JigFresh's Grow #2 : Vertical Scrog - closet diy dwc - 650w - Headband + Casey Jones

jigfresh

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Hey guys,

You are all welcome to ask questions or comment at any time on here, so please do. I do this (keeping a journal) to share and learn... and I can't learn from doing it without your help. Support is appreciated too, even if you don't know anything, please hang out and say hello. This grow journal is going to be good. Lots of pictures, videos, good times, and good buds.

I grow from clones I get at a store in Hollywood (i'm in so cal) http://www.lamedicalmarijuana.com/ For this grow I'm going with Casey Jones (Sour Diesel x Trainwreck) and Headband (Sour Diesel x OG Kush). There will be 2 plants of each strain, so 4 plants total. Each will have their own 5 gallon bucket. There will be 4 screens, one for each bucket/ plant. The plants will be surrounding my two lights, a 250w Metal Halide and a 400w High Pressure Sodium. The lights will be vertical in a home made cool tube type thing. I have a 6" 435 cfm fan to cool the lights, and the hot air will be vented out the roof.

The idea for this type of grow came from a fellow RIU member smoote1987 - Here is a link to his grow that inspired my 4 site vetical dwc:

https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/187807-blueberry-dwc-full-grow-diy.html#post2425290

So... I'd like to tell you what's going on. I just finished what you could call my second grow (purple kush). I don't consider it a real grow because I started the purple kush clones in dixie cups, they spent most of their life under 60w of flouros, then moved into the closet when my first grow finished (Hindu Skunk & White Widow). That is why I am calling this vertical grow #2.

Here are links to both those grows:
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/150272-diy-closet-dwc-grow-first.html

https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/189947-jigfreshs-grow-1-2-purple.html

Before anyone gets too excited there are no plants yet. There won't be any plants for a while. Why start a grow journal then? because there will be plants soon enough, and this journal will be here long after all the harvest is smoked. Plus this way I can have the whole damn story in one place, from concept to chop.

In case you can't tell I talk alot, but I try to keep most of it on topic or entertaining. I hope you like reading. I like learning new words too, so anyone that puts something good in their post gets bonus points.

I'm getting tired at the moment, so I'll post more soon. I really just wanted to get the ball rolling.

Now... This is complete shameless marketing on my part, but in an effort to get people to check out my journal here is what I have done in the other grows:


Purple Kush -



Hindu Skunk -



White Widow -



Big Harvest -




If you are still reading... good job. I look forward to having you all along for the ride. I really love Rollitup and I really love growing pot. So glad I have a wonderful wife who suggested I start growing.

On with the show. I'll show some pics of the new setup in the next post... deal?

:peace:
 
bigjesse1922

bigjesse1922

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I am frickin excited Jig!

I am giving you the good JuJu for this grow!

Ps I am the first to post here! Wooohooooo! :lol::lol:
 
Hulk Nugs

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Lets get vertical !! :hump: This is going to be one crazy setup, i can picture it in my head this closet is going to look like it came out of the jumanji movie. We all are going to enjoy this thanks to Jig (thank you Jig :hug:)

:joint::twisted::peace:
 
tahoe58

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up please ..... penthouse ..... thank you. hey there everyone ... whew ... this is fukin beautiful up here. You picked an awesome fukin spot Jig. I'll take that big mutha lounger over there if it ain't taken yet. this is gonna be a great journey. walking on!!~~~
 
smoote1987

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subscribed... Damn man I feel like I owe you a happy ending after all the love you've been giving me:mrgreen:. I'm sorry I left you alone for so long, but i swear i'll make it up to you.

p.s. never been referenced before! I feel like I won the nobel prize or something.

you get +reps for life for that!
 
jigfresh

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smoote1987 said:
subscribed... Damn man I feel like I owe you a happy ending after all the love you've been giving me:mrgreen:. I'm sorry I left you alone for so long, but i swear i'll make it up to you.

p.s. never been referenced before! I feel like I won the nobel prize or something.

you get +reps for life for that!
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Jesse, the good Dr. Greenhorn, Hulk nugs... glad to have you here. While the rest of us were chatting tahoe took the most comfortable chair, haha.

Glad to have you all in the high rise penthouse (thanks for that).

I've been making room for plants in my closet. I just figured it out and I am going to have roughly 25 sq ft of grow space/ screen space. My first screen was just over 7 square feet.... so, jumanji it is going to be. I swear if a tiger jumps out of the closet one day I'm just shutting things down.

My ballasts are mounted, the shelf is out, and the fan will be placed above the door, almost against the roof.

One more thing about this grow... it is going to be interesting because I want to leave the plants for 11 days, completely alone, door shut for 11 days. I am thinking of doing this week 5-7 of an 8-9 week veg. My plan is to rig an extra rez that can feed them all, and I am also thinkng of only giving them the 60w of flouros for light, so they don't drink to much and grow out of control without me around. It will be like a cloudy week (thanks kevin). We'll discuss this more later.

Here are some pics of the whole thing...

Oh and smoote, you have the right to any chair in the house, but I figure you will be up here with me working on the setup, so I didn't reserve one specially for you. I'm stoked to see how your idea will work out not in a laundry closet.
 

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tahoe58

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honkin ass suck and blo of industrial proportions ... walking on ... but will be back to keep an eye on this beast maker ... hahahaha!
 
jigfresh

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tahoe58 said:
honkin ass suck and blo of industrial proportions ... walking on ... but will be back to keep an eye on this beast maker ... hahahaha!
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Not exactly sure what you mean... but I hope you aren't offended. I was meaning to compliment you on not only your ability to recognize the penthouse as the place to meet, but you spotted the nice chair right off.

Unless I'm mistaken you have been growing longer than any of the rest of us. Plus, it's not as if the rest of us are miserable, but... I thnk anyone would be crazy not to change places in life with you. So I think I can speak for everyone when I say we are better of with you hanging around.

:peace:
 
tahoe58

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hey man sorry ... suck and blo ... only referring to the megafans installed to keep the air flowing ... hahahaha! no worries. .... its all grand!! hahahaha!
 
tahoe58

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:peace::peace::peace::peace::peace::peace::peace::peace::peace::peace::peace::peace:

actually the suck and blo reference has a basis .... years ago when I was working forest fire fighting on the tanker crews (which just also happens to be the years that I first grew outdoors ... back then ... ), and one og the "bird-dog" airplanes we used was a Cessna 337 SkyMaster .... which we used to refer to a suck'n'blo!! hahahaha! cuz is had twin engines ... one front and one back and they sucked and bloed ... hahahaha!
 

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Hulk Nugs

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shit this grow is going to be mind blowing.........bringing a new way to see a vertical scrog in a 2x2..... smoothe showed us it can be done and jig will show us this will probably be the biggest yield you can get in a 2x2 ..... i know i am talking when i have been just growing for a little while but dam i am picturing 4 - 4ft tall screens covered just like his last scrog ..... my hats off to you Jig for just taking this project on something that has been done but not to this scale, and shit i know this is going to be tons of work to keep it right and good

are you going to have your light adjustable or just in the middle of the room ??
 
smoote1987

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Man oh man... I can't wait to see those massive screens. I'm interested to see how you deal with spreading each plants growth up through the screen. It's going to be a true venture into controlled growing techniques. You're going to have to strike a nice balance between thinning, tying, and bending. I'm really sorry that my journal fell short but once you see what i've been working on i think you'll forgive me.

Some experiences from me to you:

1.DON'T SKIMP ON THE VEG STAGE

This means make sure that you've filled your entire screen to the brim, or at least to your satisfaction. I say this because I failed to follow this rule and was left with an incomplete screen. You really have to think about the veg and flower stage as completely different growths for the plant. So this means that once in flower there is not much more nodal growth and eg. no more growth of sites where a flower can form.

Now you ask well what about the stretch that happens in early flowering? Shouldn't i leave screen space open for the plant to stretch into and fill?

You would think that but, i found out that the stretch of a plant grown this way is less than a normal horizontal ScrOG grow. Being as all parts of the plant get the exact same intensity and distribution of light. The plant stretches at all parts of the plant and thus has less over all amount vegetative growth than expected. Basically this all means it would be best advised to fill the entire screen with vegetative growth (as many nodes as possible) before you but them to flower :mrgreen:.

However Jig i say this with a little hesitation as i do not want you to overfill your screen incase your larger plants grow differently than my much smaller plants. I give you this though... its better to be overwhelmed with over growth than underwhelmed with under growth. Also i figure if your screen does over grow you can just cut her back. You should be pretty good at judging how to trim her by that point anyway.

2. DEVELOP EFFICIENT TRAING METHODS

Now Jig i love you and all but i wouldn't want to trade places with you for the next 3 months unless you paid me. I'm afraid you just got yourself a day job. But thats ok because come november you're going to be sitting pretty with a record grow under your belt.

I'm here to help though. To start that statement carries a few attributes. First observe everything. Get to know your plants. Make sure you know exactly how they grow. This is the most valuable information you can have when you're deciding whether to trim or tie a branch down.

Second choose your screen material wisely. I recommend a screen much like mine. It is very malleable yet rigid allowing it to hold a shape. Another quality to take into account is the size of the mesh holes in the screen. I say this because i found that pulling leaves through the screen's mesh to the backside of the screen during the vegetative stage allowed me to un-shade new growth and give room for said growth. This made it so that i got the same results of trimming with out stressing the plant as much.

On that same note, during the flowering stage it is very important to manicure you screen aggressively. This is because if you succeed in packing the screen with buds you're going to have a moisture/airflow problem with the screen. Basically you want to make sure that no leaves or decaying plant matter get stuck in behind a growing flower. It's hard to describe the exact cause of this problem in words but you will understand more exactly what i mean by this statement when it arrises and you deal with it in person. A good clip fan blowing air across the screens will help as well. This is all in efforts to reduce the risk of mold and but rot.

Lastly, the screen gets very heavy at the end of flowering so make sure it has a strong base that can hold the weight.

Hmm ok thats all i can think of for now.

Anyway just some comments. I totally think you can leave it for a week. I left mine for that duration and they were fine. Don't get me wrong though my reservoirs were almost empty when i got back but the plants were fine. Just make sure they're filled to the top ;-). The extra rez idea is a good one though the logistics of it are beyond me right now. It's going to take some thought.

The cool tube is looking nice. Those lights are going to be ice cold. Having the light vertical puts very little restriction on air flow. You know what this means right... you're going to be able to get the plants right up on those bulbs... meaning maximized light and REALLY BIG BUDS! Ok I'm done picking.

Any chair in the place huh...? Hmmm how bout the driver seat... The driver seat in the safari jeep you're going to have to buy to traverse that jungle you're going to have! I'll bring the elephant gun :mrgreen:.

I'm really excited to see the vertical method scaled up in size. Little jealous, completely honored that its you pioneering forward though.

Alright I'm out, later.
 
bigjesse1922

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Jig I am so glad you decided to do something relatively original man!

Your creativity is beyond my fairly literal mind, so I just can't wait!

I hope I haven't missed this information somewhere, but what kind of timeline are we looking at until this thing gets fully off the ground?
 
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