Michael Jackson is dead
- Thread starter CrackerJax
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solistics
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Oh how very droll! Give yourself a pat on the back for being so clever. But hey...since you asked.
Without wanting to spend too much time debating the idea of free speech or said presentation of free speech in the form of a post on a forum, when one is a celebrity you put yourself on a pedestal and openly subject yourself to opinion, be that personal or public. This is the price of celebrity. As a celebrity under the scrutiny of the press, the intimate details of your life are revealed in excruciating detail. Say for example a fading career in pop music or a child sex abuse court case. Based on this detail it is inevitable that members of the public at large will undoubtedly form an opinion. As a member of the public I myself have formed a personal opinion based on the information provided to me via a number of press outlets (paper, web, tv etc.).
My personal opinion is that Michael Jackson was a sad, mentally disturbed, shadow of a man who preyed on the trust of small children and for these reason I whole-heartedly feel the world is better off without him. Yes, I am aware that the most recent court case against him was discharged through lack of evidence but much like the O.J Simpson case, I and many others feel that he was guilty and due to the mishandling of the case allowed to walk free. I base my comment in my earlier post on this opinion.
Again, I'll make clear that this is my personal opinion and one which I am, just like you, entitled to.
CrackerJax
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So, no equations?
When someone doesn't know the ABC'S of an issue, they merely fill in XY and Z. Well done.
I didn't know MJ, so I am not as forward in passing judgment.
When someone doesn't know the ABC'S of an issue, they merely fill in XY and Z. Well done.
I didn't know MJ, so I am not as forward in passing judgment.
CrackerJax
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I don't know (gasp).
He was anorexic, so an overdose may not have been the cause. It may have contributed, but heart attacks are a common deadly after effect of anorexia. He was skin and bones.
He was anorexic, so an overdose may not have been the cause. It may have contributed, but heart attacks are a common deadly after effect of anorexia. He was skin and bones.
GrowTech
stays relevant.
Opinion was formed prior to the closure of the case, and when ANYONE is charged with a crime, and is found not guilty due to "lack of evidence" it generally means that the accused did not commit the crime, or it was found to be that way in the court room. No way to prove you committed the crime = You didn't commit the crime...
Of course, like I said- opinion was formed PRIOR to closure of any case, but due to perpetual ignorance, and how easily influenced people are to act as part of the herd, people ARE TREATED guilty before proven guilty, or in the case of Michael Jackson, before trial even begins.
GrowTech
stays relevant.
and children with manipulative opportunist parents tend to lie just as much as people who ARE guilty, so either way - nobody will ever know the truth, regardless of what it is...
CrackerJax
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I actually believe MJ when he says nothing "sexual" ever happened. Like the previous posters above me ( ^ ) MJ wanted to BE a child. Sex is in the adult arena, not a childs. Of course very few adults think this way and have a hard time believing it wasn't about sex, because deep inside themselves, they are adults and sex would be THEIR desire.
bicycle racer
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what does wanting to be a kid have to do with openly admitting you share your bed with various children giving and giving them alcohol etc? anyways ill leave this alone i have already made enough friends on this thread lol. it just bugs me when celebs get away with pretty much whatever they please anyone else with same evidence and charges would be in jail plain and simple. people get star struck and allow that to skew there reasoning imo. it does not matter so much now because he is dead. moving on yesterday i was out riding and ended up in encino there were a bunch of cops people and news vans evidently one of his and his families homes are in encino people were waiting at the gates had to be fifty news cameras and the street was closed.
CrackerJax
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I guess you have never had a sleep over.....
bicycle racer
Well-Known Member
i think you know what i mean believe what you will it does not matter now anyways.
CrackerJax
New Member
I just don't think Michael was a sexual person. All of his behaviors do not indicate it.
CrackerJax
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That was pretty funny... 
solistics
Active Member
I'm unclear as to what you're looking for here? Do you want me to illustrate the formula I used to rationalize my opinion?
Am I to understand from this statement that you feel that you DO know the ABC's of the issue and I don't? If the "issue" you are referring to is that of the child sex abuse case then, no I don't claim to have all the facts. The only people who truly know what went on in that room are Michael Jackson and the kids who shared his bed. I accept that a jury of his peers judged him as not guilty. That's the law. However it does not prohibit me from having a personal opinion based on the facts at hand and voicing that opinion. Do you think there should be no further debate around court cases that are ruled on? That we should blindly accept what is put in front of us? If so then I sincerely hope you are never falsely accused and subsequently imprisoned.
That's fair and your choice. I didn't know Michael Jackson either but I chose to both form and voice my opinion. That's all.
solistics
Active Member
No argument from me there! That's the law and to a certain extent human nature.
I can only speak for myself and I personally weighed all the information and formed an opinion of my own well after the verdict was passed not before. My opinion take into account not just the court case but all the previous documented incidents. It certainly wasn't a "knee-jerk" reaction to media speculation.
CrackerJax
New Member
Yes, exactly. MJ was found to be not guilty and unless you have some new evidence to illuminate upon us all, you are filling in XYZ.....yepper.
solistics
Active Member
And filling in XYZ is my prerogative as a free thinking person.
I'll note now that the evidence upon which you're basing your ABC didn't prove him to be innocent either. There was merely insufficient evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he was guilty. And look, I agree that in a civilized society people should be given the benefit of the doubt and presumed innocent until proven otherwise. I just feel that in this case the evidence was insufficient to sustain a conviction and in these cases it is fair game to form an opinion of your own outside of the strict boundaries of the legal system so long as that opinion is a personal opinion. I mean, I'm not lobbying to have his case re-heard....I just feel that given what I have been privy to information-wise he was guilty.