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Mindmelted

Well-Known Member
Chris Rock said it best, we don't want a president under the U.N. table blowing someone for a bit of coke!
American Capitalism…Gone with a Whimper

The irony of this article appearing in the English edition of Pravda (Russian State Newspaper) defies description.

It must be said, that like the breaking of a great dam, the American descent into Marxism is happening with breath taking speed, against the back drop of a passive, hapless “sheeple”, excuse me dear reader, I meant people.

True, the situation has been well prepared on and off for the past century, especially the past twenty years. The initial testing grounds was conducted upon our Holy Russia and a bloody test it was. But we Russians would not just roll over and give up our freedoms and our souls, no matter how much money Wall Street poured into the fists of the Marxists.

Those lessons were taken and used to properly prepare the American populace for the surrender of their freedoms and souls, to the whims of their elites and betters.

First, the population was “dumbed down” through a politicized and substandard education system based on pop culture, rather than the classics. Americans know more about their favorite TV dramas than the drama in DC that directly affects their lives. They care more for their "right" to choke down a McDonalds burger or a Burger King burger than for their constitutional rights. Then they turn around and lecture us about our rights and about our "democracy". Pride blind the foolish.

Then their faith in God was destroyed, until their churches, all tens of thousands of different "branches and denominations" were for the most part little more than Sunday circuses and their televangelists and top protestant mega preachers were more than happy to sell out their souls and flocks to be on the "winning" side of one pseudo Marxist politician or another. Their flocks may complain, but when explained that they would be on the "winning" side, their flocks were ever so quick to reject Christ in hopes for earthly power. Even our Holy Orthodox churches are scandalously liberalized in America .

The final collapse has come with the election of Barack Obama. His speed in the past three months has been truly impressive. His spending and money printing has been record setting, not just in America 's short history but in the world. If this keeps up for more than another year, and there is no sign that it will not, America at best will resemble the Wiemar Republic and at worst Zimbabwe.

These past two weeks have been the most breath taking of all. First came the announcement of a planned redesign of the American Byzantine tax system, by the very thieves who used it to bankroll their thefts, losses and swindles of hundreds of billions of dollars. These make our Russian oligarchs look little more than ordinary street thugs, in comparison. Yes, the Americans have beat our own thieves in the sheer volumes. Should we congratulate them?

These men, of course, are not an elected panel but made up of appointees picked from the very financial oligarchs and their henchmen who are now gorging themselves on trillions of American dollars, in one bailout after another. They are also usurping the rights, duties and powers of the American congress (parliament). Again, congress has put up little more than a whimper to their masters.

Then came Barack Obama's command that GM's (General Motors) president step down from leadership of his company. That is correct, dear reader, in the land of "pure" free markets, the American president now has the power, the self given power, to fire CEOs and we can assume other employees of private companies, at will. Come hither, go dither, the centurion commands his minions.

So it should be no surprise, that the American president has followed this up with a "bold" move of declaring that he and another group of unelected, chosen stooges will now redesign the entire automotive industry and will even be the guarantor of automobile policies. I am sure that if given the chance, they would happily try and redesign it for the whole of the world, too. Prime Minister Putin, less than two months ago, warned Obama and UK 's Blair, not to follow the path to Marxism. It only leads to disaster. Apparently, even though we suffered 70 years of this Western sponsored horror show, we know nothing, as foolish, drunken Russians, so let our "wise" Anglo-Saxon fools find out the folly of their own pride.

Again, the American public has taken this with barely a whimper...but a "freeman" whimper.

So, should it be any surprise to discover that the Democratically controlled Congress of America is working on passing a new regulation that would give the American Treasury department the power to set "fair" maximum salaries, evaluate performance and control how private companies give out pay raises and bonuses? Senator Barney Franks, a social pervert basking in his homosexuality (of course, amongst the modern, enlightened American societal norm, as well as that of the general West, homosexuality is not only not a looked down upon life choice, but is often praised as a virtue) and his Marxist enlightenment, has led this effort. He stresses that this only affects companies that receive government monies, but it is retroactive and taken to a logical extreme, this would include any company or industry that has ever received a tax break or incentive.

The Russian owners of American companies and industries should look thoughtfully at this and the option of closing their facilities down and fleeing the land of the Red as fast as possible. In other words, divest while there is still value left.

The proud American will go down into his slavery without a fight, beating his chest and proclaiming to the world, how free he really is. The world will only snicker.

Will we let Ignorance and Laziness bring our Demise!!!!
 

w1ckedchowda

Well-Known Member
American Capitalism…Gone with a Whimper

The irony of this article appearing in the English edition of Pravda (Russian State Newspaper) defies description.

It must be said, that like the breaking of a great dam, the American descent into Marxism is happening with breath taking speed, against the back drop of a passive, hapless “sheeple”, excuse me dear reader, I meant people.

True, the situation has been well prepared on and off for the past century, especially the past twenty years. The initial testing grounds was conducted upon our Holy Russia and a bloody test it was. But we Russians would not just roll over and give up our freedoms and our souls, no matter how much money Wall Street poured into the fists of the Marxists.

Those lessons were taken and used to properly prepare the American populace for the surrender of their freedoms and souls, to the whims of their elites and betters.

First, the population was “dumbed down” through a politicized and substandard education system based on pop culture, rather than the classics. Americans know more about their favorite TV dramas than the drama in DC that directly affects their lives. They care more for their "right" to choke down a McDonalds burger or a Burger King burger than for their constitutional rights. Then they turn around and lecture us about our rights and about our "democracy". Pride blind the foolish.

Then their faith in God was destroyed, until their churches, all tens of thousands of different "branches and denominations" were for the most part little more than Sunday circuses and their televangelists and top protestant mega preachers were more than happy to sell out their souls and flocks to be on the "winning" side of one pseudo Marxist politician or another. Their flocks may complain, but when explained that they would be on the "winning" side, their flocks were ever so quick to reject Christ in hopes for earthly power. Even our Holy Orthodox churches are scandalously liberalized in America .

The final collapse has come with the election of Barack Obama. His speed in the past three months has been truly impressive. His spending and money printing has been record setting, not just in America 's short history but in the world. If this keeps up for more than another year, and there is no sign that it will not, America at best will resemble the Wiemar Republic and at worst Zimbabwe.

These past two weeks have been the most breath taking of all. First came the announcement of a planned redesign of the American Byzantine tax system, by the very thieves who used it to bankroll their thefts, losses and swindles of hundreds of billions of dollars. These make our Russian oligarchs look little more than ordinary street thugs, in comparison. Yes, the Americans have beat our own thieves in the sheer volumes. Should we congratulate them?

These men, of course, are not an elected panel but made up of appointees picked from the very financial oligarchs and their henchmen who are now gorging themselves on trillions of American dollars, in one bailout after another. They are also usurping the rights, duties and powers of the American congress (parliament). Again, congress has put up little more than a whimper to their masters.

Then came Barack Obama's command that GM's (General Motors) president step down from leadership of his company. That is correct, dear reader, in the land of "pure" free markets, the American president now has the power, the self given power, to fire CEOs and we can assume other employees of private companies, at will. Come hither, go dither, the centurion commands his minions.

So it should be no surprise, that the American president has followed this up with a "bold" move of declaring that he and another group of unelected, chosen stooges will now redesign the entire automotive industry and will even be the guarantor of automobile policies. I am sure that if given the chance, they would happily try and redesign it for the whole of the world, too. Prime Minister Putin, less than two months ago, warned Obama and UK 's Blair, not to follow the path to Marxism. It only leads to disaster. Apparently, even though we suffered 70 years of this Western sponsored horror show, we know nothing, as foolish, drunken Russians, so let our "wise" Anglo-Saxon fools find out the folly of their own pride.

Again, the American public has taken this with barely a whimper...but a "freeman" whimper.

So, should it be any surprise to discover that the Democratically controlled Congress of America is working on passing a new regulation that would give the American Treasury department the power to set "fair" maximum salaries, evaluate performance and control how private companies give out pay raises and bonuses? Senator Barney Franks, a social pervert basking in his homosexuality (of course, amongst the modern, enlightened American societal norm, as well as that of the general West, homosexuality is not only not a looked down upon life choice, but is often praised as a virtue) and his Marxist enlightenment, has led this effort. He stresses that this only affects companies that receive government monies, but it is retroactive and taken to a logical extreme, this would include any company or industry that has ever received a tax break or incentive.

The Russian owners of American companies and industries should look thoughtfully at this and the option of closing their facilities down and fleeing the land of the Red as fast as possible. In other words, divest while there is still value left.

The proud American will go down into his slavery without a fight, beating his chest and proclaiming to the world, how free he really is. The world will only snicker.

Will we let Ignorance and Laziness bring our Demise!!!!
Wow.. :clap:

Good article.
 

TheBrutalTruth

Well-Known Member
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/22/business/22auto.html?ref=business

And don't forget, COMPETITION IS BAD FOR YOU SHEEPLE, especially amongst auto dealerships.

But the dealerships they haven't closed are good thieves, they vote Democrat.

The dealerships they have closed are bad thieves, they vote Republican.

Does any one feel like the wool is being pulled over their eyes as the most corrupt administration ever continues to screw this country over?
 

That 5hit

Well-Known Member
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/22/business/22auto.html?ref=business

And don't forget, COMPETITION IS BAD FOR YOU SHEEPLE, especially amongst auto dealerships.

But the dealerships they haven't closed are good thieves, they vote Democrat.

The dealerships they have closed are bad thieves, they vote Republican.

Does any one feel like the wool is being pulled over their eyes as the most corrupt administration ever continues to screw this country over?
yes ido feel like that, but i love it i am drinking the obama koolaid and it tasts great
you should try some the effect only last 8 years
obama and me
kiss-ass
 

Parker

Well-Known Member
Hey, any friend of Chavez........

That article is priceless and disheartening at the same time.
Well, the money was to buy me house an' lan'
Then Obama got a serious plan,
A-hey, ah!
Obama, he take me money and run Venezuela.

Everybody!
Obama, Obama, Obama, he take me money and run Venezuela.
 

hanimmal

Well-Known Member
Really is this thread about just tossing crap out there and seeing if it sticks to the walls?

Dealerships the way they are set up are stupid, and very anti free market. And all the dem dealerships being open and republican ones closing is retarded. I know a guy who voted for Obama that is having his cut.

w/e no sense trying to reason on this thread, you all just want to hate for hates sake, so you should have an outlet. Happy commiserating!
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Han, the dealership story is simply the plain truth. 700 dealerships closed and 99% of those were donors to the republican party.

That's not a statistical anomaly, that's politics, and just one more example of why it is folly to have the Govt. owning businesses.
 

FilthyFletch

Mr I Can Do That For Half
lol animal you like what Obama is doing..hey if you an state somewthing good he is doing, why it is good and how it will not negativly affect our country go for it. there isnt one thing he has done that fitrs that but go ahead. By december his approval rate should be the lowest in history. He dropped 6% approval rating in 3 weeks by the democratic friendly CNN polls and has a 74% disapproval of doing a good job for the economy, healthcare, and job rates. Now a tid bit to read and think about in regards to this genius who wants to run through a quick major health policy that now his own party say he is rushing and should not be done so quick as it needs a major study before done....

SENIOR DEATH WARRANTS:




The actress Natasha Richardson died after falling
skiing in Canada . It took hours to drive her to a hospital. If Canada
had our healthcare she might be
alive today. In the United States , we have medical evacuation
helicopters that would have gotten her to the hospital in 30 minutes.



In England anyone over 59 cannot receive heart
repairs or stents or bypass because it is not covered as being too
expensive and not needed.



Obama wants to have a healthcare system just like
Canada 's and England 's.




2 I got this today and am sending it on. If Obama's
plans in other areas don't scare you, this should.



Please do not let Obama sign senior death warrants.




Everybody that is on this mailing list is either a senior citizen,
is getting close or knows somebody that is.



Most of you know by now that the Senate version
(at least) of the "stimulus" Bill includes provisions for extensive
rationing of health care for senior citizens. The author of this part
of the bill, former senator and tax evader, Tom Daschle was credited
today by Bloomberg with the following statement:



Bloomberg: Daschle says "health-care reform will
not be pain free. Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions
that come with age instead of treating them."



If this does not sufficiently raise your ire, just
remember that our esteemed
Senators and Congressmen have their own healthcare plan that is first
dollar or very low co-pay which they are guaranteed the remainder of
their lives and are not subj
ect to this new law if it passes.



Please use the power of the Internet to get this
message out. Talk it up at the grassroots level. We have an election
coming up in one year and nine months. And we have the ability to
address and reverse the dangerous direction the Obama administration
and its allies have begun and in the interim, we can make their lives
miserable. Lets do this!
 

hanimmal

Well-Known Member
Han, the dealership story is simply the plain truth. 700 dealerships closed and 99% of those were donors to the republican party.

That's not a statistical anomaly, that's politics, and just one more example of why it is folly to have the Govt. owning businesses.
47.8% of all statistic are made up on the spot (stole that from the dude in the other thread).

lol animal you like what Obama is doing..hey if you an state somewthing good he is doing, why it is good and how it will not negativly affect our country go for it. there isnt one thing he has done that fitrs that but go ahead. By december his approval rate should be the lowest in history. He dropped 6% approval rating in 3 weeks by the democratic friendly CNN polls and has a 74% disapproval of doing a good job for the economy, healthcare, and job rates. Now a tid bit to read and think about in regards to this genius who wants to run through a quick major health policy that now his own party say he is rushing and should not be done so quick as it needs a major study before done....
Because they are done, and the politicians want to hold off so hopefully people will forget and move onto the next new topic. Because they are more worried about being re-elected than working for the peoples needs. The problem is that they want a more watered down program that will die since they get paid large sums of money by the people that don't want this, insurance companies.

And those companies won't fail, they just won't be able to make as high of a profit if they have to compete.



Who cares about a website that is just out there to sell commercials. All the major news channels suck, so think for yourself on these things. People think the economy sucks right now and they are right.

Our economy isn't a light switch that can be flicked on and off. To get it to the point we can see improvements in only 5 months is an awesome feat that Obama cannot take full credit for since the major blood stopping started with Bush's bailout of AIG the banks and Auto industry.

And if you cannot figure out that your drinking too much coolaid yourself.

The actress Natasha Richardson died after falling
skiing in Canada . It took hours to drive her to a hospital. If Canada
had our healthcare she might be
alive today. In the United States , we have medical evacuation
helicopters that would have gotten her to the hospital in 30 minutes.
My brother went to a hospital on the verge of collapsing. After the doctor told him he was ok and should go home and rest (it took about 4 hours to see anyone) he collapsed on the floor while checking out. When he woke with a tube down his throat they told him he had a double amonia and would have died if the would have left.

In England anyone over 59 cannot receive heart
repairs or stents or bypass because it is not covered as being too
expensive and not needed.
In america 1/6 people cannot afford to get any healthcare, and the majority of them rely on the rest to pay for there substandard care where they can not get anything done.

Obama wants to have a healthcare system just like
Canada 's and England 's.
Your wrong. He is trying to get as close to France's setup as possible which is a blend of private insurers and public ones. Incedently they have the #1 healthcare in the world while we are floundering around in the 30's. And we also win the highest infant mortality rate in the industialized nations! Go USA!


Bloomberg: Daschle says "health-care reform will
not be pain free. Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions
that come with age instead of treating them."

The phrase that health care reform "will not be pain-free" is a direct quote from Daschle, she explained. She said the sentence beginning "Seniors should be more accepting" was her paraphrasing of an argument in Daschle's book in which he quotes David Mechanic, a health care policy expert at Rutgers University, saying, "more and more of what were once seen as social, behavioral, or normative aspects of every day life, or as a normal process of aging, are now framed in a medical context. ... Whether wrinkles, breasts, or buttocks, impotence or social anxieties, or inattention in school, they all have become grist for the medical mill."
God why can't you think for yourself and actually question the bullshit that gets posted on nut websites as the truth?

You think that all the money we spend on those things are not a waste most of the time? I would ask you to look up the actual science of things like ADHD and ADD but whats the point you would most likely stumble onto some nut website and take that as the truth.



THE WORLD IS NOT THAT SCARY IF YOU EDUCATE YOURSELVES WITH TRUTH AND FACTS, NOT PEOPLES CRAZY THEORIES OR PREJUDUCES!
 

ChChoda

Well-Known Member
Obama lies, people will die...hurry up and vote for government cheese (health care). Unless you like freedom. Unless you like choice. Unless you like doctors who still treat you nice.
 

ChChoda

Well-Known Member
Your wrong. He is trying to get as close to France's setup as possible which is a blend of private insurers and public ones. Incedently they have the #1 healthcare in the world while we are floundering around in the 30's. And we also win the highest infant mortality rate in the industialized nations! Go USA!
:shock:

The "30th ranking" was devised by people who hate America as much as you. Go Hannibal!

 

medicineman

New Member
lol animal you like what Obama is doing..hey if you an state somewthing good he is doing, why it is good and how it will not negativly affect our country go for it. there isnt one thing he has done that fitrs that but go ahead. By december his approval rate should be the lowest in history. He dropped 6% approval rating in 3 weeks by the democratic friendly CNN polls and has a 74% disapproval of doing a good job for the economy, healthcare, and job rates. Now a tid bit to read and think about in regards to this genius who wants to run through a quick major health policy that now his own party say he is rushing and should not be done so quick as it needs a major study before done....

SENIOR DEATH WARRANTS:




The actress Natasha Richardson died after falling
skiing in Canada . It took hours to drive her to a hospital. If Canada
had our healthcare she might be
alive today. In the United States , we have medical evacuation
helicopters that would have gotten her to the hospital in 30 minutes.



In England anyone over 59 cannot receive heart
repairs or stents or bypass because it is not covered as being too

A:
There's no such prohibition on heart operations in England, as a chain e-mail claims.
This widely forwarded e-mail, targeted to senior citizens and claiming that health care legislation could constitute "senior death warrants," is riddled with false claims.

The anonymous e-mail claims that "n England anyone over 59 cannot receive heart repairs or stents or bypass because it is not covered as being too expensive and not needed." That's false.

We called the United Kingdom's Department of Health and a spokesman told us: "It is not true that anyone aged over 59 years cannot receive heart repairs, stents or bypass surgery on the basis of their age."

He also said that medical procedures in the U.K. are not routinely denied for older people. The National Health Service, the U.K.'s public health care service, has a constitution which prohibits discrimination on the basis of age and other factors. "The
NHS Constitution states that the NHS provides a 'comprehensive service, available to all irrespective of gender, race, disability, age, sexual orientation, religion or belief,' " the spokesman said.

We also contacted a nonprofit group, England’s
Age Concern and Help the Aged, which works to stop age discrimination in various facets of life, including employment and health care. Age Concern's press office had never heard of any kind of prohibition on heart surgery for those 60 and older.

The group’s
handbook on health care says that a national organization was created 10 years ago to improve health care for older people. One of the standards for the organization is “rooting out age discrimination.”

Age Concern does receive complaints from older citizens, and its Web site
says that ageism in health care does occur. It says, for example, that a doctor could refuse to refer an older patient to a consultant, medical professionals may make inappropriate comments about the patient, or a patient "might even be pushed into a care home you don’t want or be refused specific social services because of your age." The site then tells older people what they can do if they feel they've been mistreated.

The site mentions one age limit – those over the age of 70 won't get regular invitations every three years to breast cancer screenings. But those older folks get a screening if they request one.


Canadian Choppers

The e-mail also falsely claims that it took eight hours to drive actress Natasha Richardson to a hospital in Canada in March after she fell and hit her head while skiing. "If Canada had our healthcare she might be alive today," the e-mail speculates, saying that the U.S. has fast-moving medical helicopters and implying that Canada doesn't.

That's not true; in fact, the province of Ontario has an air ambulance system that the Toronto Star called "the envy of North America" and "the largest and most sophisticated of its kind on the continent." However, it is true that the province of Quebec, where Richardson was skiing, is the only province in the country that doesn't have an air ambulance system, according to the Star. And her death raised questions about whether a helicopter could have made a difference in the tragedy.

Mont Tremblant Ski Resort, where Richardson was taking a lesson on a beginner's slope on March 16, is about 25 miles from Centre Hospitalier Laurentien in Ste-Agathe, where Richardson was first taken. Ambulance records obtained by the New York Times show that the ambulance arrived nine minutes after a call was made for it, and it took 38 minutes to get to Centre Hospitalier Laurentien. Richardson was later moved to Montreal's Sacre-Coeur Hospital, which has a trauma center and a team of neurosurgeons that the smaller Ste-Agathe hospital lacks.

The ambulance that took her to Ste-Agathe was the second to arrive for her; the first was turned away when the actress said she was fine. As the Times, and many
others, reported, the first ambulance arrived at 1 p.m. but was turned away. At 3 p.m., when Richardson said she wasn't feeling well, the second ambulance was summoned. Paramedics attended to her and then made the 38-minute trip to the hospital in Ste-Agathe, arriving at 4:20 p.m.



At about 6 p.m., she was transported to the Montreal hospital. The time line of events has prompted many questions as to whether Richardson could have been successfully treated had the ambulance taken her straight to the Montreal hospital rather than Ste-Agathe, or if she had gone to the hospital in the first ambulance, or if she had been transported sooner from the Ste-Agathe hospital to the facility in Montreal. Or if a helicopter could have taken her from Ste-Agathe to Montreal, a drive of about 45 minutes, or if a helicopter could have been called by the resort.

The Toronto Star
reported that “Quebec is the only province that doesn't have a network of helicopter air ambulances in place,” a situation the Quebec government had been studying. The Star said that the head of the trauma center at Montreal’s McGill University Health Centre had voiced concerns about this at a conference before Richardson’s death. Dr. Tarek Razek warned that skiers needed to wear helmets, saying "I cannot get you to my centre fast enough to have those reductions in mortality. I just can't.” Razek told conference participants that Quebec was "the only region that I've ever been able to find in the Western world" without an air ambulance system.

In a letter to Canada's National Post, Razek said that Canada's health care system wasn't at fault, putting the blame squarely on Quebec.

Razek, letter to National Post, published April 11: Our failure to ensure public safety to a minimum standard is indeed shameful, but it is not a failure of Canadian health care, as this service exists in most of Canada. Rather, it is a failure of Quebec health care.



Another Canadian newspaper, Montreal's Gazette, quoted the director of Quebec's pre-hospital care as saying that the lack of helicopters was a matter of cost. Daniel LeFrançois told the Gazette that it was a case of "the biggest gain for the biggest need," saying "t costs $6,000 for one hour of flight." LeFrançois noted that Quebec's accident death rate was slightly lower than Canada's average.

So would Richardson have had a better chance of survival had she been skiing in a different Canadian province, or in the United States? We can't possibly say. It's worth noting that not every state in the U.S. has medical evacuation helicopters –
Vermont and Rhode Island, small states to be sure, do not, according to the Atlas & Database of Air Medical Services, which is funded by the Federal Highway Administration. As shown on this map, some areas of the country have many more air medical services than others: In North Dakota and Wyoming, for instance, it could take well over 30 minutes for an evacuation helicopter to get the scene of an accident, depending on the location.

What Obama Wants

After making false and disparaging claims about health care in those two countries, the e-mail says that "Obama wants to have our healthcare like Canada's and England's." Actually, the president has said repeatedly that he doesn't want a single-payer system like England and Canada have, one in which everyone has insurance through the government. We've written about this several times, as
conservative groups, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and then-presidential candidate John McCain have all made similar claims and implications.

Obama has said that the United States should build on the system it has now. His stance has irritated some single payer advocates and prompted several questions about why he's against such a system. On July 1 at a
town hall meeting in Annandale, Va., Obama was asked again why the U.S. shouldn't have a single payer system. The president responded:

Obama, July 1: ... the way our health care system evolved in the United States, it evolved based on employers providing health insurance to their employees through private insurers. And so that's still the way that the vast majority of you get your insurance. And for us to transition completely from an employer-based system of private insurance to a single-payer system could be hugely disruptive. And my attitude has been that we should be able to find a way to create a uniquely American solution to this problem that controls costs but preserves the innovation that is introduced in part with a free market system. ...

But I recognize that there are lot of people who are passionate – they look at France or some of these other systems and they say, well, why can't we just do that? Well, the answer is, is that this is one-sixth of our economy, and we're not suddenly just going to completely upend the system. We want to build on what works about the system and fix what's broken about the system. And that's what I think Congress is committed to doing, and I'm committed to working with them to make it happen.

Daschle Didn't Say That

Finally, the e-mail claims that the stimulus bill "includes provisions for extensive rationing of health care for senior citizens." No, it doesn't.

Some conservatives have said that a council overseeing the government's funding of comparative effectiveness research (research into which medicines and procedures work best and are most cost-effective) will "ration" health care. But the council created by the stimulus legislation (now
public law) doesn't have any power to do that. In fact, the legislation stipulates that "[n]one of the reports submitted under this section or recommendations made by the Council shall be construed as mandates or clinical guidelines for payment, coverage, or treatment."

The e-mail speculates that former Sen. Tom Daschle, once Obama's nominee to head the Department of Health and Human Services, was the author of this part of the bill. And it falsely says that Bloomberg News quoted Daschle as saying: "Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them." Daschle didn't say that.

Instead, those are the words of the former Republican lieutenant governor of New York, Betsy McCaughey, who wrote an opinion piece for Bloomberg News and offered her reading of comments in Daschle's book. Back in February, we
dissected McCaughey's column, pieces of which have popped up in chain e-mails, and found it to be full of errors. McCaughey also passes off opinion as fact, and in the case of Daschle, she paraphrases him, which is clear from the lack of quote marks in the column.

What Daschle did say is a far cry from "seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them." Instead, he wrote (without mentioning age) in his book "Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis": "The use and overuse of new technologies and treatments is grounded in American culture. ... More so than people in other countries, [Americans] just aren't inclined to fatalistically accept a hopeless diagnosis or forgo experimental interventions if there is even the slightest chance of success."

He also quoted Rutgers University health care policy expert David Mechanic, who wrote: "more and more of what were once seen as social, behaviorial, or normative aspects of everyday life, or as normal processes of aging, are now framed in a medical context. ... Whether wrinkles, breasts, or buttocks, impotence or social anxieties, or inattention in school, they all have become grist for the medical mill."

– Lori Robertson


expensive and not needed.



Obama wants to have a healthcare system just like
Canada 's and England 's.




2 I got this today and am sending it on. If Obama's
plans in other areas don't scare you, this should.



Please do not let Obama sign senior death warrants.




Everybody that is on this mailing list is either a senior citizen,
is getting close or knows somebody that is.



Most of you know by now that the Senate version
(at least) of the "stimulus" Bill includes provisions for extensive
rationing of health care for senior citizens. The author of this part
of the bill, former senator and tax evader, Tom Daschle was credited
today by Bloomberg with the following statement:



Bloomberg: Daschle says "health-care reform will
not be pain free. Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions
that come with age instead of treating them."



If this does not sufficiently raise your ire, just
remember that our esteemed
Senators and Congressmen have their own healthcare plan that is first
dollar or very low co-pay which they are guaranteed the remainder of
their lives and are not subj
ect to this new law if it passes.



Please use the power of the Internet to get this
message out. Talk it up at the grassroots level. We have an election
coming up in one year and nine months. And we have the ability to
address and reverse the dangerous direction the Obama administration
and its allies have begun and in the interim, we can make their lives
miserable. Lets do this!



This is the typical bullshit bandied about by righties. Fact check proved it wrong. It was a typical e-mail by some fucking right wing idiot to cause paranoia, nuff said.
 

hanimmal

Well-Known Member
The "30th ranking" was devised by people who hate America as much as you. Go Hannibal!
HOLY CRAP! I didn't know I hated America, so thank you for letting me know!

It was 37, and also done over and over again by different rating agencies to 'disprove' it but they kept coming up with the same numbers.

Just because people are willing to admit mistakes in order to learn and improve doesn't mean you hate it.

I don't think Einstein hated math, but he worked constantly to figure out the actual reason for things and while doing so dispelled many mistakes on the way. That is called progress, which you can't do if you just sit there pissing and moaning about people hatnig america.

In fact screw it I will follow your logic of just branding shit for the heck of it.

You hate America because you don't want to see us improve the broken systems that we dump too much money into.
 

ChChoda

Well-Known Member
HOLY CRAP!

You hate America because you don't want to see us improve the broken systems that we dump too much money into.
And you know more than these guys?......

http://healthpolicyblog.mayoclinic.org/2009/07/16/mayo-clinic’s-reaction-to-house-tri-committee-bill/

Mayo Clinic’s reaction to House Tri-Committee bill

Although there are some positive provisions in the current House Tri-Committee bill – including insurance for all and payment reform demonstration projects – the proposed legislation misses the opportunity to help create higher-quality, more affordable health care for patients. In fact, it will do the opposite.
In general, the proposals under discussion are not patient focused or results oriented. Lawmakers have failed to use a fundamental lever – a change in Medicare payment policy – to help drive necessary improvements in American health care. Unless legislators create payment systems that pay for good patient results at reasonable costs, the promise of transformation in American health care will wither. The real losers will be the citizens of the United States.
 

hanimmal

Well-Known Member
Mayo Clinic’s reaction to House Tri-Committee bill

Although there are some positive provisions in the current House Tri-Committee bill – including insurance for all and payment reform demonstration projects – the proposed legislation misses the opportunity to help create higher-quality, more affordable health care for patients. In fact, it will do the opposite.
In general, the proposals under discussion are not patient focused or results oriented. Lawmakers have failed to use a fundamental lever – a change in Medicare payment policy – to help drive necessary improvements in American health care. Unless legislators create payment systems that pay for good patient results at reasonable costs, the promise of transformation in American health care will wither. The real losers will be the citizens of the United States.
Sigh* I do agree with this. We need to do more, but staying the same is stupid, at least we are moving in the right direction.

Do you not get what they mean by they seem to be suggesting that somesort of nationalized healthcare is needed that forces people (and it is not a bad idea on paper) to do things like lose weight, quit smoking, and getting regular checkups.

This plan should be the republican plan, the Dems should be trying to get what the mayo clinic thinks should be done into law, but there we are, we have a pyramid with at the very top of it on the right is republican and the left is demacrat. We all are way down at the bottom (people) with the more money you have the higher up the pyramid you are leaning one way or the other.

Eventually it is so thin up there that very little seperates the sides.
 
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