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laserbrn

laserbrn

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Alright I read the whole thing. You REALLY need to test the ph of your runoff. You are chasing down a problem without using the proper TOOLS to diagnose it.

Let's say your ph is at 4.5 in the soil. You add MORE Nutrients to resolve the problem because it showing up as a defeciency. Now your soil ph is even lower, the buildup greater and the the ph problem has already caused a lockout so adding it won't help. It will likely just lock out other nutrients.

You've got high P fertilizers in there as well and you don't really know what you're doing. Water for 3 or 4 watering with just plain ol' water. Then add back your BASE nutrients at 1/2 strength. Then water with water, then nutes, then water.

You can't just mix up nutrients every time and feed with them every watering. This is what happens. A lot of new growers add WAY too many nutrients and don't realize the buildup in the soil.

CHECK THE PH FIRST!
 
kewldjboy420

kewldjboy420

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whats a 1 part nute? i have been using ditilled water mixed with botanicare pure blend pro and botanicare sweet along with foxfarms beastieblooms. i was using the the open sesame before the beastieblooms and plan on using foxfarms cha-ching in the last weeks...ill be getting a ph meter and calmag this week too...shame on me for not having one allready....

 
kewldjboy420

kewldjboy420

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laserbrn said:
Alright I read the whole thing. You REALLY need to test the ph of your runoff. You are chasing down a problem without using the proper TOOLS to diagnose it.

Let's say your ph is at 4.5 in the soil. You add MORE Nutrients to resolve the problem because it showing up as a defeciency. Now your soil ph is even lower, the buildup greater and the the ph problem has already caused a lockout so adding it won't help. It will likely just lock out other nutrients.

You've got high P fertilizers in there as well and you don't really know what you're doing. Water for 3 or 4 watering with just plain ol' water. Then add back your BASE nutrients at 1/2 strength. Then water with water, then nutes, then water.

You can't just mix up nutrients every time and feed with them every watering. This is what happens. A lot of new growers add WAY too many nutrients and don't realize the buildup in the soil.

CHECK THE PH FIRST!
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where should my ph be? and thanx!
 
JohnnyBravo

JohnnyBravo

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kewldjboy420 said:
whats a 1 part nute? i have been using ditilled water mixed with botanicare pure blend pro and botanicare sweet along with foxfarms beastieblooms. i was using the the open sesame before the beastieblooms and plan on using foxfarms cha-ching in the last weeks...ill be getting a ph meter and calmag this week too...shame on me for not having one allready....
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PH IS PRETTY CRUCIAL....check out this chart showing that a ph of 6.5 allows the greatest absorbtion of the crucial nutrients your babies need.....when falling to low or going to high, some nutrients cant be absorbed my your plant......then you add more nutes thinking that will solve the problem (like the other guy said)......which throws off the ph even more......good info here
http://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/500/PH_CHART.jpg
 
laserbrn

laserbrn

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As stated above, your PH needs to be at about 6.5. I'm willing to bet yours is in the 4's.

I would also back of the high P fertilizers when you do resume. Beastie Bloomz, and Cha-Chaing those are going to cause you more harm than good when everything else isn't well.

Add back, just the botanicare pure blend pro @ 1/2 strength AFTER you've watered with plain water 3 - 4 times. I'm not a fan of one part nutrients either, but I don't think it's why you are having troubles.

The leaves that are yellow will likely stay yellow, but the plant will start to look healthier overall.

How soon is that PH meter coming?
 
T

trance

Active Member
With your distilled water, the ph is probably quite close to 7 if not bang on 7. With you adding all these nutes to your distilled water you are probably watering your plants with 5.5-6 ph at a guess. Ideally you should be using your meter to ph the distilled/nute water to 6.5, then watering. Agreed, you probably have a wee bit too much nutes in your soil as well. this will also not be helping. I am sure once you sort these things out you will be fine ;-)
 
mygirls

mygirls

Medical Marijuana (MOD)
RIGHT FROM THE GROW FAX..
MOBILE ELEMENTS
Mobile elements are more likely to exhibit visual deficiencies in the older leaves, because during demand these elements will be exported to the new growth.

Nitrogen (N)
Nitrate - Ammonium is found in both inorganic and organic forms in the plant, and combines with carbon, hydrogen, oxygen and sometimes sulfur to form amino acids, amino enzymes, nucleic acids, chlorophyll, alkaloids, and purine bases. Nitrogen rates high as molecular weight proteins in plant tissue.
Plants need lots of N during vegging, but it's easy to overdo it. Added too much? Flush the soil with plain water. Soluble nitrogen (especially nitrate) is the form that's the most quickly available to the roots, while insoluble N (like urea) first needs to be broken down by microbes in the soil before the roots can absorb it. Avoid excessive ammonium nitrogen, which can interfere with other nutrients.
Too much N delays flowering. Plants should be allowed to become N-deficient late in flowering for best flavor.

Nitrogen Deficiencies:
Plants will exhibit lack of vigor, slow growth and will be weak and stunted. Quality and yield will be significantly reduced. Older leaves become yellow (chlorotic) from lack of chlorophyll. Deficient plants will exhibit uniform light green to yellow on older leaves, these leaves may die and drop. Leaf margins will not curled up noticeably. Chlorosis will eventually spread throughout the plant. Stems, petioles and lower leaf surfaces may turn purple.



Figure 9

As seen in figure 10 consumption of nitrogen (N) from the fan leaves during the final phase of flowing is 100% normal.



Figure 10

Nitrogen Toxicity:
Leaves are often dark green and in the early stages abundant with foliage. If excess is severe, leaves will dry and begin to fall off. Root system will remain under developed or deteriorate after time. Fruit and flower set will be inhibited or deformed.
With breakdown of vascular tissue restricting water uptake. Stress resistance is drastically diminished.
 
JohnnyBravo

JohnnyBravo

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kewldjboy420 said:
test the water make sure the ph is good then add the nutes? im confused as to how thats gonna tell me what the soils ph is
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say you start with distilled water with a ph of 7.0.....when you add nutes it will drop the ph....the more nutes the lower the ph.....so after you add nutes to your water then you check ph and adjust accordingly....most likely you will have to add "PH UP" solution to raise the ph to 6.5
 
mygirls

mygirls

Medical Marijuana (MOD)
JohnnyBravo said:
say you start with distilled water with a ph of 7.0.....when you add nutes it will drop the ph....the more nutes the lower the ph.....so after you add nutes to your water then you check ph and adjust accordingly....most likely you will have to add "PH UP" solution to raise the ph to 6.5
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yes what johnny said...:hump:
 
kewldjboy420

kewldjboy420

Member
allrighty had two feedings of nuthin but water ph'd @ 6.5 then had two feedings with half strength veg nutes and cal-mag all ph'd to 6.5 and let me tell you what a difference.....thanks guys....im gonna post some new pix in the next day or two....they are looking sweet. im thinkin i got two more weeks and they ready the buds have really fattened up nicely and some of them have some purple in them.....i cant tell you guys how much i appreciate all the help and big ups to johnnybravo
 
brasmith

brasmith

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kewldjboy420 said:
allrighty had two feedings of nuthin but water ph'd @ 6.5 then had two feedings with half strength veg nutes and cal-mag all ph'd to 6.5 and let me tell you what a difference.....thanks guys....im gonna post some new pix in the next day or two....they are looking sweet. im thinkin i got two more weeks and they ready the buds have really fattened up nicely and some of them have some purple in them.....i cant tell you guys how much i appreciate all the help and big ups to johnnybravo
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NICE DJ! So glad to hear the girls are bouncing back with gusto:weed:
 
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