700 million dollar embasy in Packistan???

[TheBrutalTruth]

Hey i am all about getting them off my back too. Im not saying government should regulate regular citizens rights, if anything they should butt out completely, especially in personal matters. But we do need them, "as bad as they are" because they do protect some time. Comparing ourselves to these industrialized countries, again, we are doing very poorly. The facts are out there. They need to be giving more and taking more from the companies. I think Scandinavian countries have it right.

In the end its not about government running our lives, its about getting power back into the hands of the people. What this country was originally about! We dont need 'richards' making policy that effect millions of peoples of lives and mostly in a negative way. If you think the WTO, IMF, G8 or whatever are good things, id love to know why and what your getting from it besides seeing your local walmart roll back those prices even further! yee haw!

The Scandinavians have it backwards, too many taxes on the individual, and VATs are just horribly bloated and hide the true cost of taxes.

The best form of tax I can think of is scrapping all the income taxes with a NRST (FairTAX) that brings the taxes that the government wants to collect out into the open where everyone can see them.

Of course, taxes (like snowballs) rolls down hill so that a tax passed on a corporation will be paid by the purchases of the goods and services it provides.

Labor should not be taxed at all, whereas capital gains should be taxed at some flat percentage rate, perhaps just 10%.

Corporate profits, being generally made through the application of labor (except in the case of finance and insurance) should be untaxed. Corporate Capital Gains should be taxed at a higher rate, maybe 20%.

Though I don't see how the government helps.

I'm not afraid that my neighbors are going to do anything to me, and even if some one steals my vehicle the insurance will pay for it (I'll still be pissed, but it wont be the end of the world.)

Then there's the Drug War (including the attacks against Cigarettes) which is a case of the government interfering in the autonomy of the individual.

Government's more useless than a paper mache machine gun.

 

[AKRevo47]

hey if alot of taxes gave me all the benefits they have then tax away! the things we pay for, like insurance, would be the same if we paid through taxes so were not really losing anything. Except all the americans without health care already....

do you spend your days memorizing percentages? you should get out more. and the rest of your argument is boring...

 

[TheBrutalTruth]

hey if alot of taxes gave me all the benefits they have then tax away! the things we pay for, like insurance, would be the same if we paid through taxes so were not really losing anything. Except all the americans without health care already....

do you spend your days memorizing percentages? you should get out more. and the rest of your argument is boring...

Insurance isn't medical care, and the government's promise of access does not guarantee that it will actually be available. If the government was serious about ensuring access to medical care it would encourage more people to become doctors, and pay more people to pursue their medical degrees.

If the supply isn't there then it doesn't matter how subsidized demand is, because the prices are still going to inflate faster than you can subsidize demand. Supply, Price and Demand are all interdependent, and subsidizing the price some people pay doesn't actually resolve anything except to push it out of the reach of people for whom it is not subsidized.

 

[AKRevo47]

Insurance isn't medical care, and the government's promise of access does not guarantee that it will actually be available. If the government was serious about ensuring access to medical care it would encourage more people to become doctors, and pay more people to pursue their medical degrees.

If the supply isn't there then it doesn't matter how subsidized demand is, because the prices are still going to inflate faster than you can subsidize demand. Supply, Price and Demand are all interdependent, and subsidizing the price some people pay doesn't actually resolve anything except to push it out of the reach of people for whom it is not subsidized.

Why dont these benevolent corporations give more grants to people to pursue those degrees? So here you are now blaming government for not stepping in. So whats it going to be?

Insurance is medical care, the recieving part of it! if you cant afford insurance then youre probably not getting medical care.

Can i get an example of your last sentence?

 

[NoDrama]

AKrevo47. Dude your totally wrong here. LMAO you think the US army is small? its ten times the size of the next largest army in the world (China). we have 1.5 million active duty personnel. The US Gov't employs 1.8 million civilians, thats not including the 800,000 in the postal service and another 900,000 reservist military. The government should not do ANY of the things you said it should do, the only thing we need the fed for is to protect the citizens liberties and rights and to defend our borders. The rest of it should be left to the states.

As far as regulation goes..what do you think the Securities and Exchange Commission,Commodities Future Trading Commission, Federal deposit Insurance Corporation, Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, Federal Reserve Board of Governors, National Credit Union Administration, Office of Thrift Supervision, NYSE, National Futures Association....etc, etc, etc are for..THEY FUCKING REGULATE..and do a shit job of it because they are run by the Gov't..the most corrupt one the US has ever had. The gov't cannot solve any problems, they only make things worse and you can take that to the bank. The situation is far worse than almost anyone recognizes, and almost all believers in the establishment will be economically destroyed.

When governments regulate, they just bog down everything with bureaucratic BS , nothing actually gets regulated, and besides NO ONE can tell when a bubble is forming, so how would you even know what to watch for? The Free market will self regulate because as soon as the fraudsters are found they will be severely punished and people will think twice before doing it again. Not like the US regulators do to 50 billion dollar fraudsters/ponzi Schemers who get to spend time at club fed and really don't get punished very severely.

Let GM go bankrupt, watch some other company take its place almost overnight, same with all the suppliers. Let gov't take control ( They know jack shit about running ANYTHING for a profit) and watch the cars turn out like shit and no one in their right mind will buy them. There is NO SUCH THING as TOO BIG TO FAIL!! Let all the over leveraged banks fail, the smaller main street banks will still exist and commerce will continue unabated. The USA did just fine with 150 years of no central bank, the Gold standard worked exceedingly well.

What you want is collectivism, socialism, naziism, fascism. All extreme left leaning wacko nutcase proposals.

And as far as taxes go, your are about to be taxed half of your income, and it won't even be a tax. Its called inflation and every dollar printed makes every existing dollar worth less ( IE you see prices go up). The Obama Administration and the Fed Reserve are going to Triple the monetary base, that means $10/gal gas and $12 gal milk $10 bread. Yep your gonna get all sorts of great benefits by the gubbermint, unfortunately youll be too dead to partake in any of them due to starvation due to lack of money to buy anything. It won't happen overnight, its insidious and comes on slowly, give it a few years and then tell me how the gov't can fix it.


You can get as much free medical care as you want..its called the emergency room, and they cannot turn you away, even if you never pay your bill. How do you think all the illegal aliens get free medical care? The rest of us honest bill payers subsidize the non payers with exorbitant fees assessed by the hospitals ( Avg is $2,000/hour billing). I really want to have someone show me justification for $2,000/hr for putting in stitches or dispensing some crappy medication that causes more problems than it treats.

 

[jrh72582]

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Let GM go bankrupt, watch some other company take its place almost overnight, same with all the suppliers. Let gov't take control ( They know jack shit about running ANYTHING for a profit) and watch the cars turn out like shit and no one in their right mind will buy them. There is NO SUCH THING as TOO BIG TO FAIL!! Let all the over leveraged banks fail, the smaller main street banks will still exist and commerce will continue unabated. The USA did just fine with 150 years of no central bank, the Gold standard worked exceedingly well.

What you want is collectivism, socialism, naziism, fascism. All extreme left leaning wacko nutcase proposals.

I would agree that GM should be held accountable for their failure and I also do not want a huge, corrupt government taking control of for-profit corporations.

I also understand that this is merely one example, but Volkswagon contradicts your point that government cannot create a successful car company. It's certainly possible that the government could turn GM around and remedy their mistakes (even though GM doesn't deserve shit IMO).

 

[TheBrutalTruth]

I would agree that GM should be held accountable for their failure and I also do not want a huge, corrupt government taking control of for-profit corporations.

I also understand that this is merely one example, but Volkswagon contradicts your point that government cannot create a successful car company. It's certainly possible that the government could turn GM around and remedy their mistakes (even though GM doesn't deserve shit IMO).

Yeah, but do we really want the kind of government that created Volkswagen (People's Car)?

 

[AKRevo47]

No Drama: ill have to respond later cuz i submitted and my internet went down

but the us army isnt the biggest. i suggest you look it up. china has the biggest. CIA factbook we just have the biggest budget which is about 10 times chinas not only that the us army only has 543,000 and think about how many of those would be actual combat troops. its a small percentage. and now look at north koreas army that has the biggest size of special forces. Those guys would fuck us up in those mountains no doubt. theres other factors to be considered other than numbers...and again that shit doesnt matter when you have a nuke in your face

 

[Big P]

guys are we really that confused? there is a us embassy in almost every single country in the world. standard operating proceedure for every other country in the world as well


its nice they are building a large embassy to replace the current one we have in pakistan.

these embassies service americans in these foreign lands


pakistan has thier own cute little embassy right in Washington DC



so as much as id like to join the obama bashing it is completly redicules to bash him for this

 

[TheBrutalTruth]

guys are we really that confused? there is a us embassy in almost every single country in the world. standard operating proceedure for every other country in the world as well


its nice they are building a large embassy to replace the current one we have in pakistan.

these embassies service americans in these foreign lands


pakistan has thier own cute little embassy right in Washington DC



so as much as id like to join the obama bashing it is completly redicules to bash him for this

$700 Million though?

 

[AKRevo47]

$700 Million though?

Ill agree with you on that, considering the circumstances here and there.

and are we really looking to have 'cute' little embassies everywhere? I doubt there are such large numbers of americans there that we would need something like that in pakistan

 

[TheBrutalTruth]

Ill agree with you on that, considering the circumstances here and there.

I wonder how much the yearly operating costs are going to be, because I'm seeing something like the Sands Casino in Vegas...

 

[AKRevo47]

I wonder how much the yearly operating costs are going to be, because I'm seeing something like the Sands Casino in Vegas...

not to mention the monthly repair costs....Itll be something ridiculous no doubt

 

[NoDrama]

The US army is not the only service we have , you forgot the Air Force, The Navy, Coast Guard and of course the Marines. Your right, China does have more troops, but they also are not ALL combat oriented. Besides our military is stronger than any military that has ever existed. I do not worry about the N Koreans.You asked if I had ever dealt with the VA, well as a matter of fact i used to WORK for the VA. I can tell you right now that 1 person could have done the job that the gov't paid 10 of us to do. My job was to get Veterans jobs, good paying jobs. My days were spent surfing the net, going to the gym, going to meetings, installing new software on the PC, flirting with the secretaries, all being paid by you and people like you. In 2 years i was not able to find a single job for a Vet. Not one job found, and I was considered a good effective worker. I spent 10 years in the Military too, so I HAVE FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE the largesse that is the US Gov't. Heh the Military would spend $150,000 to ship a 10 cent item, this happened all the time, its INCREDIBLE how much tax payer money is completely flushed down the drain.

 

[joker152]

The US army is not the only service we have , you forgot the Air Force, The Navy, Coast Guard and of course the Marines. Your right, China does have more troops, but they also are not ALL combat oriented. Besides our military is stronger than any military that has ever existed. I do not worry about the N Koreans.You asked if I had ever dealt with the VA, well as a matter of fact i used to WORK for the VA. I can tell you right now that 1 person could have done the job that the gov't paid 10 of us to do. My job was to get Veterans jobs, good paying jobs. My days were spent surfing the net, going to the gym, going to meetings, installing new software on the PC, flirting with the secretaries, all being paid by you and people like you. In 2 years i was not able to find a single job for a Vet. Not one job found, and I was considered a good effective worker. I spent 10 years in the Military too, so I HAVE FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE the largesse that is the US Gov't. Heh the Military would spend $150,000 to ship a 10 cent item, this happened all the time, its INCREDIBLE how much tax payer money is completely flushed down the drain.

that 10 cent item your referring to, would that be george W's worthless brain, or or dick cheneys equally worthless decrepit heart?

 

[AKRevo47]

Heh the Military would spend $150,000 to ship a 10 cent item, this happened all the time, its INCREDIBLE how much tax payer money is completely flushed down the drain.

Thats complete bull shit too, I know the government gets ripped off but something like that would be noticed. The Army promotes programs for soldiers to notify them of that type of stuff, its called: Fraud, Waste and Abuse and when the army finds those things they get their money back

 

[NoDrama]

Well no shit i said that. I was using the army as an example because you said we had the biggest army. being in the miltary you should know the army doesnt mean military. what good is all that technology in terrain like that? vietnam ring a bell?

then people like you at the va should get fired because you fat asses just sit around all day and do nothing and i think its because of the quality of the employee. cough shitbag coughmaybe you didnt find anything cuz you were to busy going to the gym and flirting? wow, you just admitted you fucked off instead helping. good for you. you should be proud. half of you people cant even speak english there. so what department of the VA was that. its not just VA. cuz i think youre full of shit. there have been a few good ones and there rare to come across who will answer your questions and help to the best of their ability, quickly too.

When you attack the man and not the content of his opposition you automatically lose all credibility and every argument you make will be seen as coming from an unworthy opponent. Look up Ad Hominum, the last resort for anyone who cannot make a good argument.

Now with no name calling, i can tell you some other things. We have already fought in the mountains of Korea and it was called the Korean War. It was before Vietnam. If you want to to find similarities then you should look at Afghanistan, now that is one country that is UNWINNABLE. We could put 2 million troops on the ground year in and year out for 2 decades and still be no better off than we are now. Afghanistan has NEVER been defeated. The list of armies that have tried reads like a who's who of military might. The Mongols, Ghengis Khan, The Romans, Goths, Crusaders, Soviet union, Alexander the Great; they all tried to defeat Afghanistan but all failed. The soviets put 800,000 troops on the ground for 8 years before they finally went home having gained nothing, not 1 inch of ground.

As far as me being a no good fat ass who did nothing for anyone, hehe well it wasn't my choice, I would have HAPPILY helped a vet out. the system is designed to be as slow moving and wasteful as possible, the Gov't designed it that way, its the very essence of bureaucracy. In 2 years I actually only saw probably 30 veterans, because almost no vet could qualify for the program we were hired to work under. When you only see 1 vet every 2 or 3 weeks and the job market sucks ass for good paying jobs well you get the picture.

Probably my fat asses fault, that and the fact I don't speak a hint of English, nor do I have any grasp of what is really going on, Just another one of the Barnyard Sheep.


take a 800 pound shipping container used for shipping highly classified electronic countermeasures, fill it with packing peanuts. Put a screw in a 3"x5" envelope. Seal it all up and by regulation it must be purged and pressurized with nitrogen. Put it on a C135 aircraft( the Only thing on the aircraft besides the crew) leaving from Iwakuni, Japan and going to El Toro, California where it sits in a warehouse waiting for authorization to go out, then a specialized vehicle capable of carrying the Container comes and gets it. ship container by truck to the place where the item is to be used. 2 people spend 4 hours taking everything apart by the book so they can get the screw out of the container. Since the container MUST be shipped back to its origin you have to pack it all back up empty, purge and pressurize and ship back to Japan. yep thats not very expensive is it? Happened more than 10 times in 3 years and we ALL complained about it, nothing ever happened because it was all done by REGULATION.

 

[NoDrama]

that 10 cent item your referring to, would that be george W's worthless brain, or or dick cheneys equally worthless decrepit heart?

haha, i doubt those things are worth that much.

 

[AKRevo47]

When you attack the man and not the content of his opposition you automatically lose all credibility and every argument you make will be seen as coming from an unworthy opponent. Look up Ad Hominum, the last resort for anyone who cannot make a good argument.

Now with no name calling, i can tell you some other things.

Hey looks like a duck...Im sorry if youre not helping people who need help and youre off fucking around then yes you are a complete scumbag in my book. Im not calling you names, im calling you what you are

We have already fought in the mountains of Korea and it was called the Korean War. It was before Vietnam. If you want to to find similarities then you should look at Afghanistan, now that is one country that is UNWINNABLE. We could put 2 million troops on the ground year in and year out for 2 decades and still be no better off than we are now. Afghanistan has NEVER been defeated. The list of armies that have tried reads like a who's who of military might. The Mongols, Ghengis Khan, The Romans, Goths, Crusaders, Soviet union, Alexander the Great; they all tried to defeat Afghanistan but all failed. The soviets put 800,000 troops on the ground for 8 years before they finally went home having gained nothing, not 1 inch of ground.

Last time I checked that war ended in a stalemate and well it never really ended at all. It was a truce....

As far as me being a no good fat ass who did nothing for anyone, hehe well it wasn't my choice, I would have HAPPILY helped a vet out.

If you really wanted to help them you would have. The system is wasteful because you go flirt with someone? Your wasetful.

the system is designed to be as slow moving and wasteful as possible, the Gov't designed it that way, its the very essence of bureaucracy.

Why dont you do something about it rather than just accepting the bull shit. You couldve made a difference for alot of people. Its a hey boss maybe we can do this to HELP. thats what youre there for. Things can be changed. So yeah, you are lazy. You admitted and I called you on it like it or not.

In 2 years I actually only saw probably 30 veterans, because almost no vet could qualify for the program we were hired to work under. When you only see 1 vet every 2 or 3 weeks and the job market sucks ass for good paying jobs well you get the picture.

What program was it? You still never told me what area of the VA you worked in. I got friends that work there too AND they do their jobs.

Probably my fat asses fault, that and the fact I don't speak a hint of English, nor do I have any grasp of what is really going on, Just another one of the Barnyard Sheep.

Yep, my thoughts exactly

take a 800 pound shipping container used for shipping highly classified electronic countermeasures, fill it with packing peanuts. Put a screw in a 3"x5" envelope. Seal it all up and by regulation it must be purged and pressurized with nitrogen. Put it on a C135 aircraft( the Only thing on the aircraft besides the crew) leaving from Iwakuni, Japan and going to El Toro, California where it sits in a warehouse waiting for authorization to go out, then a specialized vehicle capable of carrying the Container comes and gets it. ship container by truck to the place where the item is to be used. 2 people spend 4 hours taking everything apart by the book so they can get the screw out of the container. Since the container MUST be shipped back to its origin you have to pack it all back up empty, purge and pressurize and ship back to Japan. yep thats not very expensive is it? Happened more than 10 times in 3 years and we ALL complained about it, nothing ever happened because it was all done by REGULATION.

yeah whatever

 

[NoDrama]

Excellent comeback! Play again sometime! +rep for you AK!