taxed by the mile?
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ChChoda
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So we all should ride bikes, everywhere? I prefer my gas powered truck for long hauls, thanks...
medicineman
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Just got back from a 900 mile excursion through central Arizona, Sedona area where I own a time share, In my 04 dodge hemi, with 3 adults and three kids and all the bullshit carry-along that entails, about 7,000 Lbs. GVW, Got 19.5 MPG, average highway speed, 78MPH. Not bad for an old truck, eh?
ChChoda
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Dolce Vita
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medicineman
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Actually, it was, except the 4 door model. I have the predator power chip and yes, I could do that with an empty truck. The dodge Hemi is a wonderful engine for a truck. Plenty of torque and HP, and decent mileage to boot. It would lay rubber to the end of my cul-de-sac and probably further. I save that kind of shenanigans for my 500 HP 62 chevy nova. That puppy will get your attention, fast.
With 1200 lbs less weight, without all the people and cargo, I believe I could get 21-22 MPG on the highway if I drove the speed limits.
lopezri
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I'm not trying to cause debate here. I'm trying to get someone to answer the question. Maybe someone who has some in depth insight into economics.
In the long run, wouldn't it all even out? If you're paying tax for gas now, but then everybody switches to alternative fuels. . . would this not just replace the pump tax? If you're not paying tax at the pump, then you'd pay tax through the GPS billing company. (Am I looking at this right?)
I know that nobody wants to pay tax, but hey, if we're going to use the road system, somebody, somewhere needs to pay for the maintenance and upkeep, right?
Now what WOULDN'T be fair is if public transportation systems were funded from this GPS tax. Public transportation should be charging their own customers, not people who don't use their services, to pay for THEIR maintenance and upkeep and to build new facilities, etc.
medicineman
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Dolce Vita
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Nova cool! yeah i know a guy that totaled his hemi ram and offered me the engine to put in my s-10... i said no but that woulda been one bad ass little truck
TheBrutalTruth
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The road system should be paid out of property taxes and state and local income taxes as everyone regardless of whether they own a vehicle or not use it.
If you walk on a sidewalk, you are using the roadways, if you bike, you are using the roadways, if you use a vehicle, you are using the roadways. The GPS tracker is an imbecilic attempt by a two bit bureaucrat to punish people for driving vehicles. The person that came up with it is obviously a Bureaucrat First, a Republican Second and a Conservative Last.
Besides, the entire idea being espoused behind a GPS tracker in every vehicle is a gross violation of privacy that reeks of attempts by the State to dictate to and control the populous.
It's a stupid idea, and violates the 4th amendment.
snowmanexpress
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Im just trying to think of the 16 million to Iowa to research this project. And how quick they could come up with 16 million.....lets see here....
some math. maybe.
16,000,000 divided by hmmm lets say.....2.50 a gallon. but we cant do the gallon, we gotta do the tax the gov gets on a gallon itself.
so Im working this at 2.50 cents a gallon.
I remember during some old gas wars days I filled up once at 79 cents a gallon. Oh those were the days. ha. only like 14 years ago. I think minimum wage was around 4.25 back then. haha. man time flys holy shit. Since then, alot of other prices have tripled and almost eclipsed minimum wage, what is it now like 7 bucks?
OK back to 2009.
Fuel taxes in the United States vary by state. For the first quarter of 2009, the mean state gasoline tax is 27.2 cents per US gallon, plus 18.4 cents per US gallon federal tax making the total 45.6 cents per US gallon (12.0 ¢/L). For diesel, the mean state tax is 26.6 cents per US gallon plus an additional 24.4 cents per US gallon federal tax making the total 50.8 cents US per gallon (13.4 ¢/L).[13]
Okay lets say 45 cents a gallon.
I got 35,555,555.55
so 35 million gallons of gas we gotta sell to make 16 mill guys, cmon chop chop here.
Alright so 35 million gallons. How many tanks would that take to fill?
Lets say the average tank is 16 gallons.
It would take roughly 2 1/4 million americans with a 16 gal tank, maybe someone who owns a hemi will help contribute hehe to make this 16 mill happen.
How many people in america get gas everyday?
well lets do a wiki search......
it says something like 360 million gallons a day.
That means, at these rates. 16 million per day for the government. more like double, around 30 million dollars per day.
Thats ALOT OF LOOT IN ONE DAY HOLY SHIIIIIIIIT!
Is my math wrong?
That aint right? is it?
you mean to tell me that feds bank 32 million dollars a day in just gas tax?
That means, per year, lets multiply 32 million by 365 hmmmm......
I just got a number I dont even know what the calculator spit out at me, it cant even add correctly. HOLY SHIT ARE YOU KIDDING ME???
ok nvm I got 11,680,000,000 per year......
11 trillion dollars?
WHAT ARE YOU FUCKIN KIDDING MEE HOLY SHIIIIT!!!
Wait a sec, off 45 cents a gallon, you mean to tell me fed/state split are banking 11 trillion dollars in a year what the FOCK.
Cmon guys, at this rate, I think we can almost audit the fed. Whos with me haha.
Lets just do stupid stuff, like drivers licence renewals, and clothes tax, and cig tax, and housing tax, licence tabs, fishing licences, road toll tax, and IRS tax, State tax, and what other taxes can we do, playing with fake money sure is fun.
some math. maybe.
16,000,000 divided by hmmm lets say.....2.50 a gallon. but we cant do the gallon, we gotta do the tax the gov gets on a gallon itself.
so Im working this at 2.50 cents a gallon.
I remember during some old gas wars days I filled up once at 79 cents a gallon. Oh those were the days. ha. only like 14 years ago. I think minimum wage was around 4.25 back then. haha. man time flys holy shit. Since then, alot of other prices have tripled and almost eclipsed minimum wage, what is it now like 7 bucks?
OK back to 2009.
Fuel taxes in the United States vary by state. For the first quarter of 2009, the mean state gasoline tax is 27.2 cents per US gallon, plus 18.4 cents per US gallon federal tax making the total 45.6 cents per US gallon (12.0 ¢/L). For diesel, the mean state tax is 26.6 cents per US gallon plus an additional 24.4 cents per US gallon federal tax making the total 50.8 cents US per gallon (13.4 ¢/L).[13]
Okay lets say 45 cents a gallon.
I got 35,555,555.55
so 35 million gallons of gas we gotta sell to make 16 mill guys, cmon chop chop here.
Alright so 35 million gallons. How many tanks would that take to fill?
Lets say the average tank is 16 gallons.
It would take roughly 2 1/4 million americans with a 16 gal tank, maybe someone who owns a hemi will help contribute hehe to make this 16 mill happen.
How many people in america get gas everyday?
well lets do a wiki search......
it says something like 360 million gallons a day.
That means, at these rates. 16 million per day for the government. more like double, around 30 million dollars per day.
Thats ALOT OF LOOT IN ONE DAY HOLY SHIIIIIIIIT!
Is my math wrong?
That aint right? is it?
you mean to tell me that feds bank 32 million dollars a day in just gas tax?
That means, per year, lets multiply 32 million by 365 hmmmm......
I just got a number I dont even know what the calculator spit out at me, it cant even add correctly. HOLY SHIT ARE YOU KIDDING ME???
ok nvm I got 11,680,000,000 per year......
11 trillion dollars?
WHAT ARE YOU FUCKIN KIDDING MEE HOLY SHIIIIT!!!
Wait a sec, off 45 cents a gallon, you mean to tell me fed/state split are banking 11 trillion dollars in a year what the FOCK.
Cmon guys, at this rate, I think we can almost audit the fed. Whos with me haha.
Lets just do stupid stuff, like drivers licence renewals, and clothes tax, and cig tax, and housing tax, licence tabs, fishing licences, road toll tax, and IRS tax, State tax, and what other taxes can we do, playing with fake money sure is fun.
TheBrutalTruth
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11.6 Billion, not Trillion
1,000,000,000 = Billion
1,000,000,000,000 = Trillion
snowmanexpress
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Oh ya haha, with that (t)rillion word getting tossed around so much it stuck in my head. Kinda like (t)ransparency.
Still alot of money. I think?
I remember hearing the word billion as a kid, screw a trillion, what the hell is a trillion anyways? and what a word that was, almost like gazillion when we were kids right? or gigaazillion dollars. An astronomical number regardless.
So it probly is just a dent then eh at 11 billion dollars? I mean, cmon, what could you REALLY do with 11 billion dollars.....not much these days anymore eh? sigh.
Do you think soon in 10 years, the word gazillion will be thrown around like nobody's business either? I hope not. Its nice to have a recession eh? Bring these trillions back down to billions, then after a while, go back to the word trillion again. makes that million word look like chump change.
(t)hanks!
TheBrutalTruth
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Yeah, it's definitely a lot of money. I could probably establish a company to mine asteroids with 1.1 Billion.
Or with 110 Million (1%) start a new manufacturing company
Or with 11 Million (.1%) retire
Or with 1.1 Million buy a nice house with a few acres and some cars.
Or with 110,000 buy one of the electric cars manufactured by Tesla Motors
Or with 11,000 pay of the dental bills that I owe and still have plenty left over.
Or with 1,100 pay my bills for a month (well, that'd take a little more.)
Amazing how much difference a scale of magnitude can make.
With 11 Trillion on the other hand...
Well, I don't think I'd be able to live long enough to spend 11 Trillion Dollars regardless of how fast I was spending it. Only governments can be so spend thrift as that.
Dolce Vita
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I'm going to drive in reverse everywhere, then i will get $ back
If you live for 100 years and had to spend 11 trillion dollars you would have to spend almost 30 million dollars every single day since you were born to go through it all. 1 man cannot spend that much, how would you find things to buy after a week? I mean in 1 week you would have spent 210 million dollars. WTF would you buy? it would get real fucking hard to find things to buy after a while.
TheBrutalTruth
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I think I'd settle on a House for me, kick a few million to my parents, my little sister and my best friend, and then just travel the country giving money away at random.
It'd be a lot of fun, but I probably still wouldn't live long enough to give it all away. 30 Million a day, that would mean giving 300 people 100,000 or 3,000 people 10,000 every day. That would take a lot of time.
And the media would probably be continuously wasting my time, I'd have to hire people just to beat the shit out of any reporter stupid enough to try bothering me while I was doing that.
medicineman
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A lot of bullshit dreaming going on in here. Maybe you righties should figure out how to live on what you make and quit dreaming about becoming millionaires/billionaires/trillionaires. It aint gonna happen, not in this world anyway, maybe the next one, eh? Dream-on.
TheBrutalTruth
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better an optimist than being a slave-driver, Enslaver.
medicineman
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Most people that actually make that M/B/Trillionaire status, end up being "Slave-drivers or Enslavers", Just a heads up from reality. It's got not so much to do with optimism as it has to do with ego and over-active drive and unquenchable ambition, or consequential opportunism. Most Millionaires, the real wealthy ones, 20-50+ million, have long ago lost their humanity.
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