MostlyCrazy
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If you ain't got ph problems at some point in hydro you ain't tryin'. If it were mine I would use a clothes pin/paperclip as a flow control but remember I'm mostly crazy! LOL!
Well that crazy idea might work. I will definitely try that.If you ain't got ph problems at some point in hydro you ain't tryin'. If it were mine I would use a clothes pin/paperclip as a flow control but remember I'm mostly crazy! LOL!
OK. So it looks like that is just the way it goes then. I can chill a little then cause the same happens to me although my seedling are too small right now for nutes.I'm thinking ph down is ph down but don;t know for sure. I do have the same problems with my ph. Works like this for me on a res change. Add water - tap water is 7.5 ph with 400ppm -yes that sucks but kind of fun in a mad scientist sort of way. PH down the water to 6.2, add nutes - PH at 6.1, add additives - liquid karma, cal mag, cannazyme and superthrive - PH at 6.0. Add to tank. Within one hour it is back to 6.8-7.0. Add 5ml of down to my 6 gal of water. PH to 6.5. Next day - back up to 7.0. 5ml of down again. back to 6.4, back up next day to 6.8, 5ml down to 6.2. 6.7 next day, 5 ml of down to 6.2. Stays that way the until the next res change. In veg I run around 5.8 to 5.9 so I add 5 ml down the next day if in veg and it stays there. In flower I run 6.2-6.3. I think the secret is to do it in small steps. If my end result is betwwen 5-5 and 6-5 I don't stress. Different nutrients are better absorded at different ph levels so skating around a little isn;t all that bad unless you do it all at once. Ain't natural I tell ya! LOL
If you have a flow of water, a stram of water, it has to be on a Timer, even a DRIP, or they will drown. They can not be in jsut SOLID water.Ok, so i've been lookin up every bit of growing info i can find, and to be honest, it's wayyyy too much to handle, from the million different watering systems, to mediums, to reflectors, to fans and ducting and the the nutes and g per watt and my god my head could explode...
I believe i've come to the conclusion i will do a DWC grow, but there's just a few questions and or suggestions im lookin to have answered... thanks!
1. i'd like to grow 3-5 plants and flower them when they fill a 4 'x6 'Screen for SCROG, i will be using either 2x 600W HPs or 1x 1000W and 1x 600, i just see it being a pain in the ass to have two different strength lights going in the same flower room.. so basically, i'd like to know roughly how long id have to veg an average indica to fill that screen with this method?? from seed with either of those set ups
a SOG and a SCROG are normally very small grows. Most SOGs are plants crowded and only about 15 to 18 inches tall. Why buy the BIG lights for a SMALL grow?
2. for the size im sure i will need to grow them to, theres about no way i can fit all of em in one of those 10Gal rez,
Look at mine, one up to 46 inches tall, in a 8 gallon tank with 6 gallons of water:
so aside from having 4 x 5gal buckets, 4 x air pump, 4x water pump, 4 rez to clean, is there anyway i can go about this to set it up more conveniently for what im aiming for?? perhaps using a 500Gph water pump in a large rez, TOO BIG drillin a drainage hole in each bucket at top approx 2-3in below net pot so it doenst over fill? while adding drain at bottom of each when re-fillin the rez and re-nuting every 2weeks?
Bro, you're really thinking TOO BIG for a first time Hydro grow. You talk about doing a SOG (very small plants) then you talk about a giant tank, (Major big Work) then you talk about 5 gallon buckets???? (No one does SOGin buckets)
or would i better to go with another system altogether?? like an aero or something?? im just thinkin maybe this set up doesnt suit my needs.. and lastly, assuming i grew em out nice, the filled the screen perfect,i had no nute problems, no light probs, even canopy, no pest probs, no nothing but perfect growin conditions... what would be the max yield i could expect to get??
IN a small SOG, or a 5 gallon bucket or in a giant tank?
even as newbie grower would .5G per Watt be askin too much? should i really invest in CO2 and regulator and controller? i know it's supposed to yield approx 30% more, but, is that assuming youre dr greenthumb and you MAXIMIZE everything, and that a newb might make some mistakes along the way and cause that 30% to be like 3%?
lots of questions, and i got a shitload more im sure, but i;ll leave it at that, this is my first post ever so, thanks to all the people who take the time (and for some, the risk) to post and help other people out, particularly roseman, al b fuct, and whoever the other apparent more experienced people on this forum are
oh, also, Roseman, i read several times about his its superior to drip because it 'trickles'.. but, how do you get the trickle effect? is it because the pump you're using only puts out that much pressure or is there some kind of valve somewher eyou open / close to adjust flow?
welcome to the thread man...Roseman,
thanks for the timely response, although I'm not sure what you mean??i think you were slightly confused... I was saying SCROG not SOG, from what ive seen some people fill relatively large screen with only 1-2 plants, so i figured 4-5 if i planned on vegging them out nice n wide under the screen .. but figured this setup might not work for the surface area i wanna cover...seems like they would be too close together to sprawl that much.... when i said i nthe post 'either of those setups' i wasnt implying SOG or SCROg i meant the two light combinations i was considering previously.. i actually never mentioned SOG at all... and i was lookin to know if it's a hassle to have a 1000watt and 600 next to each other in flower because of the different heights they will be then the 600 getting in the way etc etc.. i didnt directly ask but figured someone would chime in if it was not a good idea.. I have a 1000w and it works great,actually much more than I probably needed. That 1000w also cost me another 4-600$ in ventilation costs. I think a 600w would be more than you need to get started.
i dont see why you're insisting it's so big, i mean.. 3-5 plants is minimal, granted i dont want to do some 60 watt cfl mini closet grow, but it's hardly .. BIG, i mean, i really plan on the two 600w so thats only 1200w in 4' x 6' isnt that optimal?? 50w per sq ft? i thought that was the norm... 5 plants landed me 460 Grams last grow... How much bigger you thinking?
As for the 5 gallon tank confusion, i was suggesting that IF i cannot put 5 big plants in you diy setup, with the intent of vegging them nice and long to fill up the screen....for whatever reason like because of root space or something god knows what, thats why i was asking, cause i dont know.. to be honest you almost seem offended or something... as for my suggestion of 500gph pump it was just random number i chose approx 2-3x yours because i was picturing having the big rez (maybe 20-22 gal) pumping to the seperate 5gal buckets each (lets say 4 of them ) running a 950 gph pump in the six gallon res..., so i figure i'd need more flow to get to all of them than you need to pump in your diy (if you do that get a splitter and oxygenate each bucket individually.) .. hopefully you see my logic now... i was planning to have the bubblers going in the rez and keeping it carbonated THEN sending it to all the different buckets (also important, if you have a central res, I'd put a couple 12 inch stones and a water pump for circulation) but i didnt realize that doin it that way, it would be impossible because the water would stagnate in the 5gal while it sits there waiting to overflow back to the rez... other than putting bubblers in every individual bucket i dont see another way (thats because your right on, it's the only way).. i can draw you a picture if you really still don't understand what i'm trying to say but i feel its more clear now... should be anyway
And i understand the principle of why they can survive the way they do because of the oxygen and nutes, always intended on having them get it, just what i was proposing would not be enough, unless like i just said i put bubblers in every bucket AND the rez to keep all the water breathable..
as for ppm and ph problems and what not, that you may be referring to ask 'major big work' from having a big rez, i had no idea, again, the reason i was asking.. ??? don't really understand that paragraph..but a smaller res is just easier to deal with and plenty of space for an enormous root system and GIANT plants.
Depending on cost issues you can't beat a good fan. You can make a filter out of a 5 gallon bucket. Drill holes in the bottom for airflow, cover it with a prefilter (fish stores are a good place for this), get a furnace airfilter (preferable hepa) cut it to fit, fill with carbon (from fish store) if enough furnace filter left cut a second cover carbon, and cover with prefilter, cut 3-5 inch hole in lid and run duct into it. Homemade filter cheap! If smell is an issue a filter of some sort is needed.Thanks Jonny,
i appreciate the answers, as for your ventilation cost that sucks, but in my climate i will have no such problem, if anything i'll be using a space heater to keep things warmer! im talkin -20 -30C as an average..
as for what im looking for yield wise, yours sounds just about right, but the more the merrier, anything over 448 and im all smiles.. but if i can turn 448 into 700 or even more by using scrog method, a decent light set up, im sure i could get away fine with 600W but what am i looking at? maybe maybe 224G if im lucky.. .. as im not too worried to spend a few bucks on the important things that are worth it in the end.. im sure a lot of people aren't as fortunate in that dept.
oh, ive also been contemplating odour control, given what im lpannin on doing, should i go with real can filter combo type or will diy be able to actually handle cleaning the air (i read the diy one with pencil cups and a nylon, that was some smart stuff.. but i can only ask myself.. what kind of cfm does that thing allow, 3cfm lol.. let me know if you got a clue, i plan on going at least 3x bigger than whatever my room 'needs' in terms of fan cfm.. so i can run it on a speed controller at like 40% keep noise down.. you think in a climate like mine, if passive intake from outside in those temps, i would even really need the ventialtion for anythin other than air circulation?? then again i could make then air cooled hoods and with the cold air id be pulling in they'd be running REALLLL cool no worries of burning anything.. thats the problem, so many options, and you cant try em all at once.. and im really tempted to try the co2, but i can hold off one if need be..
Roseman nice setup i was wondering if you could flower using bubbleponics systems ? or would it be easier to just have 1 bucket per 1 plant and have a air stone to each bucket hooked up to a 4 way air pump so 4 buckets 1 4 way output air pump
IMO, just my exp with buckets.I do the entire grow, in the system.
It might be easier to use individual buckets, but I don't.