Organic Montana Medical Grow

[MyGTO2007]

Ok guys, last time i watered was on the 18th, today is the 23rd........they needed watered...........didnt realize how much they drank!!!!GIG,FP and a dose of SPT mixed up 5 gal...mixed exactly what bottle said!! here is some pics and my meter.(dont Laugh) I probabily need a better one right??

 

[MyGTO2007]

and some of whats wrong !!

 

[MyGTO2007]

also been working on my exhaust for my lights !!

I used a 4'' PVC pipe and a 4x4x4 Y to hook it up

each Light has a 100cfm and then the S&P TD 100x is another 135 so theirs 435 venting out my lights!!works rather well so far !!

 

[MyGTO2007]

now if i could just learn the PH issues

 

[btt]

Awesome setup.
+rep

Hope to see them turn around.

 

[tahoe58]

hey man .... sry to see your plant issues, but I'm not very helpful not having ever done hydro. Hope you can keep things moving positively forward.

Your setup is really remarkable. You obviously take great care and pay close attention to details that with give your room reliability and longevity. Such a class friggin act. You deserve an award for the work you are doing! Walk On!~~

 

[jigfresh]

I'm not very helpful not having ever done hydro.

He's in soil... maybe you can help... I've only done hydro and feel clueless about soil.

 

[largebudda]

A very helpful person took me around a garden once. They had done things to plants just to show me some of the problems that they have.

I am thinking ya got a few things wrong or going wrong.

1 - the leaves will curl and turn brown if you don't have any water and your Humidity is very low. Do you have a dual meter for heat and humidity? If so have you put the temp meter at the top of your canopy to see if your light is too close for heat issues?

2 - Looks like you might have a K (potassium) deficiency or there is too much salt in your soil that might be preventing the uptake of nutrients. Do you have a PPM meter? if so are you documenting it? Do you see a gradual decrease in PPM over a few days or is it staying the same?


Have been growing for a few years and have read every book i can get my hands on, but there is nothing like experience. When ya grow em ya learn, ya mess up now, you wont then!!!!

 

[MyGTO2007]

hey man .... sry to see your plant issues, but I'm not very helpful not having ever done hydro. Hope you can keep things moving positively forward.

Your setup is really remarkable. You obviously take great care and pay close attention to details that with give your room reliability and longevity. Such a class friggin act. You deserve an award for the work you are doing! Walk On!~~

Dude Your a Class Act!!!!thank you!!!!!
that would be Badass if i got somekind of Award from RIU!!!
And I am using FoxFarm Ocean Forest Soil!! not hydro
Dude your Avitar is fucken HOT!!!!!

 

[MyGTO2007]

Awesome setup.
+rep

Hope to see them turn around.

thanks dude!!

 

[MyGTO2007]

A very helpful person took me around a garden once. They had done things to plants just to show me some of the problems that they have.

I am thinking ya got a few things wrong or going wrong.

1 - the leaves will curl and turn brown if you don't have any water and your Humidity is very low. Do you have a dual meter for heat and humidity? If so have you put the temp meter at the top of your canopy to see if your light is too close for heat issues?

2 - Looks like you might have a K (potassium) deficiency or there is too much salt in your soil that might be preventing the uptake of nutrients. Do you have a PPM meter? if so are you documenting it? Do you see a gradual decrease in PPM over a few days or is it staying the same?


Have been growing for a few years and have read every book i can get my hands on, but there is nothing like experience. When ya grow em ya learn, ya mess up now, you wont then!!!!

temps are fine, RH is @44% and i dont have a watering problem!! IM not that new !!
And i leaning towards P or k deficency, i think i have it under control tho!!i hope
and salt isnt my prob,Im in FFOF soil....fresh soil!!
what the hell is a ppm meter

 

[MyGTO2007]

Ok guys. im in the market for a good PH meter

 

[MyGTO2007]

Yeah, those little PH/PPM meter pens from Hanna kinda suck. I calibrate mine once a week, yes, they drift that quickly!

Next investment, a ph/ppm meter that doesn't need calibrating.

Do those wall mount meters need calibration?

all ph meters need calibrated
this is what i found

Need to test pH levels but don't know what testing tools to use? This PE Fact article clues you in on all of the ways you can successfully measure pH and how each instrument is used.
It is vital to maintain and control proper pH levels in several agricultural, industrial and environmental processes. In farming, the appropriate pH level of the soil assures the best possible crop. Also, the pH in our drinking water is controlled in processing plants in order to produce water that is safe to drink. Without the proper monitoring and control of pH levels, deterioration of the quality of all plant, animal and human life would be imminent.
The pH scale is a numeric scale used to show the acidity or alkalinity of a solution. The amount of hydrogen ions in a solution determines if it is an acid or an alkaline. A more acidic solution would have a large concentration of hydrogen ions. A solution with fewer hydrogen ions would be alkaline.
The range of the pH scale is 0 to 14. A solution that has a pH level of seven (distilled water) is not an acid or an alkaline; it is neutral. Solutions that have pH levels lower than seven are more acidic such as vinegar (3.0 pH), sulfuric acid (1.2 pH) and orange juice (3.7 pH). Alkaline or "basic" solutions have pH levels that are greater than seven such as sodium hydroxide (pH 13), ammonia based household cleaners (pH 12), and potassium hydroxide (pH 14).
Testing Tools
In order to properly control pH, you must correctly measure it. There are various ways that pH can be measured including pH paper, digital readout pocket testers, portable and bench top pH meters.
A fast and affordable way to measure pH is by using pH paper. Strips of paper are soaked with a chemical indicator. This indicator, when placed in a sample liquid, turns the paper a certain color. The liquid's pH is found by comparing the color of the paper to a standard chart that is provided. Although these indicators are offered for every pH level, they have limits to their accuracy. It is very difficult to decipher the change of color when working with colored or cloudy samples.
Another way to determine the pH level of a solution is with the pocket tester. They are extremely handy and easy to carry. pH tests can be made very fast and there is no need to take a sample back to the lab. Pocket pH testers are accurate enough for common applications and are reasonably priced.
If your measures need to be more accurate, portable pH meters are a better choice over the pocket tester. The majority of portable meters are bigger than pocket pH testers. They are long-lasting and ideal for accurate pH readings in the field. They use an array of replaceable pH electrodes for individual applications and conditions.
Bench top pH meters are mainly used in testing or research labs. In general, they are more expensive but provide precise accuracy and more testing options. Also, bench top meters use a wide array of replaceable pH electrodes.
Types of Electrodes
pH electrodes are comprised of a general purpose glass electrode (measuring electrode) and a reference electrode. They are combined into one electrode and referred to as a combination pH electrode. Combination pH electrodes are filled with a salt solution made up of Potassium Chloride (kCl) soaked with a silver/silver chloride (Ag/AgCl) reference solution. The combination electrode is best for general purpose applications.
Since standard electrodes contain silver in the reference solution within the electrode, there are numerous applications where this kind of electrode can't be used. The subsequent solutions cannot be measured with general purpose electrodes.

• Heavy metals including silver, iron and lead
• Proteins
• Organics such as acetone
• Low ion solutions such as distilled water
• High sodium concentrations such as solutions containing large amounts of salts
• Sulfides

If a sample of the solution contains any of these contaminants, the pH electrode may possibly work for a short period of time before it eventually fails.

If you want to test the pH of the solutions mentioned, the following electrodes can be used:
Colomel Reference electrodes are intended to work in solutions containing proteins, organics, low ion activity and heavy metals. They are filled with Mercury/Mercury Chloride (Hg/Hg2Cl2) reference solution.
Double-Junction Reference electrodes are intended to work in the same applications as the colomel electrode as well as in highly concentrated solutions. This is because of the presence of two reference junctions to filter out any possible contamination of the reference electrode.
Teflon Junction Reference electrodes are designed for applications where the solutions to be measured can obstruct the reference of a standard electrode. Teflon Junction Reference electrodes are recommended when working with solutions like paints, gels and pastes.
Electrode Care-Preparing the pH Electrode to Measure Solutions
The pH electrodes are delivered moist with storage solution. In some instances, after an electrode has been sitting idle in storage for a while, white crystals may become visible near the bulb of the electrode or around the electrode cap. These crystals are the result of the potassium chloride solution (kCl) which has evaporated and crystallized. Before initially using the electrode, rinse it with some distilled water, and soak it in a buffer solution for 10-20 minutes.

Electrode Conditioning
1. Remove the protective cap from the bottom of the sensor and wash the electrode with distilled or deionized water.
2. Soak the electrode in a beaker of one of the subsequent liquids for about an hour so the electrode can be hydrated again.
**Potassium Chloride (kCl), 3.8 or 4.0 molar concentration.
**4.01 Buffer Solution.
**7.00 Buffer Solution.
**Tap water.
3. After one hour, wash the electrode with distilled water. You are now ready to calibrate the meter and record measurements.
Calibration
How do you calibrate? In order to correctly calibrate a pH meter, you must choose at least two buffers for a two point calibration (except pH meters that have only a 1-point calibration feature), one must always have a pH of 7, and a second point which covers the predicted pH of your sample mixture. For instance, if you measured an acidic solution (pH below 7), you would choose the pH 4.01 and 7.00 buffers to calibrate the meter. Likewise, if you were measuring mostly basic samples (pH above 7), you would choose pH 7.00 and pH 10.00 buffers for calibration.

Calibration is also referred to as standardized and slope in a few pH meters. To standardize a pH meter means to calibrate at a pH of 7.00. After this, you slope the meter to either the pH 4.01 or 10.00 buffers.
Electrode Storage
After measurements have been completed, the electrode should be stored in a way which will keep the bulb of the electrode constantly moist or hydrated.
All electrodes are always shipped with a protective cap, or "rubber boot". This cap can be used to store a tiny amount of fluid. For long and short term storage, add a few drops of potassium chloride (kCl) or 4.01 buffer solution to the cap and place the cap back on the electrode.
The electrode can be stored in a beaker or an electrode saver bottle filled with kCl solution. Buffers with a pH of 4.01 or 7.00 are also ideal for storage. For short term storage, tap water must be used. Do not use distilled or deionized water.
Commonly Asked Questions

Q.What is ATC?
A.ATC (Automatic Temperature Compensation) is an option found on pocket pH testers and handheld and bench top meters. Q. Why is it used?
A. ATC allows the meter to compensate for temperature disparity that may affect the accuracy of pH measurements.
Q. How is this done?
A. AMeters with ATC recognize one of several types of temperature probes or have a temperature sensor built into the electrode. These probes or electrodes calculate the temperature of the sample and establish the pH value at that temperature.
Q. Do pH meters need calibration?
A. Yes. Before taking the pH measurement of your solution, you must calibrate the pH meter, especially if it has been stored or used to test a pH range that greatly differs from the one you currently have to test. When you calibrate a meter, you are basically inspecting and fixing the pH meter and probe ensuring that it reads pH correctly.

 

[MyGTO2007]

Alright so its just not mine thats good to know..........my meters do the same thing always need to check them..... but since there small meters they have small screws to calibrat, The guy at my local shop keeps telling me to get the Hanna $230 meter says its expensive but the best and to calibrat it, it has nobs instead of screws makes it allot easier to calibrat..... i will be getting one some day.

How often are you watering them and how much water ??

(The guy at my local shop keeps telling me to get the Hanna $230 meter says its expensive)
And what meter is that ??

 

[Hulk Nugs]

I have not gone into the shop in over a month kinda wierd since i was in there every week for months ........... but i do not know witch hanna meter they were talking about. I just did a search and dam Hanna has allot of different meters to pick from. All i remeber is that it was in a blue box and the box was like 6'' by 10'' lmao i know not much help, been looking up different meters not sure witch one it is, so yea i am no help

 

[jigfresh]

RH is @44%

what the hell is a ppm meter

I tried to keep my RH at least 60% during veg. I don't think the humidity is THE problem, but it might be a contributing factor. I beleive 60-70% is good for veg. My humidity never really got below 44 the entire grow.

'tds' - Total Dissolved Solids. This is the amount of anything not water in your water, ie nutes, chemicals in tap water, salts, etc. 'tds' is measured in one of two (sorta) ways. 'ec' and 'ppm'.

'ec' is Electrical Conductivity... 'ppm' is Parts Per Million. They are both just a multiple of eachother. However it gets confusing with EC becuase sometimes it is 1/500 of the ppm other times it is 1/700 of the ppm. I beleive this is the reason why we all don't talk about 'ec' but instead talk about 'ppm'.

SO basically 'ppm' is a way of reading the amount of nutes in your feeding solution.

I don't do soil, so I'm not sure, but I beleive you guys measure the pH/ ppm of two things. Once when you mix up your solution. And if there are issues you measure the run off water.

When you mix your solution, before you feed it to the girls it should be pH'd to the desired level, and ppm noted in case there are problems you know what you added last time.

Collect the run off water, if that pH is significantly different than the water you added then there is a buildup of some sort in the soil causing ph fluctuation, in that case I beleive you flush with a bunch of clean water untill the runoff ph matches the water ph.

I don't do soil... so don't take my work for it, but maybe people will say I'm right or that I'm full of it. Either way this should get you going (i hope).

 

[jigfresh]

There is also the different strain factor. Most of your girls might like a lot of nutes while the one want hardly any, or vise versa. You have taken on quite the challenge whether you knew it or not, but raising 5 or 6 strains for a first time is hurculean (at least if you are trying to keep all of them in absolute perfect health).

Personally, I think you are doing a stellar job, only having one show some minor problems.

Anyways, keep you head up about it. The plant doesn't look horribly sick to me... it's not worthless or anything by far.

Once you get the ppm/ ph thing in check many things will be better for you.

good luck man

and I love the work on the lights. such quality. Now you just gotta grow some plants worthy of your bad ass room.

 

[MyGTO2007]

I tried to keep my RH at least 60% during veg. I don't think the humidity is THE problem, but it might be a contributing factor. I beleive 60-70% is good for veg. My humidity never really got below 44 the entire grow.

'tds' - Total Dissolved Solids. This is the amount of anything not water in your water, ie nutes, chemicals in tap water, salts, etc. 'tds' is measured in one of two (sorta) ways. 'ec' and 'ppm'.

'ec' is Electrical Conductivity... 'ppm' is Parts Per Million. They are both just a multiple of eachother. However it gets confusing with EC becuase sometimes it is 1/500 of the ppm other times it is 1/700 of the ppm. I beleive this is the reason why we all don't talk about 'ec' but instead talk about 'ppm'.

SO basically 'ppm' is a way of reading the amount of nutes in your feeding solution.

I don't do soil, so I'm not sure, but I beleive you guys measure the pH/ ppm of two things. Once when you mix up your solution. And if there are issues you measure the run off water.

When you mix your solution, before you feed it to the girls it should be pH'd to the desired level, and ppm noted in case there are problems you know what you added last time.

Collect the run off water, if that pH is significantly different than the water you added then there is a buildup of some sort in the soil causing ph fluctuation, in that case I beleive you flush with a bunch of clean water untill the runoff ph matches the water ph.

I don't do soil... so don't take my work for it, but maybe people will say I'm right or that I'm full of it. Either way this should get you going (i hope).

Holy fuck thats confusing

 

[MyGTO2007]

There is also the different strain factor. Most of your girls might like a lot of nutes while the one want hardly any, or vise versa. You have taken on quite the challenge whether you knew it or not, but raising 5 or 6 strains for a first time is hurculean (at least if you are trying to keep all of them in absolute perfect health).

Personally, I think you are doing a stellar job, only having one show some minor problems.

Anyways, keep you head up about it. The plant doesn't look horribly sick to me... it's not worthless or anything by far.

Once you get the ppm/ ph thing in check many things will be better for you.

good luck man

and I love the work on the lights. such quality. Now you just gotta grow some plants worthy of your bad ass room.

thanks dude!! comments like that help keep my head up!!i was feeding little less than what bottle said!!BMO.........i fed again on the 23th with exact what bottle said.......now seems like its not spreading like before........we will see!!they seem to be drinking alot..........and after i Fimmed on the 14th ...they went on a slow spurt..but they seem to be growing like before!!!!

 

[tilemaster]

planet natural has a red hanna ph digi in stock for 99ea. they dont do ppm.ec. that unit that does both is over 2bills.. i dont think ur plants are doing bad a bit..rh is overly dry here once again..so u might c some crispinness or dryer looking leaves if fans are directly on the foliage..i notice that and im ur nieghbor.. decifincies smicincies.. give them a 1/4 dose of wut ur bottles say and not that often..like everyother watering or every 3rd.. theyll grow out of it. ec readings are the salt content of ur waters..with a meter u can figure out wut ur natural ppm is off ur tap and then take readings after adding nutes ..and then u can bump them in bloom , work your way up.. im not working with that tool yet. i must for hydro resoviors