could use experienced growers help to diagnose my plant

[violentkillah]

hey guys im new to all this, just on week 5 of my first attempt... i say attempt as im not expecting a perfect harvest first time through lol
ive tried reading and reading and re-reading the forums but i get mixed answers to my problem, im currently using a 125w envirolite and reflector with wilkinsons soil... i have an unknown indica strain i got in amongst sum green i bought a while back and i have a "purple haze female" or so my mate says but its definatly sativa in origin...
my problem is that after 5 weeks the leaf tips are going yellow, brown and slightly black, mostly all over on the indica plant (indica pics1,2&3) and it has red hairs on leaf stems and purple veins on main stalk (please bare with me i cant remember the proper names)
also on the "haze" i have red hairs appearing on leaf stems even tho they were a lovely light green when i first got it (at week 3-4 of veg) plus a few yellow spots appearing on a few leaves ( 1 has a tiny hole thru the yellow spot on it as shown in sativa pic3) and one leaf has a yellow curled tip (sativa pics 1&2)and im worried i might have bolloxed them up badly... basically i would like to know where im goin wrong before i lose my mind (and possibly my first bud lol) and if ne1 with alot of experience could help diagnose id be forever greatful...

i keep them both in my boiler room so temp is usually around 26*c - 30*c and humidity is quite low i would think, the soil dries out quickly so i water alittle everyday or 2 to try keep it from drying out.. i have recently started using liqiud tomato feed at the recommended dosage (at 3/4 day intervals) and think it may be simple nute burn, ive flushed both of them an hour ago just incase ( tho evry forum i checked say diff reasons: e.g. mg def, k def, p def, and so on and so on) but would prefer an experts opinion

please dont hate me i have tried reading for past week to sort out problem on my own but i now have to hold my hands up and say fuck it i cant figure out which problem i have...
thanks in advance to ne1 who has time to help me out

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[Little Tommy]

I am not seeing any great damage. In one of the pics the lower leaves look over watered. It also looks like you are running the nutes a little too hot. You may want to cut back to 1/2 the recommended dosage. Otherwise they are very vibrant and have good color. No worries, you have plenty of time to sort this out. Nothing wrong here that can't be fixed with minor corrections. Instead of checking the top of the soil to see if it is dry try lifting the pot. Water only when it feels like the pot is full of air and only feed the nutes every other week at 1/2 strength until this gets sorted out. Good luck with your grow.

 

[violentkillah]

oh my god dude that was a quick reply, thanks for the response..
i had bin told by the guy who gave me the sativa that his friend said prob over fed or over watered but i took it with a pinch of salt as hes never grown b4 either and tends to talk shit lol plus the constant warmth of the boiler i was sure it was drying it out faster than i could water it! Thanks again at least i have a huge weight off my shoulders now and can concentrate on nursing them back to health, on a side note tho do u know whether or not the affected leaves will go green again or will it just b the new growth that comes thru green? i owe u man peace..


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[Little Tommy]

In most cases the damaged leaves do not repair themselves. All the new growth should be healthy if you watch them closely. Glad to help, we all started somewhere. Good luck with your grow.

 

[itsgrowinglikeaweed]

I agree with everything Little Tommy said, and would like to add that a bigger pot would benefit you greatly. Also you said you water every day or two?? I would recommend MORE water LESS often. Even in the small pot, if you water and its dry 2 days later....either you're in the desert or you didn't give it enough water two days ago. Overall...way to grow! Good luck!

 

[violentkillah]

cheers guys im off up town to look for a bigger pot and some guano.. heard it the shit for vegging!
glad ive not gone too far wrong, like i said i wasnt expecting much first time round but u 2 have gave me the advice i need to get them growing properly without lock up or worse thru miss diagnosis from myself...
again i owe u both and will post here as they progress..

thanks again, take it easy

*Edit*.....Just back from town i got 2 moisture lights (for £1 each from poundland) that have perfect size sticks and will tell me when pots r dry with a flashing l.e.d... Also repotted to 20cm pots not sure what volume but defo much bigger... just hope sativa doesnt grow huge as i dont have much room and think only 1 plant will prosper from the 125w light, may have to try get a bigger red spectrum for flowering as never seen a small cfl grow diary with pix on here

****on a breif sidenote tho, my plant has been transplanted now but i had to wet the top soil and the soil from the bag was damp... will this make my problem worse before it gets better??? just chonged and was thinkin about it for a second there*****

thanks again

 

[violentkillah]

hey again to any1 who can help, i havent watered my plants for a few days now and moisture testers working are fine.. tho my lowest 2 five finger sativa leaves are yellowing fast (i pruned the 3 fingers weeks ago) i am panicking now as i have now experience in growing (i have studied hard but find pros to be alot quicker and more helpful) one of them had a grey patch goin from the middle finger tip to part way up, it is the only one so far but like i say theyre yellowing all over slightly.. i read the grey patch is phosphorus def but also on my indica the original 5 &7 fingers leaves are going brown on the edge tips and sum r curling under (read it was under watering but had over watering prob few days ago????) will post pics up asap but need to take them first so ne theories or ideas would still be welcomed while im doing it

thanks in advance

take it easy

 

[Mystik]

I don't think that pot is draining properly , that would lead to the over watering problem even if you were watering it only every now and then marijuana grows a pretty deep tap root so, so long as the water does not drain out of the pot properly you will get saturation even if the top soil appears dry when you water. The roots also like to breathe every now and then. She already looks large enough to be moving to the final pot. Most people reccommend a 5 gallon bucket drilled for drainage for that, but any fair sized pot will generally do.

 

[violentkillah]

heres pix i promised, sum show possible necrosis?? some show yellowing and one with a hole, others show curling of leaves on both plants and theres one of each plant as a whole....

... not sure how often plant is supposed to drop leaves but dont wanna make major changes until i know what im dealing with, on a side note tho i did ph on water it came up 7.2 i think (using colour chart) and when i mixed soil and water it came up 6.4?? would this make a serious difference? and i havent fed nutes as i didnt want to make overwatering/nute burn worse

thanks again in advance
take it easy

 

[violentkillah]

oh just thought the really curled leaf was cut from the plant about 9 hours or more before the pic was taken and mystic i have large 20cm pots.. just transplanted to them last friday and im positive they are loosely packed enough for drainage.. the old pots used to drain evrytime i watered as they were only small but new pots have same holes and i made sure i loosely put soil in, tho i do appreciate u taking the time to help me out

take it easy

 

[itsgrowinglikeaweed]

Hey man your plant looks good. For a 1st grow I'd even say it looks GREAT! Perfection is not possible. Strive for it of course, but be realistic at the same time. The yellowing is normal for its age and size. It's telling you that its time too start feeding though. I dont know how you are checking your PH, but any significant problems you MAY encounter will likely be a result of improper PH. To keep it in check throughout your grow (PH WILL change over time as a natural result of soil chemistry) I recommend you get a digital PH meter. Not those cheesy color-coded ones. PH is extremly important and not somthing you can skimp on. I got this one and have been very pleased with it > http://cgi.ebay.com/Digital-Milwaukee-pH600-pH-Tester-Meter-Pocket-Pen-600_W0QQitemZ380124537302QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item58813021d6&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50
Do you have a plan for administering some fertilizers. if not its time to get a plan, and you'll need a good PH meter for that. Also, you mentioned a boiler room? That doesn't sound like a good home for a MJ plant. Make sure you have good fresh air 24/7 and good circulation and temps. Peace.

 

[violentkillah]

Hey man your plant looks good. For a 1st grow I'd even say it looks GREAT! Perfection is not possible. Strive for it of course, but be realistic at the same time. The yellowing is normal for its age and size. It's telling you that its time too start feeding though. I dont know how you are checking your PH, but any significant problems you MAY encounter will likely be a result of improper PH. To keep it in check throughout your grow (PH WILL change over time as a natural result of soil chemistry) I recommend you get a digital PH meter. Not those cheesy color-coded ones. PH is extremly important and not somthing you can skimp on. I got this one and have been very pleased with it > http://cgi.ebay.com/Digital-Milwaukee-pH600-pH-Tester-Meter-Pocket-Pen-600_W0QQitemZ380124537302QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item58813021d6&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72:1205|66:2|65:12|39:1|240:1318|301:1|293:1|294:50
Do you have a plan for administering some fertilizers. if not its time to get a plan, and you'll need a good PH meter for that. Also, you mentioned a boiler room? That doesn't sound like a good home for a MJ plant. Make sure you have good fresh air 24/7 and good circulation and temps. Peace.

thanks man its a real confidence boost to hear theyre doing well.. i didnt know leaves were supposed to go yellow and drop off thought that was side effect from h.p.s or m.h bulbs but ill move them out of boiler room c how they get on.. also i was given a tester for free from a friend with tube, solution and card with colours on it so ive only just started to check ph 2 days ago, will b investing in digital wednesday and on the feeding plan i was going to use rock guano with an extra k suppliment (tho not sure what to use) think ive missed veg feeding as preflowers are starting to show (can c hairs already clearly) any links or help in feeding area would be much appreciated but again thanks for taking time out to help
take it easy kiss-ass

 

[violentkillah]

oh and i leave door open on boiler room during day (have small fan running 24/7) air circulation shouldnt be a problem just temps i think.... usually around 24*c (bare minimum) to 30*c (on a hot day while hot water is bein used) tho again any thoughts on this would be greatfully taken in
take it easy

 

[itsgrowinglikeaweed]

Quote- "i didnt know leaves were supposed to go yellow and drop off thought that was side effect from h.p.s or m.h bulbs"
Well i dont want you to get the wrong idea. I wouldn't say that they're "supposed to", you could have prevented it by starting feeding a little sooner. But under the circumstances its normal and not a huge issue. Its got nothing to do with the bulbs. Like I said its just a sign of hunger. More specifically a nitrogen deficiency.
So it sounds like you need a lesson in plant nutrients. I didn't have a clue either when I started lol. here's a good place to start. This is from the growFAQ (upper left on screen) which you absolutely must take the time to read > https://www.rollitup.org/view.php?pg=faq&cmd=article&id=102
Everything (almost) that you ever wanted to know about growing is in there!
There are so many different ways to go about feeding your plants, I won't just say get this, or use that. Educate yourself on what the plants need and at what stage of growth they need it. Then see what is available to you. (i obviously have no clue where you are or what stores or garden shops, or....?)
I will say that Fox Farms products are extremely popular and proven. I am currently using them. Mainly because I kind of lucked out and have a store right down the road that has them. They are not cheap.
Also, i have to say this - there is a difference between CHEMICAL fertilizer and ORGANIC fertilizer. They both will work. But one of them is better. WAYYYY better. Better for you, better for the plant, better for the environment. This is NOT my opinion, this is pure 100% scientifically proven FACT. And I will NOT respond to anyone who says differently. So here's hopeing you make the right choice. Good luck. Peace.

 

[violentkillah]

again thank you so much for taking time to fill me in, at the minute i have only read about the nutrients needed for troubleshooting purposes (defs) and the N:K ratios of soil etc.. not what to use specifically at what times but i will take your advice and get to reading to get clued up.. (my bro reccomended i get greg greens grow bible so im looking into that while typing on here) i have just ordered a growell catalogue and will most definatly be buying the rock guano (just have to suppliment K somehow but will read about that in a minute) if i do run into more problems i will of course post here but think ive just about got the answers i need

take it easy m8 all the best

 

[violentkillah]

sorry to b a pain in the ass but should i prune any yellowing leaves or do they still contribute to photosynthesis?? apart from looking horrible i wasnt sure if they still did anything for the plant or would just get worse and use energy until they died or i chopped them off

again... take it easy guys

 

[itsgrowinglikeaweed]

My ass feels fine. And besides I'm trying to teach myself how to type LOL
There are a few different schools of thought when it comes to pruning yellow leaves. I say if they're low on the plant let em fall off naturally, if they are shading any green leaves get them outta the way so the green ones get light. Also pruning lower yellow leaves can help air circulation under the canopy.

 

[violentkillah]

thanks man you have really helped me get past worrying and onto productive thinking.. ive bin reading through the links pages and must say its so easy to navigate unlike some search results ive had recently on numerous forum sites

=D

my plants probably owe you their lives lol and i am very grateful
take it easy m8