Soil vs. Soiless (hydroponics)

Bossman518

Active Member
Ok so i was wondering what makes soil and soiless mediums differ. i mean besides the fact that one uses dirt and the other uses water, but what are the advantages and disadvantages of hydroponics compared to soil.
-speed of growth
-yield
-ease
-affordability

basically I know how to grow using soils, but i also want to learn how hydroponics work and why, or even if, hydroponics are better than just soil.

and if someone could school me on hydroponics, thatd be GREAT:lol:
 

PlatinumKasse

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hydroponics has many benefits... but... isn't cheap to setup. if you are going to invest in setting a system up, make it aeroponics
 

Spittn4cash

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When I grew in soil-
After spending a little time in the grow room I would get dirt all over my clothes and on my hands, everything I touched got dirty which leaves a little more evidence than I need. I had a much bigger problem with gnats, fruit flies and spiders when I grew in soil, which meant more money I needed to put into it. When I grew in soil i made a lot of mistakes, one of them being overwatering and when U over water in soil it turns into mud, and if the mud dries out it will turn into a brick! Then U gotta spend even more money on the other ingredients U need for a good soil mix. I had a much bigger problem making sure the roots were getting oxygen, bcuz the soil could choke out the roots when it dries out during flowering bcuz the plants are drinking more.

When I grew in soiless mixes (Peat moss, perlite)-
Everything stay much cleaner even tho the problem with the fruit flies still continued. It dried out much quicker than the soil which meant more frequent watering. Whenever I would overwater in the peat moss it would drain much faster, making flushing easier and getting rid of more build up. The plants grew much faster in the soilless mix allowing them to get bigger in a shorter period of time, so i could harvest earlier. Potency was still comparable to soil.

Now Im growing in hydro-
To start off I had to cough up about $90 up front for some of the basic supplies I needed to start, including a pump, res, pots, nutes, ph tester. now I find out I need to cough up another $100 for a tds meter. I have noticed that the plants are loving the rockwool cubes. From pre-soaking in a cup to germination, my seeds sprouted in a total of 48hrs and was ready to go under the light. I've only had my plants in the cubes for a week and already they are working on their second nodes. The speed of growth is amazingly different from what Im used to seeing. I believe that by next week my seedling will be working on its 9th or 10th node at this rate. The whole hydro setup pretty much runs itself. Everything is controlled by timers and pumps, as long as U monitor your levels of everything and keep the res clean and at a cooler temp u will be fine. Hopefully U have proper ventilation or else the heat from ur lights may cause ur roots to rot, which isnt a problem Ive had to deal with until I switched to hydro.
I havent harvested any homegrown hydro but if U've ever bought some U would know the high is pretty good.

IMO the soiless is the best option

Soiless is easier, cleaner, better aerated, and has the advantages of both hydro and soil.

As far as price initially the soil is more inexpensive than hydro, but if U want a quality product, then hydro is the way to go..
 

Bossman518

Active Member
When I grew in soil-
After spending a little time in the grow room I would get dirt all over my clothes and on my hands, everything I touched got dirty which leaves a little more evidence than I need. I had a much bigger problem with gnats, fruit flies and spiders when I grew in soil, which meant more money I needed to put into it. When I grew in soil i made a lot of mistakes, one of them being overwatering and when U over water in soil it turns into mud, and if the mud dries out it will turn into a brick! Then U gotta spend even more money on the other ingredients U need for a good soil mix. I had a much bigger problem making sure the roots were getting oxygen, bcuz the soil could choke out the roots when it dries out during flowering bcuz the plants are drinking more.

When I grew in soiless mixes (Peat moss, perlite)-
Everything stay much cleaner even tho the problem with the fruit flies still continued. It dried out much quicker than the soil which meant more frequent watering. Whenever I would overwater in the peat moss it would drain much faster, making flushing easier and getting rid of more build up. The plants grew much faster in the soilless mix allowing them to get bigger in a shorter period of time, so i could harvest earlier. Potency was still comparable to soil.

Now Im growing in hydro-
To start off I had to cough up about $90 up front for some of the basic supplies I needed to start, including a pump, res, pots, nutes, ph tester. now I find out I need to cough up another $100 for a tds meter. I have noticed that the plants are loving the rockwool cubes. From pre-soaking in a cup to germination, my seeds sprouted in a total of 48hrs and was ready to go under the light. I've only had my plants in the cubes for a week and already they are working on their second nodes. The speed of growth is amazingly different from what Im used to seeing. I believe that by next week my seedling will be working on its 9th or 10th node at this rate. The whole hydro setup pretty much runs itself. Everything is controlled by timers and pumps, as long as U monitor your levels of everything and keep the res clean and at a cooler temp u will be fine. Hopefully U have proper ventilation or else the heat from ur lights may cause ur roots to rot, which isnt a problem Ive had to deal with until I switched to hydro.
I havent harvested any homegrown hydro but if U've ever bought some U would know the high is pretty good.

IMO the soiless is the best option

Soiless is easier, cleaner, better aerated, and has the advantages of both hydro and soil.

As far as price initially the soil is more inexpensive than hydro, but if U want a quality product, then hydro is the way to go..
Spittn4cash, Thankyou for that breakdown. I like the idea of using hydroponics now more than before. Im not as concerned about the money but more about doing the set up right. I geuss i could follow FilthyFletch's steps to building an aerogarden (when he finishes it). but i would know what to do.
 

TheConstantGardner

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Don't rule out DWC. They are cheap and easy to build. I've never used another hydroponic method, but have experienced explosive growth in my DWC grows.
 

paddy510

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Deep Water Culture, basically its a bucket of water(nute mix) with an airstone in it, plant sits in a little net pot mounted in the buckets lid and hangs its roots into the water.

theres the simple "hempy bucket", a bucket of perlite/vermiculite mix that you water/feed by hand. as simple as it gets.
 

Kiganoga

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How much of the netpot do you keep in the solution before the plant actually grows it's roots into the nutes below..?

And curiously..How big do you allow your seedlings to get before transfering them over to DWC?
 

cloudflyer

Well-Known Member
Ok so i was wondering what makes soil and soiless mediums differ. i mean besides the fact that one uses dirt and the other uses water, but what are the advantages and disadvantages of hydroponics compared to soil.
-speed of growth
-yield
-ease
-affordability

basically I know how to grow using soils, but i also want to learn how hydroponics work and why, or even if, hydroponics are better than just soil.

and if someone could school me on hydroponics, thatd be GREAT:lol:
Setting up a hydro system is CHEEP

3 tubs walmart $13ea
1 submersable pump 120 gph is fine $20 walmart
24" of 4" PVC $4 home depot
2 line air pump with 2 airstones all $25
1 roll 3/4 tubing walmart $10
Netcups $1 each
expanded clay pellets $10
Thats it
 

kochab

New Member
i had half my stuff @ home.$8 bucket $14 fish air pump $4.30 airstone $.95 plastic soil plant pot, $1 eoxy
 

nongreenthumb

Well-Known Member
For the moment I would say to leave the dwc and the aero alone.

Go for something simpler like maybe drip or flood and drain. Hydroponics is easy its just getting your head around it
 

cloudflyer

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I grow 4 times a year. 2 times on flood and drain and 2 times aeroponicly. Flood and drain is very simple and low maintaince. Aeroponics on the other hand is expensive (high PSI pump) and when things go wrong you only have a couple hours to fix them. I recompend flood and drain to learn.
 

Bossman518

Active Member
ok so flood and drain, thats what i want to do, seeeing how everyone says its easier What do i need for a flood and drain, how do I make one, and what do i need to know to be succesfull at this...
 

nongreenthumb

Well-Known Member
Ok for flood and drain what your going to need is.

Two seperate containers, one pretty deep and large to hold a large amount of water as a nutrient stock.

The second one probably only as much as 10" deep would be fine, this would be your tray to hold your plants in rockwool.


You would pump water from the large tank to the small tank to fill it with water so that all the plants within the system would be fed and then it is allowed to drain.

The way this works is that the outlet must be a smaller hold than the inlet. If you drain faster than you fill you want fill.

Make sure that you have some method for an overflow in case the pump stays on longer than it should do.

Nutrient res plus tray plus pump would probably set you back about 30 - 40 bucks, you could spend your remaining funds on a digital ph and ec meter.
 

cloudflyer

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ok so flood and drain, thats what i want to do, seeeing how everyone says its easier What do i need for a flood and drain, how do I make one, and what do i need to know to be succesfull at this...
3 tubs walmart $13ea
1 submersable pump 120 gph is fine $20 walmart
24" of 4" PVC $4 home depot
2 line air pump with 2 airstones all $25
1 roll 3/4 tubing walmart $10
Netcups $1 each
expanded clay pellets $10

Here is a pic I made to give you a better idea
 

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saka

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hi i need some help!i have some perlite ,soil ,sand and worm castings !my qestions is how much queaty (grams or mililiter)perlite,soil and sand have to mix up to make my own soil mix???????????thx in advanse for anwsers weed people!!!!!!sorry for my bad english!!!!
 

cloudflyer

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hi i need some help!i have some perlite ,soil ,sand and worm castings !my qestions is how much queaty (grams or mililiter)perlite,soil and sand have to mix up to make my own soil mix???????????thx in advanse for anwsers weed people!!!!!!sorry for my bad english!!!!
You need to post a new question. in the right thread
 

cloudflyer

Well-Known Member
The way this works is that the outlet must be a smaller hold than the inlet. If you drain faster than you fill you want fill.
This is not right.the overflow should be bigger than the inlet. otherwise it would not work as the overflow. The pump could keep pumping faster than it is draining. And it would, thats right OVERFLOW. The overflow tube is to prevent overflow. The water is being pumped therefore it has presure. My inlet is 3/4 in and overflow is 4". You adjust the height of the overflow to the desired level (1/4 in below the top of the mesh). The overflow also help put air in the water. When the pump turns off the water drains back thru the pump into your tank.
 
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