been to cali, been to canada, and so far i prefer my own or friend growing mine over anything i could pay for, however i cannot speak for dutch or hidu kush weed.. as far as the growers in cali, they're way to secretive, get out a little farther east and we all share all knowledge, fuck oaksterdam and they're high priced crap classes, fuck ed rosthenhol, you can learn everything he knows from this site and a few months of hands on experimentation. we're supposed to be working together, not against each other, unfortunately the elitist cali growers seem to be creating this war of information, unwilling to help the whole community as a team. we're all in this together, sink or swim, forget cali, newmexico/colorado have them beat with their pants down. and compassion clubs? what a fucking joke, you should be ashamed of yourself cali, the only thing good to come from you is porn. your prime was the 60's now start being a team player or hurry up and fall off into the ocean, because i speak for many of my fellow sisters in saying that im tired of hearing how good your shit is and seeing how much your people's attitudes suck, ultimately finding cali and cali quality to be a step above step.