making a herme with gibberlic acid

[curious.george]

So I have a nice plant (White Rhino) and I want to turn it herme to make some feminized seeds. I got 1gram of gibberlic acid pounder in the internet. So I guess I am going to wing it and use a random amount and see what happens. If anybody has done this and wants to comment please do. If not I will try to put some updates here.
So far I put a small amount maybe 1/40 of a gram in a few drops of rubbing alcohol and poured that in 1.5 cups of water. I took a plant out of the 12/12 room that had gotten the top half damaged and put it under 24 hours of light. It was about 3 weeks in to budding. After 3 days I sprayed the plant a few times to see if the chemical would kill it or burn the leaves. I got a small burn where the spray pooled so I think it will be ok as far as not killing the plant. I also pored a little in to the soil from my spray bottle. I intend to wait for it to reveg and send out new vegetative shoots and then start spraying it daily. After 1 week of 12/12 I was intending on using a 6/6 schedule with 2 dark time a day or possibly putting the timer on random mode for a day.

Any suggestions for making my female produce male pollen sacks would be greatly appreciated. I will spread the seeds around, it will be good for the community.

 

[curious.george]

The plant is doing good and appears unharmed by the chemical so far, only the first spot I sprayed has a salt like film on it. The plant is turning toward the light nicely. Hopefully someone will have some input?

 

[curious.george]

the plant appears to be stretching big time on 20/0, which is a good sign because it is supposed to do that. I decided to spray another plant that I was going to take a bunch of clones from, because the stretching would be convenient for ripping clones, and to verify that the spray I made causes stretching.

 

[curious.george]

tips are turning yellow in the center, hopefully I did not use to much.

I switched the light cycle to 8 on 18 off and I am peaking and messing with it a lot so the light cycle is really weird. I threw another plant in there which I am not treating with chemicals to see if I get a herme with just weird light cycles.

 

[curious.george]

Now I see trics on the stems?

 

[BakedinBC]

ohhh boy chemicals.

Organic is the way bro

 

[Syriuslydelyrius]

You need to treat it with the gibberlic before the plant is blooming. The normal method would be to treat a plant, wait 2 weeks and treat again then put it into flowering.

**** IMPORTANT**** DO NOT SMOKE ANY PLANTS YOU HAVE TREATED WITH GIBBERLIC ACID..

Light cycle changes or another type of stress can also create a hermie. This can have problems though because if you use stress to create a hermie its children will also have the tendency to turn hermie if they encounter that type of stress.

The other option would be to use no stress or chemicals at all by just leaving that plant to grow under 12/12 an extra couple a few weeks or so. The plant not being polinated will reconize that it hasnt and it will then grow some ball sacks and attempt to polinate its self. You can then just let nature take its course and the plant should make a few seeds, or better yet save the pollen and use it to breed with other females later on down the road.

 

[spiked1]

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**** IMPORTANT**** DO NOT SMOKE ANY PLANTS YOU HAVE TREATED WITH GIBBERLIC ACID..

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I was going to stress this but was beaten to it, so I'll second it.

**** IMPORTANT**** DO NOT SMOKE ANY PLANTS YOU HAVE TREATED WITH GIBBERLIC ACID..

 

[curious.george]

ohhh boy chemicals.

Organic is the way bro

I agree! The weed I smoke is grown organically. The purpose of this is to produce feminized seeds. I intend to stop growing for 2 years in a year and when I start back up I want to have a big batch of feminized seeds. Which can be grown organically. For me organic is more of a scientific/health thing for me. I care what I put in my body. Organic is not a religious thing for me.

You need to treat it with the gibberlic before the plant is blooming. The normal method would be to treat a plant, wait 2 weeks and treat again then put it into flowering.

Thanks! I have not gotten any solid advice before you on this.

I did put it under 24 hours of light for about 10 days thinking it would re-veg. It looked like it had re-veged since it was only 2 weeks in to 12/12.
I was concerned that this plant had already expressed its sex actually, but the thing is this plant has big pre-flowers so it expresses sex before flowering. So I thought WTF. i might as well try with it now. I chose this plant because as I was packing my plants in the top of this plant got caught on another pot and the top of the plant was under a pot for a few days and the cola was a goner. I decided this plant was healthy enough for a few male sac's but not a huge amount of bud.

Anyhow, what is your opinion. Re-veg this plant now for longer, or put a new clone in there? I am about 3 weeks out before I have a new clone ready.

**** IMPORTANT**** DO NOT SMOKE ANY PLANTS YOU HAVE TREATED WITH GIBBERLIC ACID..

oh, yea! I would not do that. But there is some product out there which is meant to make your buds bigger with gibberlic acid in it. So I guess some people do.

Light cycle changes or another type of stress can also create a hermie. This can have problems though because if you use stress to create a hermie its children will also have the tendency to turn hermie if they encounter that type of stress.

Yes I do understand this problem, I like the gibberlic acid solution as it does not lead to genetics that tend to go hermie. But I don't actually know what I am doing.

The other option would be to use no stress or chemicals at all by just leaving that plant to grow under 12/12 an extra couple a few weeks or so. The plant not being polinated will reconize that it hasnt and it will then grow some ball sacks and attempt to polinate its self. You can then just let nature take its course and the plant should make a few seeds, or better yet save the pollen and use it to breed with other females later on down the road.

Tried it. Maybe it works for some strains, but not the ones I grow. An extra month in there after all the hairs turn red and no pollen sac.

I was going to stress this but was beaten to it, so I'll second it.

**** IMPORTANT**** DO NOT SMOKE ANY PLANTS YOU HAVE TREATED WITH GIBBERLIC ACID..

That is what people say. I don't like to consume chemicals. I did think it was intresting that I saw trics on the stems from this chemical. If this stuff does encourage resin production it is not unlikely that a lot of commercial bud has the stuff on it. I guess they use this stuff on seedless grapes.

 

[doctorchaos555]

giberellic acid is a hormone.... it makes the plant stretch if you treat it and have levels of GA beyond the amount thats naturally produced. so if you flush it correctly you can smoke it.

personally, i only use GA to germinate seeds. i have a GA inhibitor i'm dying to test out (paclobutrazol)

 

[Syriuslydelyrius]

giberellic acid is a hormone.... it makes the plant stretch if you treat it and have levels of GA beyond the amount thats naturally produced. so if you flush it correctly you can smoke it.

personally, i only use GA to germinate seeds. i have a GA inhibitor i'm dying to test out (paclobutrazol)

Correct that giberellic is a hormone. The amounts of GA3 in plants naturally are extreemly small compaired to the amounts nessesary to force a hermie. No matter how long or how well you flush a plant hermied with GA3 your going to be risking your health.

 

[Syriuslydelyrius]

I did put it under 24 hours of light for about 10 days thinking it would re-veg. It looked like it had re-veged since it was only 2 weeks in to 12/12.


Anyhow, what is your opinion. Re-veg this plant now for longer, or put a new clone in there? I am about 3 weeks out before I have a new clone ready.

10 to 14 days for any strain I have played with is enough time to put it back into a veg stage. A plant goes through many many changes during bloom and for this to work the plant needs to be treated during vegitation stage then wait that 2 weeks and treat again so that the GA3 can react and do its thing with the other hormones present in the plant during vegitation. Some strains will revert to veg faster than others so you maybe ok here. However just to cover your ass starting that new clone to try again would be a smart move.

In your situtation you just started bloom then switched back to veg. I suppose what I would do here would be to keep that plant in veg for 2 more weeks treat it again then wait just a couple more days then put it back into bloom. This may just do it and if not your new clone will be nearly ready to go.

I am by no means an expert with all the aspects of Gibberlic acid (GA3) and how they react with weed although I have used it in the past to hermie plants. Hopefully I was atleast some help though. Good luck and keep us posted.

 

[curious.george]

giberellic acid is a hormone.... it makes the plant stretch if you treat it and have levels of GA beyond the amount thats naturally produced. so if you flush it correctly you can smoke it.

personally, i only use GA to germinate seeds. i have a GA inhibitor i'm dying to test out (paclobutrazol)

I am not sure I understand the GA for seeds. I did some reading about this and could not find a common scientific logic. Could you explain what you intend to achieve with the GA on seeds?

10 to 14 days for any strain I have played with is enough time to put it back into a veg stage. A plant goes through many many changes during bloom and for this to work the plant needs to be treated during vegitation stage then wait that 2 weeks and treat again so that the GA3 can react and do its thing with the other hormones present in the plant during vegitation. Some strains will revert to veg faster than others so you maybe ok here. However just to cover your ass starting that new clone to try again would be a smart move.

Oh yea a new clone will be on its way. I kind of thought I might need a few tries since I have never done this before. 1st try would be nice though.

In your situtation you just started bloom then switched back to veg. I suppose what I would do here would be to keep that plant in veg for 2 more weeks treat it again then wait just a couple more days then put it back into bloom. This may just do it and if not your new clone will be nearly ready to go.

Ok, I am switching the lights back to 24/0 for 2 weeks today.

I am by no means an expert with all the aspects of Gibberlic acid (GA3) and how they react with weed although I have used it in the past to hermie plants. Hopefully I was atleast some help though. Good luck and keep us posted.

It is really nice to have someone who is willing to give a helpful bit of advice.

 

[Syriuslydelyrius]

Just figured I would add more to this.

A foliar feed of 100ppm or higher of GA3 is needed to turn a plant to hermie. The GA3 that I used was a powder and you had to mix it with a few drops of rubbing alchol to make it into a liquid then added the proper amount of water to that for the desired ppm. GA3 is not very water soluble and unless your going to flush your plants with somehow with alcohol, smoking that bud is not something I would do. There are various foliar sprays and seedling treatments with GA3 in them (20 to 30 ppm of GA3) and there are folks that use things such as this and smoke the buds which I suppose is fine, its just not something I like to do I guess just because poisonous chemicals (natural organtic ones included) even in small amounts still scare me.

You will want to expermint with that amount of ppm in your foliar feed. I have used as much as 400ppm but the lowest ppm while still inducing the hermie is what you should be working for. Also there are reports that hermaphrodites occurring three or more generations down the line using this process. I have had this happen but honestly it didnt seem like a common accurance for me. Its been years now sence I have screwed with this but when I did it didnt seem like a big issue. I did have plants hermie on me for an extra generation but I planted those seeds and those seeds never went hermie on me. I may have been lucky and it could be a strain thing as well so you will have to experiment and if it does happen just let that plant seed out and plant those new seeds for the next generations eventually they wont hermie.

Hopefully this will be helpfull for other folks and thanks for the +rep

 

[curious.george]

Just figured I would add more to this.

A foliar feed of 100ppm or higher of GA3 is needed to turn a plant to hermie. The GA3 that I used was a powder and you had to mix it with a few drops of rubbing alchol to make it into a liquid then added the proper amount of water to that for the desired ppm. GA3 is not very water soluble and unless your going to flush your plants with somehow with alcohol, smoking that bud is not something I would do. There are various foliar sprays and seedling treatments with GA3 in them (20 to 30 ppm of GA3) and there are folks that use things such as this and smoke the buds which I suppose is fine, its just not something I like to do I guess just because poisonous chemicals (natural organtic ones included) even in small amounts still scare me.

You will want to expermint with that amount of ppm in your foliar feed. I have used as much as 400ppm but the lowest ppm while still inducing the hermie is what you should be working for. Also there are reports that hermaphrodites occurring three or more generations down the line using this process. I have had this happen but honestly it didnt seem like a common accurance for me. Its been years now sence I have screwed with this but when I did it didnt seem like a big issue. I did have plants hermie on me for an extra generation but I planted those seeds and those seeds never went hermie on me. I may have been lucky and it could be a strain thing as well so you will have to experiment and if it does happen just let that plant seed out and plant those new seeds for the next generations eventually they wont hermie.

Hopefully this will be helpfull for other folks and thanks for the +rep

do you use the same EC/PPM meter to determine ppm that you do for your nutes?

 

[Syriuslydelyrius]

do you use the same EC/PPM meter to determine ppm that you do for your nutes?

No and I am not sure how well this would work either. I just used a mixing chart that I once had. Just search the web for "ppm calculator" and this should help get that "recipe" correct.

I suppose that after you follow the recipe from a ppm calculator you could test it with a PPM meter for shits and giggles but not sure its nessesary. Nore am I sure of the accuracy so useing a calculator and measuring your mix would be the way to do things.

**edited to add**

Now when I said 100ppm or higher this is sort of just a guideline. I have gone as high as 500ppm and as low as 75ppm but I also had some strains not hermie with the lower dose and I also had some plants that were quite adversely effected with a strong dose. Hence the reason to experiment if your attempt totally bombs its only costed you a bit of time and wasted 1 clone so keep at it and dont let minor setbacks stop you.

 

[lurkmaster]

So you were unsuccessful with rodelization?

I think you just needed to pay a little more attention to the plant, it probably had buds full of bananas you just did know what exactly to look for.

A non genetic hermi will not grow full on male parts, it will grow male bananas out of the buds, and these can be a challenge to find sometimes but this is what you are looking for if you want female pollen.

Otherwise its hermi pollen.

 

[curious.george]

So you were unsuccessful with rodelization?

I was not trying to get male pollen, I was just experimenting and let 1 plant go way to long. So was looking at it lot and I had a bunch of other plants in there that were in the first few weeks of flowering and I got no seeds.

No and I am not sure how well this would work either. I just used a mixing chart that I once had. Just search the web for "ppm calculator" and this should help get that "recipe" correct.

I suppose that after you follow the recipe from a ppm calculator you could test it with a PPM meter for shits and giggles but not sure its nessesary. Nore am I sure of the accuracy so useing a calculator and measuring your mix would be the way to do things.

**edited to add**

Now when I said 100ppm or higher this is sort of just a guideline. I have gone as high as 500ppm and as low as 75ppm but I also had some strains not hermie with the lower dose and I also had some plants that were quite adversely effected with a strong dose. Hence the reason to experiment if your attempt totally bombs its only costed you a bit of time and wasted 1 clone so keep at it and dont let minor setbacks stop you.

A questin for you, How much stretching did you see after applying the GA?

Update:
So the main plant died, it just stretched and stretched and lost all of its green. I sprayed it with the GA spray about 20 times, and pored some in the soil. Clearly too much! The stretching was amazing, the plat looked so weird. The top branches got so long they snapped off and the bottom branches got long enough to seem like they were the top branches. The plant could not process nutes as fast as it was growing. I went and sprayed my sunflower outside just for shits and giggles.
I have another plant that I sprayed just 1 time to see what would happen, about 10 days ago. It has stretched a lot too and lost a little of the dark green. I think I will give this plant 1 more spray and put it in the 12/12 room.
Initially I was not even sure is the gibberlic acid I had was real. So I used more than I thought I needed to be sure I saw an effect. Clearly the stretching is noticeable with the concentration I was using.
I had no mixing chart, just a gram of powder, so I just put a sprinkle (about 50mg) in a few drops of alchol and that in 1 cup of water. So it was a bit random. It seems like you could judge the strength of the GA spray from the amout of stretching I see.

 

[bicycle racer]

i recently reversed a tahoe og kush with homemade colloidal silver its forming male pods on the treated branch now. i have used ga as well it does cause massive stretching. at low doses 10ppm on plants with many internodes it helps growth on young plants it screws them up. it is used on food crops throughout the us its not nearly as dangerous as people say but treat with caution.

 

[curious.george]

i recently reversed a tahoe og kush with homemade colloidal silver

I read something about this, it seems like a good way to go.

its forming male pods on the treated branch now. i have used ga as well it does cause massive stretching. at low doses 10ppm on plants with many internodes it helps growth on young plants it screws them up. it is used on food crops throughout the us its not nearly as dangerous as people say but treat with caution.

Why did you not continue to use GA?