Lollipop lollipop, Oh lolli lolli lolli, Lollipop lollipop....

Ichi

Ichi

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No, this is not a Cordettes fan post.

I have been looking all over the interwebs for a guide or even a good explanation of how to lollipop your plants into flowering. I have seen little bits of info here and there but no single method. Have any of you ever heard of a guide or something?

If you feel the need tell me why you think lollipopping sucks, cool, but you better be able to tell me what and who's instructions you followed or the rules you played by otherwise you are just wasting everyone's time. :dunce:
 
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Ichi

Ichi

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Lollipopping in theory is removing as much foliage as possible to focus growing energy on just the buds. Ideally you would get one giant fat cola.
 
Treeth

Treeth

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I have understood it as trimming all the side branches that would otherwise be producing bud...

The idee' is to force the plant into focusing solely on the main top cola, as it is the only one left~

(There is no need to trim shade leaves, as these will drop on thier own when the plant no longer needs them)

This procedure is typically associated with cuttings that don't even have time to really veg out any significant side branches,
although it will try to do so,

and eliminating them allows you to plant in high densities, and if there is enough you can even call it SOG!

I do not know personally if this means a higher yield yet, however, as a personal grower I see no reason to produce the less desirable side buds, and would want the plant to be focusing on the cola that is receiving the most light anyways...

As artificial lighting does not penetrate well enough to significantly fatten the lower buds.

I think the logic is that the side buds steal the hard work of the top bud.

I don't want that. ;)
 
wilsoncr17

wilsoncr17

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Lollipopping is the simple idea of reducing the plant to what is going to bud for any production.

Basically if it's not essential for the grow, you get rid of it.

What exactly isn't essential for the grow you ask?

Well that's simple. You know those whispy buds that are good for rolling joints but your not doing anything else, yeah, well thats just a waste, get rid of those.

You are also going to remove those fan leaves as well. Fan leaves only generate growth for the bud they are supporting, so if your not growing bud there, don't grow a leaf either.

The basic principal is to remove excess material to allow maximum airflow, and light penetration.

So if your light isn't really hitting the bud, your just wasting energy, all that energy, can go into your top buds.

You can do it with just 1-4 main colas, or you can do it with an LST, SCROG, whatever it works great.

For more answers on lollipopping and another technique known as "flagging", see www.urbangrower.com, volume 35.

Happy Growing! :leaf:
 
wilsoncr17

wilsoncr17

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Dr. Greenhorn said:
^^hows your moonlight project going?
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Actually that won't be getting going until next month, in the process of moving so I had to scale back on experiments and focus more on supply. But I'll definitely keep everyone posted. Look for that bump....



...wait a minute....

..HEY!

...you little bastards smoking weed?!?!

..get over here.....


..let me hit that.


Sorry. I didn't mean to scare you.

^^^
Fucking lunatic.
 
Treeth

Treeth

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Really?

I believe you on the fan leaf thing...

The metaphor I was accustomed to was the use as fan leaves as store houses for ready available nutrients, most famously nitrogen.

If a fan leave gets no light, will it always start to die?

Why not let the plant pull everything from it first?

I'm sure its not that much in actuality though...
 
Bud Frosty

Bud Frosty

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I have also heard the term 'Lollypopping' to describe the act of topping the main shute or multiple shutes to promote lower growth and 2 tops on each shute but, leaving the fan leaves intact.
 
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disposition84

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Bud Frosty said:
I have also heard the term 'Lollypopping' to describe the act of topping the main shute or multiple shutes to promote lower growth and 2 tops on each shute but, leaving the fan leaves intact.
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The whole reason they call it lollipopping is because of the large dense cola on top and the bare undergrowth, looking a lot like a lollipop.

What you're referring to is topping or fimming.
 
morrisgreenberg

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yes, lollipopping is perfect for sog setups, i dont think anyone hit on this yet, i can grow out5 plants vegg them for a while and procue a QP, if i do a sog-lollipop i can BUNCH them together, cut off the lower 1/4 of the plant that wont get any light, the bunched up plants will not block out other neighboring plants, and the side pranches wont compete with light and will let good air flow go through, this way, you will not vegg long at all, i prefer 16inch finished plants, about 10grams a plant i would need 10 of these lil fuckers to achieve what 4 or 5 vegged plants would, upside is little to no vegg time
 
bubblegumwidow

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this is a subject I have interest in. my last grow the plants were very branchy and I had plenty of little popcorn nugs that werent worth their weight. here are 2 pics of my largest girl (bubblegum from serious seeds) and as you can see she is quite brachy as well. I grow with a 250w HID and a few CFL's for supplemental light. I always trim the bottom quarter when they are still in veg to promote upper growth and good airflow but as they get taller that bottom quater turns up looking like a tenth instead. I am 2 weeks into flower now and wondering when is the deadline so to speak if I am considering removing more lower growth. without messing with the 8-9 week flower time that is. also I heard that leaving fan leaves on nodes were growth braches were cut wont do anything negative. just let them fall off if they stop doing their job I guess. what do you guys think?:confused:
 

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morrisgreenberg

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your plant is super stretchy, lower you light if you can, its very late in the game to chop of the bottom parts there, you would be cutting off the long side shoots, and right now they make up a large part of your plant, lollipoping is not a one time trimming, its maintaining it down there, Lollying is best for when you intend on flowering immediatly, like after a clone has rooted well or when a seedling is 8-10 inches, works best when you intend on having lots of small plants and having faster turn around, like i said if you got the clones to do it, you wont need to veg plants for months to get the same yield
 
wilsoncr17

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Treeth said:
Really?

I believe you on the fan leaf thing...

The metaphor I was accustomed to was the use as fan leaves as store houses for ready available nutrients, most famously nitrogen.

If a fan leave gets no light, will it always start to die?

Why not let the plant pull everything from it first?
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The argument for flagging is that the leaf really isn't providing any nutrient to the plant, in fact its using nutrients to be alive.

You can argue the buds use those nutrients, but they don't, they use the perfectly regulated feed system of man.

Remember, in nature, plants need to store nutrients because you never know if there will be more, but in the man made environment, they won't need that stored energy.

My opinion has always been that the bud only need the fan leaves to collect light energy, and that's why you only need fan leaves that correspond to a specific bud.

A lot of arguments are made for and against, but I say try it, the proof is in the pudding...


...but the puddings actually weed, which isn't as exciting once you've smoked the weed and realize there is no pudding.

:leaf:
 
morrisgreenberg

morrisgreenberg

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wilsonCR, i have seen you on a few threads latley, i must say, your word is gold my friend...for the rest of you guys on the thread, listen to the man, it doesnt take much to see he knows his stuff +rep brother
 
morrisgreenberg

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tat2ue, this is a Textbook example on sog/lollipopping, everyone should pay attetnion to how close the plant sites are, and look at how much light is getting through, its a forrest that you can actually see through, now i seen on seemorebuds an aquamist system that was not lollied, the guy wound up with mold issues...just perfect bro rep to you
 
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