GypsyBush
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I was talking about these....
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I was talking about these....
Boulderheads
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I just left a post on his Gallon of Gas journal...and i can understand why he may come off like that, but to me any criticism from a man growing monsters like that will be much appreciated....Yeah, that link was the same pic, I am not sure why it posted the link and pic together. Guess it's time to upgrade the digital cam.
Thanks for turning me to Al B. Fuct as well gypsy, you were right his diagrams make following along stupid simple. The ebb and flow concept is brilliant and I will leave the soil growing to the vegetable gardens and the guerrilla ops. Thanks for the direction!!
Thanks for turning me to Al B. Fuct as well gypsy, you were right his diagrams make following along stupid simple. The ebb and flow concept is brilliant and I will leave the soil growing to the vegetable gardens and the guerrilla ops. Thanks for the direction!!
GypsyBush
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I am a firm believer of the "what works for you" theory...
A well tuned soil op is way more efficient than a crappy hydro grow...
A well dialed in ebb/flow op will kick the ass of a half ass aero grow...
So one must really strive to find the style of op that is the easiest to dial in according to your own life experience...
For me... hard numbers are easy to follow...
A well tuned soil op is way more efficient than a crappy hydro grow...
A well dialed in ebb/flow op will kick the ass of a half ass aero grow...
So one must really strive to find the style of op that is the easiest to dial in according to your own life experience...
For me... hard numbers are easy to follow...
Boulderheads
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Ok, soo fdd says to let the plant manage itself. Anything that isn't getting enough light will die off on it's own... gotta love a plant that takes care of itself
Boulderheads
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I agree with the hard numbers. Too many variables with soil. I see how it is very beginner friendly, and requires less initial setup..but the concept behind ebb and flow hydro just makes life that much easier. Foregoing a pump failure or loss of electricity, you set the thing up on timers and pretty much auto pilot from there on out. Adjust the problems as they arise. But like you said earlier, it is good to find someone you want to emulate and stick to the plan until you have successfully achieved the desired results. Then start playing around with the setup as you please. Good information Gypsy!! It is hard to sift through all of the methodologies out there and get a firm understanding of each without and application. Grateful for all the pioneers who came before and blazed the way...literally!
GypsyBush
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Gotta love that...
Also.. we prune indoors cause we got puny light bulbs...
The Sun is the biggest light bulb in the galaxy...
So it kinda makes sense to me...
Glad you asked someone that actually knows...
We have the ability to stand on the shoulders of those that came before us... to use all of their knowledge to our advantage...
I really do not understand why so many people insist on starting from scratch and figuring everything out on their own...
But hey... to each his own... right?
groputillor
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Hi Gypsy,
I've come to you because of your quote about Sea Of Green. This is my first post on your journal. I'm a noob on my first grow and all is going well, except that I can't make up my mind about what method/methods to use as I progress.
I've read a lot about SOG and ScrOG and Topping and LST and combinations of these, but I'm not sure which way to go. Tonight I tied one of my main stems down and clipped a mini top for experimentation/experience's sake (with some great help from your friend kingspade).
I know that I can do as little or as much topping and LST as I want and that it will just mean a longer wait but a higher yeild, but does my space make a difference? I'll post a couple photos so you can get a visual, but it's 22" x 27" x 6' and I just transplanted to 8" x 9" 3 gallon square pots.
I was all about scrog, but then I see things like Kingspade's recent post where he talks about how the net was slowing his growth and it makes me lean toward SOG with a lot of LST and a little topping to level out the caopy. What'dya think?
P.S. I've never seen a boring post from you. One of your photos is my desktop background. I've never seen photos like that, even in magazines with uber close up 1000 dollar cameras. Grow on bud.
I've come to you because of your quote about Sea Of Green. This is my first post on your journal. I'm a noob on my first grow and all is going well, except that I can't make up my mind about what method/methods to use as I progress.
I've read a lot about SOG and ScrOG and Topping and LST and combinations of these, but I'm not sure which way to go. Tonight I tied one of my main stems down and clipped a mini top for experimentation/experience's sake (with some great help from your friend kingspade).
I know that I can do as little or as much topping and LST as I want and that it will just mean a longer wait but a higher yeild, but does my space make a difference? I'll post a couple photos so you can get a visual, but it's 22" x 27" x 6' and I just transplanted to 8" x 9" 3 gallon square pots.
I was all about scrog, but then I see things like Kingspade's recent post where he talks about how the net was slowing his growth and it makes me lean toward SOG with a lot of LST and a little topping to level out the caopy. What'dya think?
P.S. I've never seen a boring post from you. One of your photos is my desktop background. I've never seen photos like that, even in magazines with uber close up 1000 dollar cameras. Grow on bud.
krakennkenji
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Wow man that was beautiful. DEF felt the chills, then laughed when I looked up and saw that you had said the same thing! Lots of good vids today! I love the shaolin kung-fu. Have you seen this guy on the uke???Still a favorite at the house of Gypsy...
This one brings chills down my spine and makes my hairs stand up every time...
This is definitely a must listen/watch....
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I actually went out and bought one after watching that
Ah, the things we'll do when baked.And BTW, happy 4th!
GypsyBush
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Hi Grop!
I gotta hand it to you...
What a nice post...
Thanks for the kind words...
I am glad you are thinking ahead... you are about to make what probably is the single most important decision of your early growing...
This decision's outcome is directly related to where you'll be 6 months from now...
Either smiling and giving buds away... or frustrated and dealing with all kinds of issues...
Take your time... a few weeks to make a plan now, can save months of hassle in the future...
I am not sure if you have read this thread by Al B. Fuct (my SoG Master)..
But even if you have... the timing couldn't be better for a quick review...
Check this... Noobs: If you fail to plan... plan to fail!
Let's consider this...
Take a sample of each "method"...
Look at SUCCESSFUL grows using each method...
I'm talking about the DIALED IN ops...
They are all different right...???
One has 200 lollipops under 2400w...
the other has 3 HUGE TREES under 2400w
Another will have 100 medium bushes under 2400w
What do they have in common though...???
I have learned that our lights are the weak link...
We can only get as much bud as our lights allow (in a dialed in op everything else is taken care of)...
So we see grows like MBlaze showing very similar G/W as my op...
We have the same lights... we are opposites in style... but we get about the same result... (especially if you consider that he is an experienced grower doing what he knows and that I am still a newb trying to figure out how to do this efficiently..)
So it really boils down to what works for you...
What style of growin agrees more with your space, hand, mentality, etc...
For example...
If you are a lazy stoner and your kitchen sink has a pile of dishes sitting there growing mold... you should stay away from aero set ups that require regular cleaning... you're not gonna do it and shit will die cause of it...
Now if the same guy goes with soil... it wil be a no brainer... he won't even mind a little dirt on the floor...
Now if you are an engineer type mind... a neat freak... clean and organized... the by all means look at StinkBud's system... it works, for the right kind of person...
I chose SoG mainly because I could understand Al B. Fuct and his way of explaining things...
I have actually interacted with him very little... none in the beginning...
I just read his threads... over and over and over and over again...
I found that every possible question was alrady in the near FOUR THOUSAND POSTS, followed by an answer from Al....
So it's all about finding something tha fits like a glove in your lifestyle...
For me... ebb/flow kicks ass... I'm lazy...
Cleaning is simple... nothing to clog.. tried and true "old hippie" approved...
I even go with a huge res so I don't even worry about topping off... more stable too...
I guess the best way I can think of it in "tops per square foot"...
You can have more little plants or less bigger plants...
And that is a choice you have to make...
Small plants like I have are great cause of the zero veg... but you get just a little per plant... so you have to have lots and lots.. and that can be scary...
Mblaze had 3 plants in his op...
I kill more than that per day every day...I love SCROGS... but I wil probably never do one... at least not anytime soon...
It's art... it's zen... and it's a ton of time and work...
Don't get me wrong..... I just said I love them... but I am not the personality to do one...
My worls is way too chaotic for something so planned and organized...
seriously...Hahaha.. the crazies are alway more fun...
And my records show you need to renew your subscription for copyright use before continuing use of the image... the free trial was only free for 3 days...
BUAAAHAHAHahahahhahha!!!! just joking bro... couldn't resist...clap:Anyways.. growing has become much easier with the invention of the internet...
learning HOW to learn however, is more important than ever in this age where infrmation is coming at us at light speeds...
Thanks... that's nice of you to say all that..I've never seen photos like that, even in magazines with uber close up 1000 dollar cameras. Grow on bud.
But I literally just point and shoot... can't take much credit for that...
I hope I made some sense...
GypsyBush
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That is AWESOME Kenji..!!!
Thank You so much for posting that..!!!
And happy 4th to you too!!!
krakennkenji
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Yeah he might be pretty good in a few years, with some more practice...Hey Kenji... how about this 11 year old kid...
I think he's gonna be pretty good when he grows up....
OMG holy shit man that kid is like a prodigy and a half! Yeah totally casual, just sittin' there, fuckin' wailing! WOW is all I can say... hard for me to wrap my head around something like that.