DIY Closet DWC Grow - First grow ever

[jigfresh]

not to steal a thread or anything but when plants are growing in a confined space and you smell that great smell when you walk in what is that smell exactly what are you smelling. how does the plant produce that chronic smell? is that a sign of thc? what makes the smell?

Just the other day I was looking for my grow journal, but noticed someone had stolen it... was that you???

I don't know if you are going to get that question answered here... we're mostly first time growers trying to figure things out together. We're just trying to figure out when the hell to chop our plants... trying to get our temps down.... get our co2 up.

I would think the advance section would be better to ask something like that.

Check back in a few years when we have the growing part down, and we have moved onto the science of how the plant grows in each stage and what exactly is going on.

You're welcome in my journal... just know we aren't that smart... we just try really hard and read a whole lot.

(sorry guys... I guess there are actually some really smart people who know their shit ie. greenpheonix, thor, lilmafia... the list goes on... no offense to anyone was intended)

 

[dj crane]

I must say jig, the more i see those pics, the more i want to try a scrog.

 

[jigfresh]

I must say jig, the more i see those pics, the more i want to try a scrog.

If you aren't afraid of some work.... DO IT. It's fun as hell, how everything's all spread out.

Does a peice of toast look appealing with a big glob of butter sitting on it, or does it look better all spread out evenly, dripping off the edges.

To me, it seems like the only way to grow indoors (at least in small spaces). No way you are scrogging a whole bedroom.

oh, and djcrane... I haven't said anything on your thread, becuase I have no idea about that stuff. I'm still watching though.

 

[thor369]

for that auto torch idea, it is way better, and more fun, (if you are a rush junky) to do it legal, and if drawn into a court/raid, bring torch for the cops, and who ever signed off on the raid

but thats just me.

[quote}I don't know if you are going to get that question answered here... we're mostly first time growers trying to figure things out together. We're just trying to figure out when the hell to chop our plants... trying to get our temps down.... get our co2 up. [unquote]

this is the way of the master. take your time, no way to speed up the 65 to 70 day flower times. watch the temps, give'm your time, the more time you spend with them, the faster you spot a problem when it shows up. the better you watch your numbers, the less problems show up, easy as that.

in most plants, essential oils is the base for the smells, how it is released into the air we breath to smell it, is beyond me, it wasnt needed to know to grow, so i never looked into it, but you can read up on the net somewhere (i am sure, it is THE NET) abour fragrances released into the air by flowers, and then, from what you learn, you can direct your searching to a more nerrow band from info recieved.

 

[thor369]

To me, it seems like the only way to grow indoors (at least in small spaces). No way you are scrogging a whole bedroom.


not true. i seen it. i am helping setup a 6 1000's for 4 plants each, for 24 plant scrog, each plant gets own screen, a 2'x2' that attaches to each single pot, so, they move around too. it will be 2 rows of 3 lights, each ovber a 4'x4' tray. 4 plants per tray

 

[Hulk Nugs]

To me, it seems like the only way to grow indoors (at least in small spaces). No way you are scrogging a whole bedroom.


not true. i seen it. i am helping setup a 6 1000's for 4 plants each, for 24 plant scrog, each plant gets own screen, a 2'x2' that attaches to each single pot, so, they move around too. it will be 2 rows of 3 lights, each ovber a 4'x4' tray. 4 plants per tray

that be sick to see if you get some pics or a journal going throw it my way..... that be sick to just do one plant scrog 6x6 screen or even bigger

 

[thor369]

a 6x6 is spreading light too thin. it is like 25 watts a Sq foot. you cant do 10 Sq ft, effectively with 250 watts, so, 36 Sq foot, from 1 light source is thin, and a 6x6 is to square to utilize 2 lights well.

you would do better, with a 4x8 SCrog, with two 1000's. that way, no plant top will ever be further then 2ft away from a bulb, unless you want it to be.

 

[thor369]

i am a small wheel, i grow up clones for him, and transport them to him. i can do a pic journal of his grow. i will see if he will do 1 himself, ok?

 

[smoote1987]

i am a small wheel, i grow up clones for him, and transport them to him. i can do a pic journal of his grow. i will see if he will do 1 himself, ok?

Haha you guys had me laughing pretty hard. Yea the thought of burning the whole place down went through my head. It's kinda a far off dream. I was thinking more along the lines of a small incinerator unit that was a growing chamber as well. I don't know i like to think outside the box. I'm so looking to start growing as a care taker or for my wife, legal is what i really want.

That scrog set up sounds nuts and sort of over kill, why scrog that many plants in that large of a room with that amount of light? It seems like you might be trying to hard, is the increase in yield worth all that hard work? These are legitimate curiosity driven questions no sarcasm here.

 

[jigfresh]

That scrog set up sounds nuts and sort of over kill, why scrog that many plants in that large of a room with that amount of light? It seems like you might be trying to hard, is the increase in yield worth all that hard work? These are legitimate curiosity driven questions no sarcasm here.

Haha, I like to answer for people. But here's what I think. You are only allowed a certain number of plants to grow... this person with the scroog has the rights to him and 3 others (4 x 6per) for 24 plants. If you wanted to go commercial to sell, there is no better way. I mean you could grow monsters outdoors, but only harvest 1 time per year. If this person has thor growing clones for them, they could have 24 flowering plants at once, 4 splitting 1000w would get some nice returns.

I mean I think it's a shit load of work too, but I also think you can get 2-3 times the yeild of just letting them grow. You could supercrop them all, but still, the scrog has to be the best if you do it right. And I'm not trying to tell you about screens like you don't know.

Let's just say for argument that I can pull a pound from my screen. Mines about 6.5 sq. feet with 650w. They are going 16 sq. feet with 1000w. (x6) I would think each 1000w could produce 2 pounds easy, that's 12 pounds there. Without the screen maybe 8 pounds. I would put in the extra work for an extra 4 pounds every 10 weeks or so.

It's really great this is all legal. (sorry poor guys that live elsewhere)

 

[thor369]

well put jiggy!!

you are so close.

he is covered for 50 plants. he wants 2 of those rooms, to pump out 8 to 10 Lb a month. with 2 eight liters, you can get a "every 5 week" harvest.

he will average lets say, 1.5 Oz per plant reg. 2.5 scrog normal, what if you scrog a 2'x2' area with 1 plant 8 weeks old? we are thinking 4 to 8 Oz a plant, so. 6 to 10 Lb a run, every 5 weeks. it will in largest go to 4 diff med card users in the family, and the rest to a club, for a hand to pay a slightly larger power bill.

and with 4 plants n a 4x8 area, 2 rows of these, you can walk down both sides of the grow, tucking in each plant. it isnt like some i seen where you got 4 plants thick, and do a curved stadium grow, and have a hydro problem, and have problems with mobilaty.

we are thinking, a 20"x20" area, leaves 4" between each plant, use 2in holes in chicken wire, 3 or 4 legs on it, and stick screen legs into soil/grow mix. need to move a pot, no problem.

 

[Survolte]

Haha, I like to answer for people. But here's what I think. You are only allowed a certain number of plants to grow... this person with the scroog has the rights to him and 3 others (4 x 6per) for 24 plants. If you wanted to go commercial to sell, there is no better way. I mean you could grow monsters outdoors, but only harvest 1 time per year. If this person has thor growing clones for them, they could have 24 flowering plants at once, 4 splitting 1000w would get some nice returns.

I mean I think it's a shit load of work too, but I also think you can get 2-3 times the yeild of just letting them grow. You could supercrop them all, but still, the scrog has to be the best if you do it right. And I'm not trying to tell you about screens like you don't know.

Let's just say for argument that I can pull a pound from my screen. Mines about 6.5 sq. feet with 650w. They are going 16 sq. feet with 1000w. (x6) I would think each 1000w could produce 2 pounds easy, that's 12 pounds there. Without the screen maybe 8 pounds. I would put in the extra work for an extra 4 pounds every 10 weeks or so.

It's really great this is all legal. (sorry poor guys that live elsewhere)

yah I think Im going to go scrog style when I get to that point. I need to cut clones here pretty soon. I wish this was legal everywhere...

 

[thor369]

i would luv to finally hit the 1 Gr per watt goal, but i will be happy with 2 Lb per light. thats 908 grams!! CLOSE ENOUGH!! i will accept 1.5 Lb per light, 6 lights, 9 Lb, not a bad months work. i get 1 Lb a month, for vegging all his clones and dilivering them monthly. *to cover his 2 month veg cycle*

and what you said,

I mean I think it's a shit load of work too[unquote]


it was close to blasphemy!! growing is never work, it is a luv of the pocketbook,er, heart! but really, like you said, if you are limited (we all are, by laws, space, time, genetics) you always aim to get the most you can, with what we are given to work with, right? so, if i got an exemption for lets say 90 plants,

and my "friend" has 50, and i grow 24 a month for him, 2 months in backlog, ofr a total of 48 for him.

i cut 24 new clones. take him 24 rooted 1's 2 months old, roughly 30" tall, to be squisahed down to 20" then, vegged for 1 week, then flipped into a 9 week flower cycle

this leaves me with 40 more numbers, so,

this 40 is for 10 mothers, and then, i will run 9 flowering plants a month, for my own personal to smoke. this leaves me with about 10 extra a month, so, at any time, i can have about 10 extra cutting a month. i figure i will go by the best 24 a month, keep a pile of clones ready to ship out, and best tallest 24 get shipped monthly.

this way, he gets his monster plants, i get 1 Lb a month, for cloning, and roughly, 1lb+ a month for my own flower room. (my 9 will be in a 4x4 area, i got a 4x8 hydro-hut i will run my 18 flowering plants in, 9 per month, per side)

i consume about 10 to 12 eights a week, i make eatables, my wife lost half a lung, and she too, uses eatables att, at 10 to 12 eights a week.

my other partner *family member* also eatables, and my mother also uses eatables, the only way we can recover the costs of our usages, with 3 generations of potheads and hippies, is a grow this size. i know, between my wife'n me, we use about 12 oz a month. i got three 1000'ers, so, my powerbills are in the $400 ranges, give or take $100, when i 1st grew, it was in a 5x5 room, one 1000'er, and i got averages of 1.1 to 1.4 Lb a grow, i used only 1 light, so, from seed, 4 months between harvests, 3 a year, and i always ran out, b4 2nd harvest.


(at a 454 Gr pound, not a 448 gram pound)

 

[thor369]

I wish this was legal everywhere...

i kn0ow this sounds wrong at 1st, but keep reading

you dont want LEGAL, you want decriminalized!!

if legal, (cigs, booze)

way bigger taxes, singled out to be extra taxed.

you cant make your own booze, it is sold by the state owned stored only in Oragon, you cant buy on sunday in arkansas, some countys are dry *ECT...ECT...*

if legal, you give big brother goverment too much control,

what if you was told you cant grow, and must buy goverment grown pot only?

how would you like to be told, you can only get 12% mexi, cuz the stronger strains are too "potent" to 1 new, younger med user, so we all get penalized for it?

*look at everclear!!

i use to get 192 proof*96% pure* everclear, with labels on it, about uver consumtion will kill, but know, all everclear is at 152 proof, or, 75% roughly.

big brother sez it is too strong, now we cant get.

if decriminalized, they can, instead of taxxes, sell a permit for a year, $500 per adult user, per household, to grow. then, big brother gets his check, but we keep him out of our grows, and we keep the grows in our pockets.

 

[dj crane]

I wish this was legal everywhere...

i kn0ow this sounds wrong at 1st, but keep reading

you dont want LEGAL, you want decriminalized!!

if legal, (cigs, booze)

way bigger taxes, singled out to be extra taxed.

you cant make your own booze, it is sold by the state owned stored only in Oragon, you cant buy on sunday in arkansas, some countys are dry *ECT...ECT...*

if legal, you give big brother goverment too much control,

what if you was told you cant grow, and must buy goverment grown pot only?

how would you like to be told, you can only get 12% mexi, cuz the stronger strains are too "potent" to 1 new, younger med user, so we all get penalized for it?

*look at everclear!!

i use to get 192 proof*96% pure* everclear, with labels on it, about uver consumtion will kill, but know, all everclear is at 152 proof, or, 75% roughly.

big brother sez it is too strong, now we cant get.

if decriminalized, they can, instead of taxxes, sell a permit for a year, $500 per adult user, per household, to grow. then, big brother gets his check, but we keep him out of our grows, and we keep the grows in our pockets.

legilLAZATION is agaisnt international law signed on by basiclly every U.N nation, it simply cannot happen without going agaisnt international law, which is doubtful will happen. I agree that we, as growers, do NOT want the government telling us to buy thier crap!! Your the man thor

 

[jigfresh]

I'll tell you what I'm happy about... The 5 purple kush clones sitting in my kitchen.

So... question: How do I water/ keep these things? I am going to be vegging under some floro's until the closet is free. So I have like 3 weeks of them just chillin on a bookshelf.

Is it possible to do a manual ebb and flow? How many times a day do those people feed, I could just pick each one up and dunk it for a few minutes a couple times a day.... Any ideas?

They are in rockwool plugs, like 1"x1".

I'm not super worried. I already done this stuff once before (well kinda).

 

[Hulk Nugs]

Sick man someone hooked you up i am guessing thats always nice

Yea hand water sucks i think its the worst, but oh well has to be done some times.

You could always just put them in small pots of soil or coco and just water when the top inch is dry......

ebbaflow is like three times a day watering in rockwool maybe only two depending on time frame of the soak

Already getting ready for the next grow you lucky fuk hahahahaha .....wait didnt you say you were going to dry in your growing room?? Did you find another place to dry ?

Wheres a Video jk but serious hahaha

 

[dj crane]

As you know by reading my journel, jigg, i am by no means a clone expert, but there has been a bit of input on the subject since i cut my clone, and from talking to the people on my journel, they say soil is best way, besides aeroponics, for clones. i dont know for sure, but thats what they said, my clone is dong ok

 

[smoote1987]

Yo jig, you could try my cloning set-up. It has been quite successful. The only thing that you would have to change from mine is to add net pots to hold the rock wool cubes and clones instead of the DIY collars i made. You might even be able to use the DIY collars, though it could look a little silly.

The things you would need are:

• A tubber ware container big enough for the clones (opaque is better than clear)
• Airline hose
• Air Pump
• Air Stone
• Net pots

Cut the holes for the net pots, place clones in pots (you may want to make "pac-man" lids for the let pots to shield the rock wool and and roots, clones will not root if there is even a small amount light on them)

If they're in rock wool cubes that probably means that they were in some sort of hydroponic culture before you got them. I guess i would just rather put them back into some form of hydroponics rather than soil. Especially since you're already using hydro, doesn't make sense to add soil to the mix. just my thoughts.

I also use just plain tap water no nutrients at all. However thats just to get the cutting to root and turn into a clone. Since you already have rooted clones (correct?), you may want to had a very low ppm, like a 100 or something depending on how big they are. Maybe even a slight bit more more if they're really big.

How big are they? Are the roots coming out of the rock wool cubes yet?

I'll take detailed pictures on how to make my aero cloner if you want. I kind of want to build a new and better one. Mine's getting kind of cruddy after so much use.

GL

 

[jigfresh]

Fella's I was unclear...

I can spend $0. Seriously. I'm broke. Cut off. At least for a couple weeks. So I need a solution with nothing extra.

I did buy 3 bins (.99 each). I'll make them opaque. I showed the bottom and top of the bins. I didn't know if mabye using the tops would be good as trays? What do you think.

Here's pics. Get a load of the last pic... I should call that plant medusa.

Also,

Thanks for the input guys.