

HERBAL ADDICT

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ive got 3 foot plants in 6ltr pots
fan leafs starting at the verey bottom are yellowing and dying off,,,,

are they wanting more nitrogen or is it because of no space left in the pots for new root growth??

they stil in veg,, temps good.. humidity good,,lights good,, not over waterd!,,

maybe slightly under fed?

i think its nitrogen but ,a bit unsure because of the root packed pots?

:peace::peace::peace::peace::peace::peace::peace::peace:

im not a newb i just havent had this problem before, therefore never had to deal with the problem,
 

Twistyman

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If the yellowing is just the bottom leaves thats normal.. as the plant grows up the bottom leaves die off.. just watch that its not a rapid yellowing or moving up from bottom leaf sets............
You didn't mention your nutes, plant age and if starting flower, in flower leaves will yellow all over the plants............. Luck...
 

HERBAL ADDICT

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im using 5.5/1/3.5 veg nutes,at half strength,,,
still in veg,, all my last grows never lost a leaf or got a yellow leafs at all until the last few weeks ov flower, wich i know is normal
plants are now 8 weeks old and same 6ltr pots since they were 1 week old
 

HERBAL ADDICT

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and it is slowly.. moving up the plant... really slow,, it aint effecting fans on branches just fans on the main stem
the leaf in the pic went from being all yellow to yellow with dead leaf ends in 1 night
 

Twistyman

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Do you PH your water....??
there is a good chart with pics.. FAQ....to plant problems....to ph/nute problems...to chart by Neitzsche....
 

JayDoe71

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ive got 3 foot plants in 6ltr pots
fan leafs starting at the verey bottom are yellowing and dying off,,,,

are they wanting more nitrogen or is it because of no space left in the pots for new root growth??

they stil in veg,, temps good.. humidity good,,lights good,, not over waterd!,,

maybe slightly under fed?

i think its nitrogen but ,a bit unsure because of the root packed pots?

:peace::peace::peace::peace::peace::peace::peace::peace:

im not a newb i just havent had this problem before, therefore never had to deal with the problem,
Looks like too much nutes
 

HERBAL ADDICT

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yip,, i feed at ph 6.8,, however my runoffs are 6.1?? is this bad,,
ive seen the chart but to be honest the pics cud do with being better and it should explain stuff so that some 1 hoo is constantly stoned can understand it..lol.. u get wot i mean,,
judging by yor rollitup stats u are an expert,, or alot more clued up than most,, u shud start a thread for problems/ with pictures,, and easy to read and understand,,
lol call it the stoners guide to diagnosing plant problems,,,

big ass respect if u could m8,,as me and many people get a bit confused by reading too many technical words/ sentances,,
 

LUDACRIS

New Member
im using 5.5/1/3.5 veg nutes,at half strength,,,



NOT ENOUGH "P" IN THOSE NUTES.
http://www.greenmanspage.com/guides/tables.html
Cannabis Nutrient Disorders

Nutrient disorders are caused by too much or too little of one or several nutrients being available. These nutrients are made available between a pH range of 5 and 7 and a total dissolved solids (TDS) range of 800 to 3000 PPM. Maintaining these conditions is the key to proper nutrient uptake.

Nutrients: Over twenty elements are needed for a plant to grow. Carbon, hydrogen and oxygen are absorbed from the air and water. The rest of the elements, called mineral nutrients, are dissolved in the nutrient solution. The primary or macro- nutrients (nitrogen (N), phosphorus (P) and potassium (K)) are the elements plants use the most. Calcium (Ca) and magnesium (Mg) are secondary nutrients and used in smaller amounts. Iron (Fe), sulfur (S), manganese (Mn), boron (B), molybdenum (Mo), zinc (Zn) and copper (Cu) are micro-nutrients or trace elements. Trace elements are found in most soils. Rockwool (hydroponic) fertilizers must contain these trace elements, as they do not normally exist in sufficient quantities in rockwool or water. Other elements also play a part in plant growth. Aluminum, chlorine, cobalt, iodine, selenium, silicon, sodium and vanadium are not normally included in nutrient mixes. They are required in very minute amounts that are usually present as impurities in the water supply or mixed along with other nutrients.
*NOTE: The nutrients must be soluble (able to be dissolved in water) and go into solution.
Macro-nutrients Nitrogen (N) is primary to plant growth. Plants convert nitrogen to make proteins essential to new cell growth. Nitrogen is mainly responsible for leaf and stem growth as well as overall size and vigor. Nitrogen moves easily to active young buds, shoots and leaves and slower to older leaves. Deficiency signs show first in older leaves. They turn a pale yellow and may die. New growth becomes weak and spindly. An abundance of nitrogen will cause soft, weak growth and even delay flower and fruit production if it is allowed to accumulate.
Phosphorus (P) is necessary for photosynthesis and works as a catalyst for energy transfer within the plant. Phosphorus helps build strong roots and is vital for flower and seed production. Highest levels of phosphorus are used during germination, seedling growth and flowering. Deficiencies will show in older leaves first. Leaves turn deep green on a uniformly smaller, stunted plant. Leaves show brown or purple spots.
NOTE: Phosphorus flocculates when concentrated and combined with calcium.
Potassium (K) activates the manufacture and movement of sugars and starches, as well as growth by cell division. Potassium increases chlorophyll in foliage and helps regulate stomata openings so plants make better use of light and air. Potassium encourages strong root growth, water uptake and triggers enzymes that fight disease. Potassium is necessary during all stages of growth. It is especially important in the development of fruit. Deficiency signs of potassium are: plants are the tallest and appear healthy. Older leaves mottle and yellow between veins, followed by whole leaves that turn dark yellow and die. Flower and fruit drop are common problems associated with potassium deficiency. Potassium is usually locked out by high salinity.
Secondary Nutrients Magnesium (Mg) is found as a central atom in the chlorophyll molecule and is essential to the absorption of light energy. Magnesium aids in the utilization of nutrients, neutralizes acids and toxic compounds produced by the plant. Deficiency signs of magnesium are: Older leaves yellow from the center outward, while veins remain green on deficient plants. Leaf tips and edges may discolor and curl upward. Growing tips turn lime green if the deficiency progresses to the top of the plant. Calcium (Ca) is fundamental to cell manufacture and growth. Soil gardeners use dolomite lime, which contains calcium and magnesium, to keep the soil sweet or buffered. Rockwool gardeners use calcium to buffer excess nutrients. Calcium moves slowly within the plant and tends to concentrate in roots and older growth. Consequently young growth shows deficiency signs first. Deficient leaf tips, edges and new growth will turn brown and die back. If too much calcium is applied early in life, it will stunt growth as well. It will also flocculate when a concentrated form is combined with potassium. Trace Elements Sulphur (S) is a component of plant proteins and plays a role in root growth and chlorophyll supply. Distributed relatively evenly with largest amounts in leaves which affects the flavor and odor in many plants. Sulphur, like calcium, moves little within plant tissue and the first signs of a deficiency are pale young leaves. Growth is slow but leaves tend to get brittle and stay narrower than normal.

Iron (Fe) is a key catalyst in chlorophyll production and is used in photosynthesis. A lack of iron turns leaves pale yellow or white while the veins remain green. Iron is difficult for plants to absorb and moves slowly within the plant. Always use chelated (immediately available to the plant) iron in nutrient mixes.
Manganese (Mg) works with plant enzymes to reduce nitrates before producing proteins. A lack of manganese turns young leaves a mottled yellow or brown. Zinc (Z) is a catalyst and must be present in minute amounts for plant growth. A lack of zinc results in stunting, yellowing and curling of small leaves. An excess of zinc is uncommon but very toxic and causes wilting or death.Copper (C) is a catalyst for several enzymes. A shortage of copper makes new growth wilt and
causes irregular growth. Excesses of copper causes sudden death. Copper is also used as a fungicide and wards off insects and diseases because of this property.

Boron (B) is necessary for cells to divide and protein formation. It also plays an active role in
pollination and seed production.
Molybdenum (Mn) helps form proteins and aids the plant's ability to fix nitrogen from the air. A
deficiency causes leaves to turn pale and fringes to appear scorched. Irregular leaf growth may also result. These nutrients are mixed together to form a complete plant fertilizer. The mix contains all the
nutrients in the proper ratios to give plants all they need for lush, rapid growth. The fertilizer is
dissolved in water to make a nutrient solution. Water transports these soluble nutrients into contact with the plant roots. In the presence of oxygen and water, the nutrients are absorbed through the root hairs.
Key on Nutrient Disorders

To use the Problem-Solver, simply start at #1 below. When you think you've found the problem, read the Nutrients section to learn more about it. Diagnose carefully before
making major changes.

1) a) If the problem affects only the bottom or middle of the plant go to #2.
b) If it affects only the top of the plant or the growing tips, skip to #10. If the problem seems to affect the entire plant equally, skip to #6.
2) a) Leaves are a uniform yellow or light green; leaves die & drop; growth is slow. Leaf margins are not curled-up noticeably. >> Nitrogen (N) deficiency.
b) If not, go to #3.
3) a) Margins of the leaves are turned up, and the tips may be twisted. Leaves are yellowing (and may turn brown), but the veins remain somewhat green. >> Magnesium (Mg) deficiency.
b) If not, go to #4.
4) a) Leaves are browning or yellowing. Yellow, brown, or necrotic (dead) patches, especially around the edges of the leaf, which may be curled. Plant may be too tall. >> Potassium (K) deficiency.
b) If not, keep reading…
5) a) Leaves are dark green or red/purple. Stems and petioles may have purple & red on them. Leaves may turn yellow or curl under. Leaf may drop easily. Growth may be slow and
leaves may be small. >> Phosphorous (P) deficiency.
b) If not, go to #6. 6) a) Tips of leaves are yellow, brown, or dead. Plant otherwise looks healthy & green. Stems may be soft >> Over-fertilization (especially N), over-watering, damaged roots, or
insufficient soil aeration (use more sand or perlite. Occasionally due to not enough N, P, or K.
b) If not, go to #7.

7) a) Leaves are curled under like a ram's horn, and are dark green, gray,
brown, or gold. >> Over-fertilization (too much N).
b) If not, go to #8…
#8.....) a) The plant is wilted, even though the soil is moist. >>Over-fertilization, soggy soil, damaged roots, disease; copper deficiency (very unlikely).
b) If not, go to #9.
9) a) Plants won't flower, even though they get 12 hours of darkness for over 2 weeks. >> The night period is not completely dark. Too much nitrogen. Too much pruning or cloning.
b) If not, go to #10...
10) a) Leaves are yellow or white, but the veins are mostly green. >> Iron (Fe) deficiency.
b) If not, #11.
11) a) Leaves are light green or yellow beginning at the base, while the leaf
margins remain green. Necrotic spots may be between veins. Leaves are not twisted. >> Manganese (Mn) deficiency.
b) If not, #12.
12) a) Leaves are twisted. Otherwise, pretty much like #11. >> Zinc (Zn)
deficiency.
b) If not, #13. 13) a) Leaves twist, then turn brown or die. >> The lights are too close to the plant. Rarely, a Calcium (Ca) or Boron (B) deficiency.
b) If not… You may just have a weak plant.
LUDACRIS.
 

HERBAL ADDICT

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good good,,but my plant problem is getting to me tho,,, it looks like needs more N but also like a magnesium def..
im using canna nutes,, maybee i should go for full strength,,?? i just dont know
 

mygirls

Medical Marijuana (MOD)
good good,,but my plant problem is getting to me tho,,, it looks like needs more N but also like a magnesium def..
im using canna nutes,, maybee i should go for full strength,,?? i just dont know
thats what it looks like to me need more nitrgon. as in a higher # then you have. 24-8-16 i use and never had a deff. problem. knock on wood. LOL
 

HERBAL ADDICT

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im a soil grower,,do u think it could be because ive been using half strength? iv got some npk 8/1/1 guano, is that any good or is it risky
 

dirt clean

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I would go full str def. Also add your guano as a top dress. I am organic. So i would also add more bacteria, like a good aerated tea. I have not had a burn yet with heavy feeds. But I am organic.
 

dirt clean

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Also N gets lovked out at higher ph. I had a prob my ph was like 9, the leaves started to yellow. A day after I lowered the ph, well 6 hours, the plants had cleaned up. Nice.
 

HERBAL ADDICT

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hey dirt clean im totaly organic my self,, if i used bio canna vega 5.5/1/3.5 at full strength is it still ok to topdress with guano,, if so how much per pot? got 6ltr pots,, movin to 11ltr in a few days
 
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