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mygirls

mygirls

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Cr8z13 said:
Then why do conversion bulbs exist?
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why is there unleaded fule and super when there is no diffrence in the fule... its all about the money my friend... if your sucker enough to buy it they will sell it to you, thats the way it works... some get taken and some don't i don't.....
 
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Defcon9

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mygirls said:
any hps ballast will run a mh bulbs 100% guaranteed. any hps ballast
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You're crazy. It is not safe to just get any mh bulb and throw it into any HPS ballast. There is a reason that manufacturers do not reccomend you to do this. Just because you do it does not make it safe. There are engineers that are piad big bucks to make these products for a reason. I don't do it because I don't want to break shit or worse yet burn down my house. It's not a matter of if you don't do it keep your mouth shut. I'm sorry but I come from a mecahical back ground where we learned in school and on the job that there are somethings you don't do. If a specific product is made for a reason use it. They would not waste time to make swiching ballasts or conversion bulbs if they are not neccesary. You are going to get someone either (hopefully) upset when things break or worse hurt.

DO NOT listen to people just because they do something. It does not make it safe or right. Follow your manufactures instructions or ask your local hydroponics shop for advise on bulbs if you don't trust people on this site. those people are there to help and know what they are talking about.

I had a guy bring in his car to us. Hey jumped a fuse with a wire. It had worked for him for years and the car had started to have problems. It caught fire in our shop from that wire. He's lucky we caught it in time. He even said, well I've used it for years with no problem so that wasn't the problem. Well the fire told the real story. You might get lucky for a while, but if you aren't careful you will eventually get burnt.

Again if you want to arguee because I don't do it, I will arguee from a trained electrical point of view with education and theory. To settle it, just write an e-mail to a light manufacturer and ask them if you can just stick any bulb into any ballast, better yet call them and ask.
 
LUDACRIS

LUDACRIS

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Defcon9 said:
You're crazy. It is not safe to just get any mh bulb and throw it into any HPS ballast. There is a reason that manufacturers do not reccomend you to do this. Just because you do it does not make it safe. There are engineers that are piad big bucks to make these products for a reason. I don't do it because I don't want to break shit or worse yet burn down my house. It's not a matter of if you don't do it keep your mouth shut. I'm sorry but I come from a mecahical back ground where we learned in school and on the job that there are somethings you don't do. If a specific product is made for a reason use it. They would not waste time to make swiching ballasts or conversion bulbs if they are not neccesary. You are going to get someone either (hopefully) upset when things break or worse hurt.

DO NOT listen to people just because they do something. It does not make it safe or right. Follow your manufactures instructions or ask your local hydroponics shop for advise on bulbs if you don't trust people on this site. those people are there to help and know what they are talking about.

I had a guy bring in his car to us. Hey jumped a fuse with a wire. It had worked for him for years and the car had started to have problems. It caught fire in our shop from that wire. He's lucky we caught it in time. He even said, well I've used it for years with no problem so that wasn't the problem. Well the fire told the real story. You might get lucky for a while, but if you aren't careful you will eventually get burnt.

Again if you want to arguee because I don't do it, I will arguee from a trained electrical point of view with education and theory. To settle it, just write an e-mail to a light manufacturer and ask them if you can just stick any bulb into any ballast, better yet call them and ask.
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"mygirls" is right defcon.
LUDA.
;-)
 
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Defcon9

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mygirls said:
why is there unleaded fule and super when there is no diffrence in the fule... its all about the money my friend... if your sucker enough to buy it they will sell it to you, thats the way it works... some get taken and some don't i don't.....
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Unleaded was to replace leaded fuel that was very toxic. There is a huge difference.

If you mean octane levels, there is a huge diffference as well. Regular fuel is good for most vehicles on the market. The higher octane is for higher compression engines and performance cars. Higher compression, turbo vehicles, etc, require a more controlled burn or you get engine ping and possible engine damage or lack of performance. I used to drive a Ford Probe GT. On regular gas I could drive, but when I put 91 (reccomended on this car) the performance difference is huge. The engine gets unlocked. On My RX-7 I can not run anything under 94 octane without risk of blowing my engine. All the Porsches and Audis at work all require 93 or higher. There is a huge difference, but on a regular car, Civic, Corolla etc there is no reason to go anyhigher than 87 you will feel no difference and possibly actually lose performance. If the manufactuer reccomends 87 stick to it, that's what the car is designed for, using higher octane (like people that fill up with 91 thinking it's good once in a while) can acctually cause more problems than good for you.
 
mygirls

mygirls

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Defcon 9 said:
You're crazy. It is not safe to just get any mh bulb and throw it into any HPS ballast. There is a reason that manufacturers do not recommend you to do this. Just because you do it does not make it safe. There are engineers that are paid big bucks to make these products for a reason. I don't do it because I don't want to break shit or worse yet burn down my house. It's not a matter of if you don't do it keep your mouth shut. I'm sorry but I come from a mechanical back ground where we learned in school and on the job that there are somethings you don't do. If a specific product is made for a reason use it. They would not waste time to make switching ballasts or conversion bulbs if they are not necessary. You are going to get someone either (hopefully) upset when things break or worse hurt.

DO NOT listen to people just because they do something. It does not make it safe or right. Follow your manufactures instructions or ask your local hydroponics shop for advise on bulbs if you don't trust people on this site. those people are there to help and know what they are talking about.

I had a guy bring in his car to us. Hey jumped a fuse with a wire. It had worked for him for years and the car had started to have problems. It caught fire in our shop from that wire. He's lucky we caught it in time. He even said, well I've used it for years with no problem so that wasn't the problem. Well the fire told the real story. You might get lucky for a while, but if you aren't careful you will eventually get burnt.

Again if you want to argue because I don't do it, I will argue from a trained electrical point of view with education and theory. To settle it, just write an e-mail to a light manufacturer and ask them if you can just stick any bulb into any ballast, better yet call them and ask.
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dude i just made a video waiting to upload.. so all you guys who don't believe even after watching this then thats your prerogative. but yes i willtake all the reps you want to give after this... thats and have a nice grow stick a fork in me cuz im done witth this thread......
give it a few minutes it willbe here..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7fcjsDFOnA
 
M Blaze

M Blaze

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mygirls said:
why is there unleaded fule and super when there is no diffrence in the fule... its all about the money my friend... if your sucker enough to buy it they will sell it to you, thats the way it works... some get taken and some don't i don't.....
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What is the price difference between them because I get those MH conversion bulbs for the same price as the HPS bulbs.
 
Hairy Bob

Hairy Bob

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mygirls said:
why is there unleaded fule and super when there is no diffrence in the fule... its all about the money my friend... if your sucker enough to buy it they will sell it to you, thats the way it works... some get taken and some don't i don't.....
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Are you saying it's a massive conspiracy by electronics manufacturers to sell us what is just a repackaged mh bulb?
You need to do an expo on this, go public, and take those swindling fat cats down! This is a seriously big cover up with huge implications, if they are all in on it together, who knows what else they are collaborating on?
What if you don't need a ballast at all? Could this be another example of the big companies selling us things we don't need for a ridiculous price?
You never did say what type of ballast you run.
 
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Defcon9

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mygirls said:
dude i just made a video waiting to upload.. so all you guys who don't believe even after watching this then thats your prerogative. but yes i willtake all the reps you want to give after this... thats and have a nice grow stick a fork in me cuz im done witth this thread......
give it a few minutes it willbe here..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7fcjsDFOnA
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I didn't say it won't work I say it might not be safe. Nice vid.

The ballasts are compact and run quietly. The ballasts also boast a 5-year replacement or repair warranty. Each ballast powers a single light and can be remote mounted up to 15 feet away (15 foot cord provided) on a wall or table. A 120 V standard power cord that connects to the ballast is provided. If you wish to run your PL Light from a 220 V power supply, please let us know and a 220 V power cord will be supplied. Each ballast can be switched between 120 V and 220 V settings (this feature is available currently, but will not be in the future). Note: Bulbs must be used with their corresponding ballast. For instance, you can not use a 400 W MH bulb with a 400 W HPS ballast, nor could you use a 400 W bulb (of any type) in a 1000 W (or any other power) ballast.

from: http://www.rittenhouse.ca/asp/product.asp?PG=1246
 
mygirls

mygirls

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Hairy Bob said:
Are you saying it's a massive conspiracy by electronics manufacturers to sell us what is just a repackaged mh bulb?
You need to do an expo on this, go public, and take those swindling fat cats down! This is a seriously big cover up with huge implications, if they are all in on it together, who knows what else they are collaborating on?
What if you don't need a ballast at all? Could this be another example of the big companies selling us things we don't need for a ridiculous price?
You never did say what type of ballast you run.
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no you do need a ballast ive been threw that already. you just keep poping the breaker by just pluging the socket right into a 110 volt wall outlet.. now i haven'ttryed it pluged into 220 volts yet. one day i willtry that one.
 
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Defcon9

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LUDACRIS said:
"mygirls" has already told you this.
(and we are both vehicle techincians as well).
CHRIS.
;-)
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Nice, which bastard company you workin for? I want to get out man be doin it to long. The market isn't as bad for us as people make it seem but I just want out.

anyways, I was just sayin not that it won't work, I'd just be careful and wouldn't trust something going realy wrong if it's not what it was designed for. The HPS ballast will light the MH bulb, but if it ain't reccomended by manufacturer I wouldn't use it.
 
LUDACRIS

LUDACRIS

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Defcon9 said:
You're crazy. It is not safe to just get any mh bulb and throw it into any HPS ballast. There is a reason that manufacturers do not reccomend you to do this. Just because you do it does not make it safe. There are engineers that are piad big bucks to make these products for a reason. I don't do it because I don't want to break shit or worse yet burn down my house. It's not a matter of if you don't do it keep your mouth shut. I'm sorry but I come from a mecahical back ground where we learned in school and on the job that there are somethings you don't do. If a specific product is made for a reason use it. They would not waste time to make swiching ballasts or conversion bulbs if they are not neccesary. You are going to get someone either (hopefully) upset when things break or worse hurt.

DO NOT listen to people just because they do something. It does not make it safe or right. Follow your manufactures instructions or ask your local hydroponics shop for advise on bulbs if you don't trust people on this site. those people are there to help and know what they are talking about.

I had a guy bring in his car to us. Hey jumped a fuse with a wire. It had worked for him for years and the car had started to have problems. It caught fire in our shop from that wire. He's lucky we caught it in time. He even said, well I've used it for years with no problem so that wasn't the problem. Well the fire told the real story. You might get lucky for a while, but if you aren't careful you will eventually get burnt.

Again if you want to arguee because I don't do it, I will arguee from a trained electrical point of view with education and theory. To settle it, just write an e-mail to a light manufacturer and ask them if you can just stick any bulb into any ballast, better yet call them and ask.
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jumping/bypassing a fuse with a piece of wire is of course going to cause a melted fuse box/wiring or the component the fuse was in place for eventually.
CHRIS.
;-)
 
mygirls

mygirls

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Defcon9 said:
I didn't say it won't work I say it might not be safe. Nice vid.

The ballasts are compact and run quietly. The ballasts also boast a 5-year replacement or repair warranty. Each ballast powers a single light and can be remote mounted up to 15 feet away (15 foot cord provided) on a wall or table. A 120 V standard power cord that connects to the ballast is provided. If you wish to run your PL Light from a 220 V power supply, please let us know and a 220 V power cord will be supplied. Each ballast can be switched between 120 V and 220 V settings (this feature is available currently, but will not be in the future). Note: Bulbs must be used with their corresponding ballast. For instance, you can not use a 400 W MH bulb with a 400 W HPS ballast, nor could you use a 400 W bulb (of any type) in a 1000 W (or any other power) ballast.

from: http://www.rittenhouse.ca/asp/product.asp?PG=1246
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dude you don't no what the fuck you are saying... conterdick your self again....1st you say its not safe then at the end you say it can not be done....
 
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Defcon9

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mygirls said:
dude you don't no what the fuck you are saying... conterdick your self again....1st you say its not safe then at the end you say it can not be done....
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What the fuck are you talking about??? beable to do something doesn't make it safe. I never said it can't be done. I said it shouldn't be done. That is a big fucken difference.

Yes it can be done, no one disputes that. It is the safety behind it that is being argued. I can drive a car without a seat belt, that doesn't make it okay. And that post I put up was off a site that sells bulbs. Not recomended.
 
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Defcon9

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LUDACRIS said:
jumping/bypassing a fuse with a piece of wire is of course going to cause a melted fuse box/wiring or the component the fuse was in place for eventually.
CHRIS.
;-)
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Yeah, that was a really fun day trying to explain that one to a customer. :wall: lol
 
Hairy Bob

Hairy Bob

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mygirls said:
no you do need a ballast ive been threw that already. you just keep poping the breaker by just pluging the socket right into a 110 volt wall outlet.. now i haven'ttryed it pluged into 220 volts yet. one day i willtry that one.
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You do strike me as the sort of person that finds out he shouldn't do something, then proceeds to try to find out why not the hard way.
I look forward to reading your entry in the darwin awards.
That video conjures up memories of my friend telling me I can save time when wiring a plug by just cutting off the earth wire
"Look, it works just fine without it, you've been wasting your time wiring that 3rd pin up!"
He didn't want to hear about safety either.
 
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