help hydro wilting

hey im a oregon medical marijuana patient and i had my friend buy some clones from oaksterdam nursery and drive them up. so i want these plants to live. i have a plant ( hash berry) that is straight wiliting. its water is fine the ph is fine the temp is fine. all the other plants are fine including the ones on the same resivor and under the same light. am i cursed and my plant is going to choose to die and i cant stop it? please help.
 

tyke1973

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Get some small sticks and stake them just so that the plants don't bend to far a get a air foilicule in them[kabab skewers].
 
Get some small sticks and stake them just so that the plants don't bend to far a get a air foilicule in them[kabab skewers].
the plant is getting great ventalation and is not to leafy so air passes through it rather well. i have shaved the botto m of the plant so there are not really any small under parts.

the plant litterally looks like its dieing of thurst. not like the branches are too heavy. the fans leafs and bud terminals can support them selfs and are really soft.
 

Dystopia

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hey im a oregon medical marijuana patient and i had my friend buy some clones from oaksterdam nursery and drive them up. so i want these plants to live. i have a plant ( hash berry) that is straight wiliting. its water is fine the ph is fine the temp is fine. all the other plants are fine including the ones on the same resivor and under the same light. am i cursed and my plant is going to choose to die and i cant stop it? please help.
Based on what you've said, it sounds like your ailing plant is suffering from shock. Try this: dissolve about 50 milligrams of aspirin in a gallon of water and mist your plant in the morning just before lights on. Wait two or three days and repeat with a fresh batch if necessary. This will not hurt your plant; aspirin contains willow, and willow has medicinal properties that are beneficial for plants. It is like an immune system booster for plants.
 
Based on what you've said, it sounds like your ailing plant is suffering from shock. Try this: dissolve about 50 milligrams of aspirin in a gallon of water and mist your plant in the morning just before lights on. Wait two or three days and repeat with a fresh batch if necessary. This will not hurt your plant; aspirin contains willow, and willow has medicinal properties that are beneficial for plants. It is like an immune system booster for plants.
any idea what would shock my plants. they have vegged in the room they are in now for two weeks and been put into flower. none of my other plants are showing signs
 

Dystopia

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any idea what would shock my plants. they have vegged in the room they are in now for two weeks and been put into flower. none of my other plants are showing signs
Disregard, I thought they were fresh clones just started. What do your roots look like, they're obviously (to me) having problems taking up oxygen, it looks like it's drowning. Any possiblility of root rot?
 
Disregard, I thought they were fresh clones just started. What do your roots look like, they're obviously (to me) having problems taking up oxygen, it looks like it's drowning. Any possiblility of root rot?
the roots look pretty white. maybe not paper white but white. i have 4 5 gallon bubble buckets conected to a 20 gallon resivor. each 5 gallon gets its own air stone and the resivor has 3 air stones. the resivior temp stays under 80 deress and i change the water and nutients once a week.
im worried my other plants will fallow down this road
 

MeisterYo

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It has always been hydro right? not in soil then hydro.

IMO you don't need airstones in the res if you have air stone in the buckets individually. I'd put two airstones per bucket rather than three in the res.

It looks like your plants are drowning for sure. pour out the nutes in the bucket until just the bottom of the roots are in the solution. let the roots breath a bit then later slowly fill it higher until the plant seems happy and you have a decent amount of nutes in the bucket.
 

Dystopia

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the roots look pretty white. maybe not paper white but white. i have 4 5 gallon bubble buckets conected to a 20 gallon resivor. each 5 gallon gets its own air stone and the resivor has 3 air stones. the resivior temp stays under 80 deress and i change the water and nutients once a week.
im worried my other plants will fallow down this road
OK, there are several things that could be causing your plant to wilt.

1. Not getting enough water. If I understand correctly you've got a recirculating bubble bucket system, where the nutrient solution circulates through the buckets and keeps the buckets topped off. So it seems to me that underwatering is unlikely.

2. Excessively high air temp. You say that you don't have a temp problem and the other plants are doing well, so I'll assume it isn't an air temp problem.

3. Insects/pathogens/disease. You say you have an aphid problem that you have under control. I'd be more worried about the root system; fungus gnat larvae, microscopic nematodes, and pathogenic fungi and bacteria can reek havoc in the root zone if conditions are right for them to thrive. High reservoir temps, algae in the res, lots of dead organic material in the res, low oxygen levels, etc. could make the roots prone to attack by opportunist pathogens such as Pythium. However, you say the water is well oxygenated, changed frequently, etc. and the roots look good. If you don't have an algae problem and the water smells clean (has no odor) then I'll say it's OK for now.

4. Shock. Shock is usually caused by a drastic change in the plant's environment: transplanting, drastic changes in light or temperature, ph fluxuations, etc. I'm assuming that you haven't changed anything drastically in the last week or so.

5. Overwatering/not able to take up O2 through roots. It won't take long for wilting to occur if the plant is unable to take up O2 through the roots; it can happen overnight. Things that can cause O2 deprivation:

a. Water not oxygenated: doesn't seem to be the case.

b. Roots being suffocated by algae/bacteria or under attack by a pathogen: again, if the roots look good and the water smells good then this may not be the issue.

c. High water temperature: the roots take up O2 best at around 66* F. As the temperature increases the roots ability to take up O2 decreases drastically. Typically, you want to keep the res temp between 66* - 75* F; above 75* and you'll start to have problems. If you let the temp get into the 80's you're almost certain to see problems with O2 take up. It's hard to say that you have a res temp problem; the fact that your other plants are doing good seems to indicate otherwise. However, since you have a recirculating system it would be easy to drop your res temps to around 70* using frozen liter soda bottles in the res.

d. Water level too high or changed. Basically, your plant develops roots that take care of two functions: to take up O2, and to take up water/nutrients. Typically, the roots above the water concentrate on O2 uptake ("O-roots"), the roots below concentrate on water/nutrient uptake ("WN-roots"). If the water level is too high (above the bottom of the net pot, say) then as the plant gets bigger there eventually won't be enough O-roots to support it. If you drop the level of the water to say 1" or more below the pot then the former WN-roots will develop into O-roots. However, if the plant is used to a water level of say 2" below the pot and you then raise the level back up to the net pot, the O2 roots will not revert to WN-roots and the plant will start to suffer from O2 deprivation and wilt quickly. Basically, what is your water level set at, and has it changed in the last week or so?

That's about all I can think of. If it were me, I would isolate the plant from the shared reservoir (in case the plant has a disease or pathogen problem). I would then drain the bucket like MeisterYo suggested and let the roots sit in air for about 15 - 30 minutes. Then I would lower the water level and temperature if necessary and flush with ph-adjusted water and hydrogen-peroxide (to thoroughly oxygenate the water), and then go back to the normal nute regime in it's own bucket until the plant recovers.

Long post, I hope it makes sense and helps :joint:
 
OK, there are several things that could be causing your plant to wilt.

1. Not getting enough water. If I understand correctly you've got a recirculating bubble bucket system, where the nutrient solution circulates through the buckets and keeps the buckets topped off. So it seems to me that underwatering is unlikely.

2. Excessively high air temp. You say that you don't have a temp problem and the other plants are doing well, so I'll assume it isn't an air temp problem.

3. Insects/pathogens/disease. You say you have an aphid problem that you have under control. I'd be more worried about the root system; fungus gnat larvae, microscopic nematodes, and pathogenic fungi and bacteria can reek havoc in the root zone if conditions are right for them to thrive. High reservoir temps, algae in the res, lots of dead organic material in the res, low oxygen levels, etc. could make the roots prone to attack by opportunist pathogens such as Pythium. However, you say the water is well oxygenated, changed frequently, etc. and the roots look good. If you don't have an algae problem and the water smells clean (has no odor) then I'll say it's OK for now.

4. Shock. Shock is usually caused by a drastic change in the plant's environment: transplanting, drastic changes in light or temperature, ph fluxuations, etc. I'm assuming that you haven't changed anything drastically in the last week or so.

5. Overwatering/not able to take up O2 through roots. It won't take long for wilting to occur if the plant is unable to take up O2 through the roots; it can happen overnight. Things that can cause O2 deprivation:

a. Water not oxygenated: doesn't seem to be the case.

b. Roots being suffocated by algae/bacteria or under attack by a pathogen: again, if the roots look good and the water smells good then this may not be the issue.

c. High water temperature: the roots take up O2 best at around 66* F. As the temperature increases the roots ability to take up O2 decreases drastically. Typically, you want to keep the res temp between 66* - 75* F; above 75* and you'll start to have problems. If you let the temp get into the 80's you're almost certain to see problems with O2 take up. It's hard to say that you have a res temp problem; the fact that your other plants are doing good seems to indicate otherwise. However, since you have a recirculating system it would be easy to drop your res temps to around 70* using frozen liter soda bottles in the res.

d. Water level too high or changed. Basically, your plant develops roots that take care of two functions: to take up O2, and to take up water/nutrients. Typically, the roots above the water concentrate on O2 uptake ("O-roots"), the roots below concentrate on water/nutrient uptake ("WN-roots"). If the water level is too high (above the bottom of the net pot, say) then as the plant gets bigger there eventually won't be enough O-roots to support it. If you drop the level of the water to say 1" or more below the pot then the former WN-roots will develop into O-roots. However, if the plant is used to a water level of say 2" below the pot and you then raise the level back up to the net pot, the O2 roots will not revert to WN-roots and the plant will start to suffer from O2 deprivation and wilt quickly. Basically, what is your water level set at, and has it changed in the last week or so?

That's about all I can think of. If it were me, I would isolate the plant from the shared reservoir (in case the plant has a disease or pathogen problem). I would then drain the bucket like MeisterYo suggested and let the roots sit in air for about 15 - 30 minutes. Then I would lower the water level and temperature if necessary and flush with ph-adjusted water and hydrogen-peroxide (to thoroughly oxygenate the water), and then go back to the normal nute regime in it's own bucket until the plant recovers.

Long post, I hope it makes sense and helps :joint:

-thank you so much for your help and time.
- i did kind of change my water levels but it was a few days before this happened and i lowered them buy maybe a half inch.
-did i mention the aphids i have are root aphids. they are brown and want nothing to do with my leafs or any dry area.
just my hydrotonon roots and inside walls of the buckets that stay damp.

things im going to try ....

set water level back to normal. ( not any adjustment really but why not)

add a frozen 2 litter to my resivor to keep temps down. ( this is such a great idea. ill just keep two in the freezer and switch them out.) i though i was going to half to buy a $500 chiller

buy some kind or organic bug killer that you can add right to your resivor. although my aphid problem is pretty under contolre and the plant effected is the least infested i figure they cant be helping

i still dont understand why its this one plant. i know some strains are more difficult than others but not like this.
 
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