Intelligent design

slipperyP

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What would you have to see in order to accept the theory of evolution as the origin of human beings and all other forms of life we see?

I'm confused as to why the ID crowd thinks it's impossible.
There is going to have to be alot more then some of the other missing links such a piltdown man, lucy, and probabally this new leemer.

I know whatever it is that convices me it won't be a 2 hour long documentary that costs a fortune to produce and is made up of bad actors and animations. They better come hard with this leemer shit....not like the super gay documentary on man living with neaderthals. That was some straight BS.

Part of the problem I have is the people that want you to believe it so bad are the same A-holes that snuck aspertame in as a low calorie replacement for sugar.

Initialy it was clasified as a chemical weapon by the pentagon. Rumsfelt made 12 million dollars in 1977 as the company that got it passed the FDA. Then it got shot down till the first day of ron regan where 12 senators and tons of others were paid off.

The big business that has run the schools...setting curiculum are the same people that bring you world banking, floride for your water, aspertame....and evolution.

They hate you having god given rights, they want you to die before you are old.

Your just a bunch of chemicals with no soul...get chipped, it will be cool and trips to walmart will be simple and easy with no lines, it'll be great.
 

slipperyP

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I don't think it funny but from a point of view of a global murdering group of tyrants....Aspertame is perfect. It stimulates your apetite so when you have a diet coke because your needing to cut calories and loose a few pounds...You actually get hungry. Now if you have a diet coke..why not another aspertame product, they have thousands to choose from......Fat People Beware...they don't want you to live...in tests aspertame causes cancer and eats holes in the brains of rats...they put in kids vitamins...lol
 
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PadawanBater

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There is going to have to be alot more then some of the other missing links such a piltdown man, lucy, and probabally this new leemer.
What kind of "missing link" are you talking about? Everytime a legitimate 'missing link' is discovered, that side always says it's a hoax or it's just some other form of 'monkey' and has nothing to do with human origins... That side HAS TO BE SPECIFIC. You can't just say "it'll take a lot more than what there is..." because that's not saying anything. You tell us what you want us to find, we'll tell you if the theory would even permit it (because half the time they ask for something like a 'croco-duck' which is impossible using the theory of evolution -- but they don't understand that, which is another reason alltogether they don't believe the theory...) then we'll go out and look for it, and it'll probably take a really really long time to find, as fossils are insanely rare. So, what would you need to see, EXACTLY, to convince you the theory is accurate?

I know whatever it is that convices me it won't be a 2 hour long documentary that costs a fortune to produce and is made up of bad actors and animations. They better come hard with this leemer shit....not like the super gay documentary on man living with neaderthals. That was some straight BS.
Havn't heard much about the new lemur shit, there is already enough evidence without it.

Part of the problem I have is the people that want you to believe it so bad are the same A-holes that snuck aspertame in as a low calorie replacement for sugar.
Havn't heard anything about that. But do you realize that litterally millions of independant people study, research, and use the theory of evolution every single day? How could there be a conspiracy like you suggest with so many people working and using it every day successfully?

Initialy it was clasified as a chemical weapon by the pentagon. Rumsfelt made 12 million dollars in 1977 as the company that got it passed the FDA. Then it got shot down till the first day of ron regan where 12 senators and tons of others were paid off.
Again, havn't heard anything about this, but we don't need any of that to put Rumsfeld away for life, we've got that guy on much worse shit.

The big business that has run the schools...setting curiculum are the same people that bring you world banking, floride for your water, aspertame....and evolution.

They hate you having god given rights, they want you to die before you are old.

Your just a bunch of chemicals with no soul...get chipped, it will be cool and trips to walmart will be simple and easy with no lines, it'll be great.
That sounds a little far fetched man...
 

mindphuk

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I watched the vids...I appreciate the data...Im waiting to see one that dosen't make me feel dumber then before i watched it. For the record I think hovind is a douche bag. I do like walt brown.

ArronRa stated mostly personal attacks with very little science that had to do with ID or Creation of the earth or anything...just a rant poll after poll isn't science.
this is a good quote from him i did see
"all positve cliams be based on testable evidence" This is what he claims is science, this is not what i have seen from evolution, origin of life, or stellar evolution.

the other point he made that was good is "belief dosen't equal knowledge" This is the reason neither ID or Evolutuion shouldn't get into publicly funded education.

adaptation is testable...animals after their own kind. Turning from an ape to a person...that is what seams like magic.

If you listen close one of the video's says the universe at once was smaller then a proton. I know that isn't testable.

Here is a link to walt brown.
http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/
Wait, you watched hundreds of hours worth of video in 6 hours? As we have already said, your understanding of the basic scientific principles is so severely lacking, you really cannot adequately debate this. Evolution is not a belief, it is as much as scientific theory as atomic theory, germ theory, the theory of gravity. It is the fundamental principle behind all of biology and supported by a convergence of many scientific disciplines.

So you don't like Hovind but you use his arguments, his and Brown's are mostly straw men that misrepresent what science says, just like you are doing. The fact that you bring up stellar evolution and the Big Bang is evidence you are parroting Hovind or Brown or whatever creationist of the day says with decade old debunked claims tells me that you have no real knowledge about these topics. If I wanted to learn about the bible would you send me to an atheist? Why do you go to creationist to learn about evoulution?
 

hom36rown

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If you don't know what spirit or soul is, you probably don't got one, you animal you. I wonder, what do you athiests have to look forward to after death. Fade to black. Do you think in a universe so large there can't be a God or creator? Do you actually believe this is all random shit. I find it impossible to believe in random theory, The goo got hit with lightning and here we are, rediculous. If there is nothing to look forward to after death, what's to stop you from being the worst assholes on the planet, Ohhh, now I get it, you are.
I am not an asshole, because I have a conscience. Believe it or not, you can be an ethical person without believing in heaven or hell.
 

mindphuk

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I am not an asshole, because I have a conscience. Believe it or not, you can be an ethical person without believing in heaven or hell.
Don't you love this argument that some theists use?

Med is basically saying that without the threat of eternal damnation, he would be a completely amoral person and somehow this fantasy/ belief keeps him in line.

Med, how do you explain cohesive social structures and moral behavior among the lowly animals? Why are there similar morality among various religions, including non-theist religions like Buddhism?

An atheist understands that we only have this one life, one chance to get it right. If anyone should be amoral, I would think it would be the ones that think they get another chance, that death isn't the end of the journey.

Morals don't come from god or religion. To claim otherwise is foolish.
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Yes, I hear that over and over again. "If I didn't have faith, I'd probably be a murderer or a rapist or somethin somethin". If the threat of an afterlife punishment is the only thing holding you together, you have serious problems and I highly suggest you stay with religion....you need it. And see a therapist.
 

Sure Shot

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Yes, I hear that over and over again. "If I didn't have faith, I'd probably be a murderer or a rapist or somethin somethin". If the threat of an afterlife punishment is the only thing holding you together, you have serious problems and I highly suggest you stay with religion....you need it. And see a therapist.

Religion keeps the sheep in the herd!!
For that I am thankful!
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Constantine saw it as the ultimate SLAVE religion. Suffer now, get paid back when you are dead....perfect carny trick.
 

anhedonia

Well-Known Member
Anyone heard of "memes"? Christianity and aberhamic religions are some of the best examples of memes. Memes are nothing more than ideas yet they function similar to biological organism as they evolve by processes like natural selection. Heres a quick reference:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme
 

Nocturn3

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Actually a better example of a meme would be lolcats, and one that more people have experience with.
And with that in mind:


Genesis 1 said:
1 Oh hai. In teh beginnin Ceiling Cat maded teh skiez An da Urfs, but he did not eated dem.
2 Da Urfs no had shapez An haded dark face, An Ceiling Cat rode invisible bike over teh waterz.
3 At start, no has lyte. An Ceiling Cat sayz, i can haz lite? An lite wuz.4 An Ceiling Cat sawed teh lite, to seez stuffs, An splitted teh lite from dark but taht wuz ok cuz kittehs can see in teh dark An not tripz over nethin.5 An Ceiling Cat sayed light Day An dark no Day. It were FURST!!!1
6 An Ceiling Cat sayed, im in ur waterz makin a ceiling. But he no yet make a ur. An he maded a hole in teh Ceiling.7 An Ceiling Cat doed teh skiez with waterz down An waterz up. It happen.8 An Ceiling Cat sayed, i can has teh firmmint wich iz funny bibel naim 4 ceiling, so wuz teh twoth day.
9 An Ceiling Cat gotted all teh waterz in ur base, An Ceiling Cat hadz dry placez cuz kittehs DO NOT WANT get wet.10 An Ceiling Cat called no waterz urth and waters oshun. Iz good.
11 An Ceiling Cat sayed, DO WANT grass! so tehr wuz seedz An stufs, An fruitzors An vegbatels. An a Corm. It happen.12 An Ceiling Cat sawed that weedz ish good, so, letz there be weedz.13 An so teh threeth day jazzhands.
14 An Ceiling Cat sayed, i can has lightz in the skiez for splittin day An no day.15 It happen, lights everwear, like christmass, srsly.16 An Ceiling Cat doeth two grate lightz, teh most big for day, teh other for no day.17 An Ceiling Cat screw tehm on skiez, with big nails An stuff, to lite teh Urfs.18 An tehy rulez day An night. Ceiling Cat sawed. Iz good.19 An so teh furth day w00t.
20 An Ceiling Cat sayed, waterz bring me phishes, An burds, so kittehs can eat dem. But Ceiling Cat no eated dem.21 An Ceiling Cat maed big fishies An see monstrs, which wuz like big cows, except they no mood, An other stuffs dat mooves, An Ceiling Cat sawed iz good.22 An Ceiling Cat sed O hai, make bebehs kthx. An dont worry i wont watch u secksy, i not that kynd uf kitteh.23 An so teh...fith day. Ceiling Cat taek a wile 2 cawnt.
24 An Ceiling Cat sayed, i can has MOAR living stuff, mooes, An creepie tings, An otehr aminals. It happen so tehre.25 An Ceiling Cat doed moar living stuff, mooes, An creepies, An otehr animuls, An did not eated tehm.
26 An Ceiling Cat sayed, letz us do peeps like uz, becuz we ish teh qte, An let min p0wnz0r becuz tehy has can openers.
27 So Ceiling Cat createded teh peeps taht waz like him, can has can openers he maed tehm, min An womin wuz maeded, but he did not eated tehm.
28 An Ceiling Cat sed them O hai maek bebehs kthx, An p0wn teh waterz, no waterz An teh firmmint, An evry stufs.
29 An Ceiling Cat sayed, Beholdt, the Urfs, I has it, An I has not eated it.30 For evry createded stufs tehre are the fuudz, to the burdies, teh creepiez, An teh mooes, so tehre. It happen. Iz good.
31 An Ceiling Cat sayed, Beholdt, teh good enouf for releaze as version 0.8a. kthxbai.
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