A sad saga of plant abuse..

[blahblahblah123]

This is my second attempt at a grow. My first involved only a single 60 watt spot gro bulb.. an epic failure if I do say so.. but I learned alot, and decided to try again. This time with 8000 lumens of CFL's to assist.

I started this story with only 2 seeds of some rather exquisite bud. With my sad attempt at a green thumb, I was able to make both germinate. The first sprouted very quickly and grew to an inch in just a couple days.. the second one, rather oddly, sprouted its roots into the air.. after I had righted the rather confused fellow, he later gave up the ghost for unknown reasons. (I even turned him right side up with tweezers, never having touched him)

Now starts the second plants rather epic struggle for survival. Him, the hero.. Me, the evil villain..

He started out just fine, popped right up to around an inch tall, and proceeded to pump out his first two real leaves.. me, seeing that he was doing so well, decided he was growing so fast that he would need more nutrients.. not having any normal plant food, and only "miracle grow bloom booster" i decided any plant food was good food.. i watered him at a half of the normal weekly dose every 3 days. I only stopped this when i noticed that his first two leaves started at the tips very nice and light green, only to rapidly change to a very dark angry green.

The resilient fellow recovered somewhat, and left those mangled leaves as they were, and gave a second try. These leaves were misshapen on both sides, but got the job done. I decided he had recovered enough, and gave him a high dose of sea weed.. (i followed the directions though..) His new leaves over the next week were partially red.. very similiar in color to the sea weed extract..

The little guy chugged on, sprouted a new leaf set and was on his merry way.. then I popped my head back in.. to his dismay..

Since there were originally two plants in the pot, I decided to center him.. well.. i moved the soil over with him still in it.. filled in the gap with new soil.. and gave him some water.

Through the next week he started to decline rapidly, and although no fertilizer had been added in nearly 3 weeks, he started to show symptoms of what looked like nutrient burn.. the picture below of a leaf with the damage, it has been dead for a day but you can still see the small yellowish burn looking marks..

As a last ditch effort, i gave him a nice dose of distilled water with a good dose of superthrive in it.. and within a day poof he popped out 4 new small leaf sets underneath the last dying leaves..

I am in desperate need of advice.. I am trying not to screw the little guy up any more. I have cut off the dead foliage that was there.

I ask a question to the more experienced out there, from the pictures.. should i cut off the now wilting part of the last leaf top so that the new leaves can have more light? or just hope they recover?

thanks guys~

edit - as a note.. this plant is nearly 6 weeks old now by my count.. a very old little seedling.. please help me save the poor little guy

 

[EarlyMisty#1]

I don't know what to say brother, its been up for 6 weeks and it is that big, i dont even know if you should carry on. It doesnt look healthy at all

 

[growone]

some times it takes a while to catch the growing 'rhythm'
take this as another learning experience, less nutes more time
i got myself messed with chemical based soils in my 1st grow, moved onto organic and much the better for it
probably no need to cut at this point, though recovery will be tough

 

[Twils]

I am in desperate need of advice.. I am trying not to screw the little guy up any more.

Better hope for a girl if it lives I don't think the little "guy" will do you much good hehe

 

[MR M3RKLEZz]

yeah its fucked dont you know the basics of its better to add less then to much give it to your dog an start again lol

 

[laserbrn]

Alright.....The first 3-4 weeks of growing MJ is VERY simple.

Stop complicating it. If you really want to save this seedling (I wouldn't, but hey who's to stop you from doing what you want) just feed it f*cking water. Just water.

And if you decide to start over feed only water! Just water. Water, and nothing else for at least 3 weeks. It could go 6 weeks with just water I'm sure.

So we are pretty clear? Just water. It doesn't take a "green thumb" to get these things started. Just put it in the soil, add water. Bada Bing.

You start giving it "plant food" for no reason arbitrarily and you are going to kill the little fugger. Just feed it water.

Go out and get some real nutrients, set them aside and feed the little bugger nothing but good ol' fashioned water for 4 weeks.

Come back, post up pictures of your awesome little plant and we can give you some guidance on a nutrient feeding schedule and how you should proceed. But to kill your plant this early when all it needs is water is just sillyness.

I think I've made my point clear, but just in case there's a misunderstanding, next time feed it with what?

WATER

 

[MediMary]

well dont feed it anymore, if your using a soil like MG, it has time released nutes, so through the whole veg process it shouldnt need anything, maybe a little cal,mag and some lime.

good story though.. I liked reading it.. I wish yah the best. maybe you can put your baby outside for awhile, but it could already be shocked, and you could have a hermie now.

 

[blahblahblah123]

I understand now, just water! I've been reading through all the posts on here now instead of just skimming like before.. not going to torture the poor plant anymore, I promise. And yes i am using miracle grow.. I tried to find someplace with the fox farm brand i cant seem to find a serious gardening store.

My problem is I don't have any more seeds.. the marijuana i usually get does not have many seeds. I try to collect them when they do show up but not all of them seem completely formed when they are there.

It has lost 4 total of its sun leaves, and this is now the second growth that you see popping up (the little leaves).. is that likely too much shock for it to continue normally?

 

[growone]

normally no, but recovery can still happen
the perspective changes when you're short on seeds, what you've got is the best game in town
take it slow and easy, and the plant god willing, it will get much better than it is now

 

[laserbrn]

normally no, but recovery can still happen
the perspective changes when you're short on seeds, what you've got is the best game in town
take it slow and easy, and the plant god willing, it will get much better than it is now

You need to go out and get plain old organic soil. Don't use Fox Farms Ocean Forest either. Get something WITHOUT nutrients in the soil.

If you are going to use something with nutes in the soil you should use plain soil first and transplant into that after the seedlings are established. They don't need it in the beginning and it's just going to cause problems/burn your plants.

I would try to keep this one going if you don't have any more.

Flush it all out by watering with 3x as much as water as the container can hold. So if it's a 1 gallon container (I know it's not) you would use 3 gallons of water and just flush it through once. Let it dry out COMPLETELY and resume watering with plain ol' water. I'll bet she makes a recovery. Can't promise it won't hermie from the stress, but it's unlikely it would. Usually gotta use something like gibberellic acid to get a plant to hermie chemically. Good luck and let us know how she's looking in a week or two. You will only be able to see the recovery in the new growth, the old growth will always be ugly, but if she's makes a turn around that will only be the bottom part of the plant anyway.

 

[MediMary]

hey blah.. read these 2 threads.. ok
they will help you quite a bit I think!
ohyah there is nothing wrong with MG, I like moisture control, with lots and lots of perlite.

check these out.. should help you
https://www.rollitup.org/newbie-central/12071-noobs-if-you-fail-plan.html
https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/43505-yay-nay-miracle-grow.html

here are some growers that use MG
https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/42581-fletch-gettin-dirty-2-0-a.html
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/166743-pull-up-seat-theres-room.html

peace n luv good sir
https://www.rollitup.org/newbie-central/87989-how-use-miricle-grow.html

 

[beeker]

5th week of flowering, MG, 3 gal buckets, clones and from seed. 400w hps in a 4X5X8 ft ceiling room. GYO

 

[MediMary]

nice beeker,

 

[growone]

saw some advice on transplanting/flushing a few messages back
transplant could work, bit of a transplant shock, but could be the way to go
also saw a flushing suggestion
if you stick with MG soil, DO NOT FLUSH, that's almost a guarantee of a fried plant
the time release pellets will release a large amount of fertilizer with a large flush

 

[MediMary]

i dont see any perlight I think your going to have drainage problems

 

[blahblahblah123]

i dont see any perlight I think your going to have drainage problems

I looked at that stuff at the store but didn't understand exactly how your supposed to use it.. do you just mix it in with your soil? and if so in what quantity? I've been trying to let the soil almost dry out each time before i water again, takes 3-4 days or more usually..

I think I will stick with the MG soil for now, at least until it recovers a little.. scared to transplant it after just moving it a little seemed to about kill it.

 

[growone]

perlite is mixed in with soil to increase drainage. the more perlite, the faster the soil drains
i've seen growers that mix from 10% to 50 % perlite - lot of different strategies with perlite
can understand not transplanting - it's bit scary when you have a single sick plant

 

[laserbrn]

You guys read that wrong or I didn't explain it well. If in the FUTURE when you are starting new seedlings, start them first in plain old organic soil with no nutrients. THEN when they are ready to transplant (about 3 - 4 weeks old) transplant them into the MG or Fox Farms soil.

This removes the catastrophe of releasing nutes on very small seedlings. At this point I don't exactly know what you should do. If you flush you are afraid you'll release more nutes? I think at this point your plant has TONS of nutrients and it won't improve in this state. I would mix new soil and transplant. Use plain organic soil and flush it in the new soil. Try to get rid of those nutes. They are clearly killing the plant.

I know that "do nothing" probably isn't going to work. You're a bit in desperation mode now with that one and I would do anything I could to get the nutes outta there.

 

[growone]

laserbrn,

i just chimed in on the MG and flush as a 'backstop'
so many 1st time growers try to flush MG Potting soil, and it just kills them
including me on my 1st grow, tried to flush my way out a bad MGMC grow, it really didn't work

 

[laserbrn]

laserbrn,

i just chimed in on the MG and flush as a 'backstop'
so many 1st time growers try to flush MG Potting soil, and it just kills them
including me on my 1st grow, tried to flush my way out a bad MGMC grow, it really didn't work

I know and if he didn't already dump more nutes in there I would agree with you, but I don't think it's the MG that's killing it right now. He added nutes to the soil, you've got to get those out, they aren't going just go away if you don't flush them out.

And those pots are so big already this isn't looking good, that's all I'm going to say. I give this a 10% chance of survival. If this plant was still in a small cup/pot you could transplant it outta there and be okay, but I just don't think this is going to be pretty.