SpruceZeus
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Dude...
Greenhouse makes some fine products.
The Church
The fact of the matter is, some of their strains are pretty unstable. But if you can find a cherry phenotype you'll be dancing.
Don"t buy ai from greenhouse!!!
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Greenhouse makes some fine products.
The Church
The fact of the matter is, some of their strains are pretty unstable. But if you can find a cherry phenotype you'll be dancing.
bakinville
Active Member
spruce she looks vry.good..whiteberry i tend to agree GH sucks as evidence they are no longer breeding reg. seeds..reason they have no genetics so they have to fem. everything just to have stock to offer..sad but true..we all must learn for ourselves and when these peeps grow some real genes they'll see as well..i just finished some mange haze that put anything from GH i've grown to shame..
whulkamania
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It isn't there fault, it is yours because you don't know how to grow a fucking plant.
Brick Top
New Member
Green House Seeds isn’t doing any breeding and it isn’t coming out with any new strains? Interesting.
　
I guess Green House Seeds Kings Kush and Bubba Kush and Super Lemon Haze and Jack Herer and Kaia Kush are not really fairly recent additions to the line of Green House Seeds. Evidently they bred them in the past and just sat on them and only started releasing them later on after they lost all their genetics. Right?
I wonder how many breeders travel the world looking for very difficult to find strains to then use them for breeding like Arjan does?
　
http://www.strainhunters.com/index1.htm
smppro
Well-Known Member
Greenhouse seeds have won over 30 cannabis cups. Kinda hard to do that with strains that suck. Some people can grow good weed from bag seed and some people grow shitty weed with good seeds. There are enough grows and judges to back up greenhouse seeds, sorry. Im growing trainwreck,cheese,lemon skunk, all fem and some of the nicest looking plants ive grown yet.
Rempster
Active Member
I have one AI plant 6 weeks into flowering. My plant looks exactly like the pic on the first page. It also continues to keep growing tall. I just keep bending it. I'm using 400 watts and this is not by far my first time. From what I've read about this strain on this site is that there are more than one pheno type's. One person wrote that his were ready in 12 to 13 weeks. Must be what I have. By the way, I have 4 other strains sitting right next to the Alaskan Ice and they are growing very different (normal) and only have about 2 weeks left. I want to finish this plant to see if it's worth the time.
danrasta
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hey bricktop whats the story with the jack herer and kaia kush i seen them and chemdog on pic n mix seeds saying they're coming sound but when i checked greenhouse seeds site they had no mention of them?
bakinville
Active Member
you missed the point, they are femming everything bcuz they have to..slh is ssh by lemon skunk, they don't have the mother's of ssh only seeds of it so they have to cross it ,femm it or make f2's..same with the kushes they have clones but have to fem them or cross them to another strain which would make them only 1/2 kush..i mean come on what other reason is there for femming everything..i did'nt say you could'nt get a nice plant for them i just said that compared to some other breeders they are NOT as good..i've grown some of their strains and no they don't compare to many others out there..try some real ssh by mns who has the mothers there is a vast difference..try some kush from the cali connection or og raskal, another vast difference..GH is for armchair growers who only want femmed seeds..they are only after money..
and whulkamania i was growing when you still in suckin' on your mama's nip..
and whulkamania i was growing when you still in suckin' on your mama's nip..
bakinville
Active Member
oh yeah the reason the chemdog is so late coming out is that chemd has a nasty habit of turning hermie and well trying to femm it is proving disasterous for gh..i mean get a grip guys and do a side by side sometime you'll see what i mean..and jach herer has been around for a long time..ooohh they got some seeds to fem or stick people with f2's again..
Don Gin and Ton
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christ some folks just like raining on parades, theres nothing wrong with CFL#s for growing theres a million pics of cfl grows on here with awesome buds. theres also several grows with AI that look exactly the same, its the genetics dude look VVV
these are from my man westies grow journal
and this is the family shot to show it aint owt to do with the lighting...(ai far left)
these are from my man westies grow journal
and this is the family shot to show it aint owt to do with the lighting...(ai far left)
Brick Top
New Member
So what you are saying is having a clone is not having genetics. So no one has true TrainWreck genetics since for a number of years it was only available in clone form and that is how breeders got their TrainWreck. And you are also saying that having a female clone used as a mother it is not the same as the mother it came from, right? You are saying it is not the same genetics, right? You are saying that using a clone as a mother to breed with other plants does not create a new strain, right?
　
Do you know how many strains over the decades have come from crossing a cloned mother with other strains?
　
Green House Seeds is going heavy into feminized beans because that is all the rage right now, it is where the money is and doing that is an intelligent business move. If you look at Green House Seeds website it says their sales went up 150% in the last year. Now there is no way to know if that is accurate or not but I would not doubt it.
　
When you look at the price of feminized beans when they first came out, and how some breeders still price their feminized beans, Green House Seeds has done a good job brining down the prices of feminized beans and by doing so have grabbed a large portion of the market.
　
You claimed that Green House Seeds does not have any genetics. Well what happened to the genetics from the large number of Cup winners from the past? We all know that White Widow went with Shantibaba when he sold his portion of Green House Seeds and started Mr. Nice Seeds and renamed the original White Widow Black Widow but what happened to the rest? What happened to the Cup winning genetics that came along after that? Did it all vanish in the night?
　
I am not claiming that Green House Seeds has the very best genetics of all breeders. What I am saying is that it has good genetics and the Green House Seeds line is a very good value for your dollar for most growers. When you compare the cost of many breeders beans, many for regular beans, Green House Seeds gives you a true value for your dollar when you compare price and quality and yield. I will not say that Green House Seeds are better overall but they are a better value for many people.
　
You seem to be very down on feminized beans but have you ever put yourself into the shoes of someone who grows in a small box or small closet where they do not have room to grow eight or ten or more plants in hopes of getting enough females to get them enough of a yield to get them through or most of the way through until their next harvest?
　
One of my friends purchased a pack of Serious Seeds AK47 (an 11-pack). He has room for six plant maximum where he grows so he popped six beans and of those six beans he got one female. It yielded well but it was not near enough to get him through until his next harvest. Of the remaining five beans he got three females. So from an 11-pack he ended up with four female plants. Now I like Serious Seeds very much, I think they have great genetics, and I have to believe his low percentage of females to males was definitely below average but it did happen to him and because of him using regular beans much of his highly limited grow space was left unused and was not productive as it needs to be for him to be able to cover his needs. To pour salt into the wound he spent around $100.00 for the beans plus shipping of course.
　
Now he buys feminized beans and unless a plant or plants die the worst that happens to him is he gets a hermi and then can chose to toss it or risk seeds and when he has risked seeds he has been lucky and only get a handful so to him it is way more than worth purchasing feminized beans and he is not alone, there are many in the same boat as he is. Not everyone is in a situation where they can pop enough beans to assure that after the males have been removed they will have enough females left, or any for that fact if they have a very limited amount of space and can only pop a few beans at a time and they use regular beans.
　
Green House Seeds is just very intelligent in taking advantage of that marketplace and also the current favorable mood of most buyers and cashing in on it. If the trend reverses some day you will see Green House Seeds offering regular beans again.
bakinville
Active Member
brick top i said GH was fine..they are good value..i just said in comparison they are not as good as others..no arguement here..i do fems sometimes i just prefer to buy the originals and regs when i can..but i do think their genetics are suspect, hence my reason for them making only femmed seeds..it is a possibility i'm right..but neither of us knows for sure cuz we don't worhk there..but i have gotten very unusual growth from their seeds at times..the AI above looks just like the el nino i did and i run a 1000w hps and i have seen very good cfl grows on here too
.suspect genes in my book..i know not every breeder is perfect..actually i've been wanting to try SLH just a little leary is all..i'm not trying to make anyone feel bad for using GH either but many experience less than satisfactory results..i did do a side x side and there was a vast difference in growth and effect..and as far as fems go i found paradise seeds to be excellent..potentcy and consistent growth patterns..
honestly i am on disability and i experiment an awful lot with various breeders, as i do have a basement and extra bedrooms, so this is just an opinion from one person..it is not scientific just my observations..
.suspect genes in my book..i know not every breeder is perfect..actually i've been wanting to try SLH just a little leary is all..i'm not trying to make anyone feel bad for using GH either but many experience less than satisfactory results..i did do a side x side and there was a vast difference in growth and effect..and as far as fems go i found paradise seeds to be excellent..potentcy and consistent growth patterns..
honestly i am on disability and i experiment an awful lot with various breeders, as i do have a basement and extra bedrooms, so this is just an opinion from one person..it is not scientific just my observations..
Brick Top
New Member
I better understand what you are saying and I could more or less agree with much of it but I still see things somewhat different in certain regards. If you, or someone, does a side by side comparison f the same strain name seeds there will almost always be a certain amount of difference since in most cases it will be a comparison of knockoff to knockoff or knockoff to original. Especially in the case of a knockoff to original comparison if the original is say a Cup winner you could very well see a dramatic difference but that could easily be understandable. Whether or not that is acceptable to someone is in the mind of each individual but for example for someone to grow a knockoff Blueberry or a knockoff AK47 or a knockoff White Widow and compare it to the originals they simply cannot expect the quality of genetics and they have to factor in the difference in price and what the final results are and then decide if the genetics were worth it or not.
　
I think that everyone who can afford it should purchase original genetics of everything as much as possible but for various reasons many people cannot do that. It can be because of price or it can be as I mentioned them having the need to go with feminized beans due to lack of space and needing to maximize what space they have for production and it could be a combination of both and in some cases it can be because they simply do not know there is a difference in genetics and they believe if they buy Breeder Xs strain Y for less they have found themselves a whopping great deal so they go with it over the original or some higher grade knockoff.
　
You said Green House Seeds is for armchair growers but think about it a while, most growers are just that. There are very few people who are really educated in true breeding. A fair number do breed but they are for the most part just pollen tossers who make crosses from very limited numbers of parent plants and seldom if ever stabilize their crosses.
　
Even consider what many here, and on other similar sites, that grow for profit and what they say they look for in a strain. Short flowering time, high yield and bag appeal. Most do not pick the highest-grade genetics. They mainly look for what will most easily turn a good profit in the shortest period of time. If that were not the case you would see most who grow for profit growing very different strains than most now grow.
　
What most who grow for personal consumption want is something that is definitely better than what they can normally purchase on the streets and for it to be way more inexpensive in the end. If they get that they are more than just happy and if someone is even a half decent growers if they use decent genetics it is not difficult to top the quality of average herb from the local independent pharmaceutical agent. If they can do that with beans that cost $30.00 to $50.00 most will do it before they spend much more, especially if they are regular beans that means at least some will be males.
　
Just use White Widow for an example. Think about how many times you have seen messages and threads where the member said they are/were growing White Widow and then you would see a string of messages soon to follow where other members said they grew or were growing White Widow. How many times in those threads or messages did you read where someone said they were growing the original White Widow that is called Black Widow? Personally I cannot remember seeing a single message here where someone said they were growing Black Widow and instead said they grew Seedsman seeds White Widow or Green House Seeds White Widow or any number of other breeders White Widow. Think about how many times you have likely seen where someone said they were growing Blueberry but again how many times did they or anyone who responded say they were growing the original Blueberry but instead were growing a knockoff, like maybe Joey Weeds Blueberry. (By the way I think Joey Weed is underrated. I am not saying he is the best but again when you consider value for the dollar he has some good values in his line.)
　
My point is just that most people for reasons of cost or being uninformed or what could be a list of others reasons do not normally purchase the highest genetics available. If it is by choice the way I see it is if you willfully purchase a Chevrolet you really do not have any reason or right to later complain that it is not a Mercedes. If someone is tricked by false advertisement they do have a right to complain but in the case of ignorance it is still their fault because they did not first take the time to research and educate themselves before making their purchase.
　
I have grown a good number of Green House Seeds strains over the years but not all of its line by any means so there may very well be some strains in the line that are more inconsistent than others and of course if compared to other breeders strains of the same name differences can of course be expected. But in the strains that I have grown within those strains I have not seen any more or much more inconsistency than I have in all but the very highest quality strains I have grown. In what I have grown they are equally or better in consistency to most other breeders strains of the same name and only beat by the very best and they do beat out the lesser breeders strains of the same name.
　
I think where most complaints come from are from people with champagne taste who have a beer budget. They buy knockoffs that are inexpensive compared to the originals or to high-grade knockoffs and then later complain that they did not get what the other guy got. I also think that in at least a percentage of cases it is the growers fault, at least in that they do not have an equal setup to what someone else has but still expects the same or nearly the same results.
　
In those cases it makes me think back to my car days when we would sell someone a car and they would bring it back in with a complaint and the mechanics would go over it inside and out, from front to back and from top to bottom and would so very often come back with the same diagnosis, that being the problem was; "there was a loose nut sitting in front of the steering wheel."
In many cases it all comes down to perception and perception is not always reality.
NoSaint
Well-Known Member
Thats exactly what the AI i had growing did. I just threw it away about two weeks ago. All my other plants are good except for that one...
christ some folks just like raining on parades, theres nothing wrong with CFL#s for growing theres a million pics of cfl grows on here with awesome buds. theres also several grows with AI that look exactly the same, its the genetics dude look VVV
these are from my man westies grow journal
and this is the family shot to show it aint owt to do with the lighting...(ai far left)
bakinville
Active Member
brick top you hit the nail on the head i think..see i do not grow for profit or to sell at all.just personal and i guess i do try to get the best possible at all times..hate to say but i am somewhat of a pollen chucker too..thanks for the informative and very friendly conversation..one thing i do like and repspect is everyon's opinion..honestly in this game of growing i find opinions to be very valuable when considering a purchase..i don't keep mothers either as i like way too much variety..i am always growing something new every grow,except mango haze it always in bloom..if i knew you and was close to you i would turn you on to it..it has become my fav over anything else..thanks for opening my eyes a bit and thinking about it in a new light..peace
gangjababy
Well-Known Member
There have been a lot of complaints about greenhouse, some of them are valid. I've seen enough grows where folks had subpar herb that were experienced growers.
It's enough to convince me not to waste my time with greenhouse.
bakinville
Active Member
down on chill and read , i said gh was fine..we just having an informed convo on why gh was going all femmed seeds and their genetics compared to the originals..you want to grow gh great..all i said was do a side x side against an original and there would be a vast difference..if you don;t want to hear the truth grow then grow out gh and the originals and find out for yourself..i myself would always rather have the original than a knock off..but i don't grow for cash and don't have to worry what i spend so to me it's a no brainer..150.00 for 20 original ssh or 100.00 for 10 femmed f2's at attitude..yes gh has f2's of the original so don't try to say they have the originals..once again it's the age old question quality or quantity..growers pick..
Dr.WhiteWeed
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Ok, many ppl seem to have this problem with AI. I've grown many other strains and none were crap like this. You ppl who think i did something are stupid because i've grown more weed than u'll ever see in your lifetime.