lowryder 2 under 540watts t5 hydro

gezzy da snowman

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geezy- in that price range the Sunlight Supply lighting is the best quality.
Sunlight supply? is that just the company, should i get another 4 bulb t5ho or try a metal halide or something.

Also when should i start my current lowryders to 3x3000 and 1x6500 bulbs (they are 10 days old and are on 4x6500)
 

gezzy da snowman

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I checked out the floros you reccomended they are nice but i feel that a SunBright for $200 less at HTG would be more in my budget, i was willing to spend that if there was a better alternative to t5ho
 

uptosumpn

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SO WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS......Ok, so I just purchased 3 sunblaze light systems.....two 8 bulb & one 4 bulb,(the 4 bulb will have the 6500k daylight blue's for so-called vegging 50 LOWRYDERS IN 18oz party cups)... what do u think about using two 4' 8 bulb each HO T5 fluorecsent 3000k warm red bulb systems for ENTIRE FLOWERING cycle??? (@ 5000 lumens ea bulb, using 16 blubs total for canopy, that would equal out to 80,000 lumens, which is also equivilent to a 600HPS, (80,000-90,000 lumens) I also wanna get SIX 4' single strip HO T5's, (warm red also) and lay those on the floor parallel to the plants in each row for additional side, between & underneath lighting..as well as SEVEN 2' HO T5 6500k daylight blue single strips in all four corners & sides, (vertically hanging) @ 2000 lumens ea. these will add an additional 44,000 lumens for a total of 124,000 lumens!!! [[I know, I know, @ 54 watts a bulb x 22 warm red bulbs, and 24 watts a bulb x 7 daylight blue bulbs = 1,356 watts!!...which I know and hate that it is more than a 1000HPS....., effiency wise, the 1000HPS would be smarter choice and get more lumens with just that 1 light source (140,000) BUT, "RADIANT HEAT & FLIR" is what i am trying to avoid right now!!!!]] which is the "main reason" for using this type set-up...I am trying to have the lowest "radiant" heat emmiting from my grow tent, (56" x 56" x 78.75" ie; almost 25sf) growing 20-30 autos in 3 gallon bags,(6.5"w x 7"d x 13"h) that will be in my garage! (btw i live in hot *** S. Fla. and the summer is approaching) and yes, I know HPS is better, and I know how to cool the lights, ect, ect, but security is #1 priority where I am currently renting/livin, and I want to go with a 1000HPS, but to cool the light, run ducting, ect is too much for now, plus I will still be using garage to park a car, and i dont want anybody to see ducting all over the place....REMEMBER, I'M GROWING LOWRYDERS IN SOIL, (MY GOAL IS 2OZ PER PLANT DRY) AND THEY PROBABLY WONT GET ANY BIGGER THAN 2'....OH, I WILL ALSO BE USING DUTCH MASTER PENETRATOR & DUTCH MASTER LIQUID LIGHT FOLIER SPRAY TO INCREASE THE LIGHT INTENSITY/PENETRATION OF THE CANOPY SINCE FLORO'S DONT HAVE THE AMOUNT OF LIGHT INTENSISTY/PENETRATION AS HPS...WILL ALSO USE CO2 BOOST....SO WHATTA YA THINK?? WILL THIS SET-UP WORK??
:shock: I ALREADY HAVE THESE LIGHT SYSTEMS,(BRAND NEW, STILL IN BOXES) SO I'M STUCK, I HAVE TO USE EM....


snowman- you can grow any plant under any light. its yield that will be affected. with a high par rated bulb at 3000k up to 10000k the plant uses 3-7000 lumens per square foot. 7000 being the most obviously. as long as you have a par rating over 75 and within that kelvin range 7000 lumens is the most that a plant can absorb. i would not use cfls as they are very inefficient producing great par ratings and excellent colour spectrum but low lumens. if eficiency is the most important thing than t8 flouros are the top producer making the highest par and lumen combination with kelvin temps ranging from whatever you want. t5 regular are the next most efficient with similar values but lower lumen output per watt. then comes t5ho with same specs and even lower lumen output. yes t5hos are less efficient than reguar 1s. its not a typo. lol. then t12 with same specs and lower lumens still. then you finally get to spiral cfls. same specs with less lumens than all of them. there are positives and negatives to each. but t5ho is the densess lighting flouro you can buy=smallest surface area of bulb relative to the lumen output. and the lumen output is only slightly less than the 2 kinds above it. the 4 bulb fixture you have will easily handle 7 small plants perfectly. my lowryders were grown under t5ho and have now turned around and are yielding quite well. but after 400 watts flouros seem to become warm and cannot be cooled so hps might be the way to go. but they will both yield the same under their ideal growing conditions.
if you take a 4x4 area and place 400 watts of t5ho over it and the penetrating power of the light is recommended at 1 foot(made up #) and you fill the area with plants no more than that tall you will yield however much. if you place a 400 watt hps over the same area with the same sized plants you will yield nearly exactly the same. the higher par rating on the flouros makes up for the slightly less lumen output compared to the hps. ut the prob with flouros is that the penetration is limited to small plants and therefore shorter grows to keep them small. the grows i just mentioned would be the same timeframe otherwise its not fair to compare. the reason why hps can outyield flouros much of the time is because most people dont grow 1 foot plants and therefore are not using the lighting properly. so if you are willing to do a longer grow with slightly larger plants the hps will win because the flouros cant compete with the height of the plants. i have that 1 pick still of a guy yielding 2 pounds dry off a 400 and it took 12 months. is that really a 400 watt grow? his power bill would still have been huge. so when talking flouros vs hps they are roughly identical when growing plants in the shorter penetrating lightsoures optimum range(flouros) once you get out of the range of flouros than the penetrating power = more bud. but also longer grow. good luck man
 

1982grower

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upto- it will work but it will get hot. not directly over the plants but in radiating heat. but they will work perfect. i'll post pics of mine in 2 hours when i'm next to my camera. you will def not get 2 dry ounces per plant. you will out of a couple and maybe 3 out of the odd 1 but you will also get a few runts that bring your average yield per plant down. they will def stay under 2 feet. expect anout 14 grams dry off each. my hempstars only yielded slightly over 2 each and were pretty big and had many bats on them. you wont get 2 for sure. i did mess mine up a bit but they came back and i started picking small buds. the bud is actually very resinous and smells nice. but def your light setup will work but cooling the room will be a pain. youll be happy. with lowryder hps wouldnt make any difference. the par rating on your lights is very high compared to hps so it makes up for less lumens when growing short plants.

Snowman. glad you dound the lights you wanted. in canada sunlight supply is pretty big. yours wil work the same. you switch to flowering bulbs after fruiting starts. not when you switch to 12/12. that goes for bloom nutes too. at least most brands. on autos you could switch bulbs at second week of showing sex. but thats just my opinion based on non autos. not that much is researched on autos yet when getting that technical. either way i dont think it will make a huge difference. youll be fine. gonna post pics in a bit.
 

1982grower

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upto- misread something. you dont want lights with the lowest radiating heat. you want the lights that radiate heat the most. hps are what you dont want in the way of heat. t5s produce much less hot spots. thats why they are good to grow with. hps have the least radiant heat. meaning all the heat is directly around the bulb which burns plants. t5s are long skinny tubes that spread heat out evenly so it does not heat the bulb as much. but technically speaking all lighting setups produce the same amount of heat.
it works in btu's- 800 watts of light regardless of type produce 2730 btus of heat. hps will centre those btus directly around its small bulb. t5s need a larger surface area by far to produce 800 watts so the heat is spread out how ever many times the surface area difference is of the bulbs. but if your lights are all off and the room in the summer gets 80 degrees and with the lights on gets 100 you will need 2730 btu airconditioner to bring back to the natural 80 degrees. good luck man.
 

gezzy da snowman

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Thanks, and how many weeks does it normally take for lowryders to start fruiting. I was told way back to switch them after 2-3 weeks? Also should you clip the fan leaves off of lowryders? And my t5 fixture says its a 54watt, that doesnt seem like much and i got a somewhat expensive one, any thoughts?
 

1982grower

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geezy- if the fixture you got has only 1 bulb than its 54 watts. but 54 watts is only 1 t5ho 48 inch bulb. they mean 54 watts per bulb. def dont cut any leaves off the lowryder. i trimmed the bottom and i think i lost yield because of it. i swear when you see the way they flower after a few weeks youll know what i mean. mine flowered exactly to the day that the seed company said they would. males at 17 days and females a couple days later. they will be into budding after the 3rd week for sure. but dont trim anything. and with the lowryder at the end if you lower the temps just a bit even they turn completely purple. i dropped the temps from 90+ degrees to 81 now and they turned quite a bit. if i turned the temp to 60 for a couple days with the lights off they would be so purple it would surprise anyone. and they smell really nice. like citrus. man i have to post pics. been meaning to. they are getting big. my trics are 80% milky and 20 amber. 5 more days maybe. cant wait!!!
 

uptosumpn

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Just thought I should send you these 2 grow journals off of another site...As to what you just mentioned as far as yeild and what kind of light works with lowryders...ie; (Lowryder 2, and Ak_47 x Lowryder = Auto AK-47)http://www.marijuanapassion.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27951&page=9

http://www.marijuanapassion.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24553

The first one is a freind of a friends grow..who is my insperation...BTW he was using 2 1000hps, but his first grow he was using a 2 400HPS and had simular results with 10-15 plants....May take you a week to completly read both...BUT READ EM!!

I should haved just bought a 600HPS or 1000HPS with lumintek ballast & Radiant 6 A/C refector with a separate fan, (TD-150, 293CFM) to cool the light from the start!!!!!:evil::wall::wall::wall::wall: was just always worried/concerned about FLIR from dem damm heli's!!!that's what I bought the THERMAL-SHIELD FOR!!!!!!
MIGHT JUST HAVE TO RE-SELL THESE 2 EIGHT BULB FLORO'S SYSTEMS ON E-BAY OR CRAIGLIST OR SOMETING!!!:cry::spew:


upto- it will work but it will get hot. not directly over the plants but in radiating heat. but they will work perfect. you will def not get 2 dry ounces per plant. you will out of a couple and maybe 3 out of the odd 1 but you will also get a few runts that bring your average yield per plant down. they will def stay under 2 feet. expect anout 14 grams dry off each. my hempstars only yielded slightly over 2 each.. you wont get 2 for sure. i did mess mine up a bit but they came back and i started picking small buds. the bud is actually very resinous and smells nice. but def your light setup will work but cooling the room will be a pain. youll be happy. with lowryder hps wouldnt make any difference. the par rating on your lights is very high compared to hps so it makes up for less lumens when growing short plants.
 

1982grower

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we dont have thermal imaging here or every house would be busted on my street. lol. here are my plants after a MAJOR mistake during growth. they officially grew under about 500 watts. i stopped the hps because the weather is getting hot. they were only used fr about a week on these. they are ready anyday now. ill be on more now. i was dating some crazy chick but im not anymore. lol. didnt realize how much i was neglecting my babies. lol. and i guess they look ok for how bad they got it for 2 weeks. a few ounces for sure. and ive harvested the runt and 1 huge bud that was more amber. anyday now. ive been separating the seeds by quality and which plant they came off of. through the runt seeds away. kept the resonous plants seeds as first. second will be the large plants. they grew nice but for the extra 4 inches of height i would rather have the shorter denser genes. and potency. but they all are very resinous. def dont listen to anyone saying this strain is weak. its literally as good as makes a difference. you get baked. but if you harvest after 60 days than prob very premature. mine are about 80 days. ive heard this from many. tony yeyo said his easily went over 70.
 

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1982grower

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hey i just read that grow journal abit. i couldnt find the light setup. 21 autos with 2 ounces on every 1 sounds kinda sketchy. i dont know this person though. if they did get 2 ounces per plant than they had enough light to grow a much denser strain. i can assure you that every single person that ever grows that many lowryder from seeds will get runts. think about his grow. to get 21 nice females he may have planted 100 seeds and through out anything not rapidly growing. might have perfected it. this is my first time growing this strain. but ive used flouros and hps for flowering. and ive used a 1000 hps. i still dont necessarily believe it or he used much to much light for that yield.

ok-new thought came to me. i didnt see the light setup info. couldnt find. but if he got 1100 grams from even 2000 watts i would have a hard time believing it. it is a fact that this plant is a low yielder. not only because of height but flower to leaf ratio. he somehow managed to get no runts and .6 grams per watt with lowryder or ak. i kinda dought that alot honestly. if he had 3000 watts i might totally believe but then i would question why they would grow lowryder under 3000 watts. lol. you can never tell on the internet. but im highly skeptical. im always happy with my yield anyways so wouldnt lie. but it would be easy to add a couple ounces to turn an average grow into a great grow. just my opinion. it doesnt add up. but if you know the lights in the first 1 let me know.
 

roll420

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we dont have thermal imaging here or every house would be busted on my street. lol. here are my plants after a MAJOR mistake during growth. they officially grew under about 500 watts. i stopped the hps because the weather is getting hot. they were only used fr about a week on these. they are ready anyday now. ill be on more now. i was dating some crazy chick but im not anymore. lol. didnt realize how much i was neglecting my babies. lol. and i guess they look ok for how bad they got it for 2 weeks. a few ounces for sure. and ive harvested the runt and 1 huge bud that was more amber. anyday now. ive been separating the seeds by quality and which plant they came off of. through the runt seeds away. kept the resonous plants seeds as first. second will be the large plants. they grew nice but for the extra 4 inches of height i would rather have the shorter denser genes. and potency. but they all are very resinous. def dont listen to anyone saying this strain is weak. its literally as good as makes a difference. you get baked. but if you harvest after 60 days than prob very premature. mine are about 80 days. ive heard this from many. tony yeyo said his easily went over 70.

Crazy how shit can go down hill so fast....1982....i guess at least their still alive and you will get some smoke....girls, you gotta love em....:hump:
 

gezzy da snowman

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Hey guys i just finished my 2nd setup however i forgot to get an extra veg bulb so i currently have 1 bloom 3 veg on 12 day old lowryder ak. Think this is alright or should i just go pickup another veg bulb. Also i have 4 veg bulbs on my new 4 ft and was wondering if a 4" circular fan blowing directly on them was enough for 5-6 plants?
 

uptosumpn

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THAT'S WHY i SAID READ EM!!! YOU SAID YOU READ A BIT...BOTH GJ HAVE OVER 15 PGS EACH!!! AND THE LIGHTS ON THE FIRST GJ ARE 2 X 1000hps AND THE SECONG GJ IS 600hps READ EM AND YOU WILL SEE! AND YOU CAN GET 2OZ PER PLANT DRY OFF AUTOS..THAT'S WHY I SENT U THESE GJ IN THE FIRST PLACE...READ EM THROUGH-OUT AND YOU'LL SEE WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!! BOTH OF THE PEOPLE HAVE 2 GROWS EACH SO I DONT THINK ITS BS..:peace:

hey i just read that grow journal abit. i couldnt find the light setup. 21 autos with 2 ounces on every 1 sounds kinda sketchy. i dont know this person though. if they did get 2 ounces per plant than they had enough light to grow a much denser strain. i can assure you that every single person that ever grows that many lowryder from seeds will get runts. think about his grow. to get 21 nice females he may have planted 100 seeds and through out anything not rapidly growing. might have perfected it. this is my first time growing this strain. but ive used flouros and hps for flowering. and ive used a 1000 hps. i still dont necessarily believe it or he used much to much light for that yield.

ok-new thought came to me. i didnt see the light setup info. couldnt find. but if he got 1100 grams from even 2000 watts i would have a hard time believing it. it is a fact that this plant is a low yielder. not only because of height but flower to leaf ratio. he somehow managed to get no runts and .6 grams per watt with lowryder or ak. i kinda dought that alot honestly. if he had 3000 watts i might totally believe but then i would question why they would grow lowryder under 3000 watts. lol. you can never tell on the internet. but im highly skeptical. im always happy with my yield anyways so wouldnt lie. but it would be easy to add a couple ounces to turn an average grow into a great grow. just my opinion. it doesnt add up. but if you know the lights in the first 1 let me know.
 

Hash Lover

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Congrats on the new purchase hashlover...What size space are you putting the new 600 in? You will deff see some results!!

Right now i have a 2 1/2 by 2 1/2 space and i cant deciede what to get a 400 or 600... the 600 setup i want is almost the same price as the 400.....

Would a 600 be to much for that space...i mean, if not, i guess i could expand.... i plan to get a cooltube...with a nice exhaust fan... so it should be cool?

What kinda reflector did you get hash?:peace:
Hey roll, thanks man. Ya, I love the upgrade to the 600w. Double the lumens with only 200 more watts. And for the same price as a 400w. If you can I would deffinitly go with a bigger space and get a 600 if you can. But the 2 1/2 x 2 1/2 is a great size for a 400. Little small for a 600 I think. I read somewhere that 75w per sq ft should be the most you should have. The flower space I have now is 5 1/2 x 3. But I made a movable panel and hung the light in a way so that I can move it side to side to ajust the size according to the plants I have in at a time. Right now it is 3x4 feet with 9 plants. I was going to use the 400 along with the 600 but get a new 400 ballast but I think I will get another 600 instead. Just so much more light for the price. And the 5 1/2 x 3 would be great with 1200w. I could grow plants 2-3 feet tall if I want. Still working on the method that I want to use for spacing. Still thinking 3 plants in a row with 6 rows giving me 18 plants. And doing a rotating harvest so I will be taking out 3 or 6 at a time. I'll try to get some pic today. I need to change the way the reflector is hanging to get a better spread of the light. This is the reflector I got. I wanted a big one. This one was pretty good for the price and has glass. Gotta have that to keep cool. I like a regular style reflector over a cool tube, just seems they would reflect the light better. http://www.nehydro.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=38_46&products_id=366&zenid=f7fcfc5a683fd4d237849fa6a056c3c7
 

Hash Lover

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And I got the stuff there at New England Hydro since I can drive there in about 45 min. Once I had the money to buy it I didn't want to wait to get one shipped. Next one I'll get off Ebay, I can get a way better price. Plus it was a nice stone ride there and back.
 

1982grower

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guys. weird news. my province has a no drinking and driving rule now. no matter what class of licence you have you cant drink 1 shot or anything and drive. kinda overkill. my babies are getting more and more amber. no nutes for at least 2 weeks now and without cure the buds are amooth as you could care about. only picked a little so far. maybe 8 dry grams.
ive been thinking about that 2000 watt grow. that would be a record for lowryder. honestly i cant read 15 or more pages but 2000 watts and 2 pounds 8 ounces is def a record for lowryder. 0.6 grams for good yielding plants is pretty decent and this strain is not considered that. i cant claim to know that grow. its internet. but with the math thats def a record yield. and just te fact that someone would grow lowryder under 2000 watts is fishy. maybe itn wasnt lowryder. not sure. i wont say it didnt happen though because i dont know personally. but still skeptical.
 
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