Obama ... He's Lookin' Good!

[w1ckedchowda]

Not that hard get a work permit to go there establish a job and residencey for few years then apply for citizen ship. Its only gonna get worse with this dummy in charge gotta try to fight it out at least 3 more years til we can get him out of there.Its gonna be rough for sure with this dumb ass in power.

Ha true Fletch.. only I foresee what happened to Bush, will happen to Obama..

Can anyone say, re-election?

Seriously, if that assclown bush can get re-elected... O_O

 

[FilthyFletch]

See the thing is people looked at Bush as notr smart but he protected us well and took control which got him a second term not threat from him to us maybe other countries but not us. Obama is seen as a direct threat to the country which Im pretty sure is gonna kill any chance for reelection. Not sure who will run against him in 2012 but anyone should have a shot

 

[CrackerJax]

Of course Bush is smart despite the baseless smears. That's why words can have meaning, but are always trumped by action. Bush wasn't the best with words, but action he understood.

Today, it is the opposite of that which is in "style". I'm sure our enemies are breathing a sigh of relief.

 

[bicycle racer]

bush's policy created far more militant jihadists than his regime killed thats what some people dont understand. its a battle of hearts and minds when dealing with religious crazies on either side force does not work and only creates more of the same. the only way to begin to slow bloodshed is a changing of peoples views of american policy and america in general. regimes like the previous admin make everything worse take away our own freedoms erode the constitution in the name of our safety. get weak minded people scared and you can get away with anything. the truth is none of us posting on here in america are likely to die from terrorist attack we will all die of cancer and heart disease thats where much focus should be put but war and oil are more profitable and then theres religious beliefs in play as well what a quagmire. its like fighting fire with gasoline our invasion of irag turned the place into a big terrorist training camp and simply adds fuel to the fire of global american hatred. for every jihadist killed four more are made its a ridiculous circle. people who think like bush and cheney play into the hands of people like bin laden.

 

[w1ckedchowda]

bush's policy created far more militant jihadists than his regime killed thats what some people dont understand. its a battle of hearts and minds when dealing with religious crazies on either side force does not work and only creates more of the same. the only way to begin to slow bloodshed is a changing of peoples views of american policy and america in general. regimes like the previous admin make everything worse take away our own freedoms erode the constitution in the name of our safety. get weak minded people scared and you can get away with anything. the truth is none of us posting on here in america are likely to die from terrorist attack we will all die of cancer and heart disease thats where much focus should be put but war and oil are more profitable and then theres religious beliefs in play as well what a quagmire. its like fighting fire with gasoline our invasion of irag turned the place into a big terrorist training camp and simply adds fuel to the fire of global american hatred. for every jihadist killed four more are made its a ridiculous circle. people who think like bush and cheney play into the hands of people like bin laden.

Yea well said, I mean Bush can act more all he wants than Obama's talk, but that doesn't mean it was just nor righteous action.

Acting is one thing. Thinking before acting is another. Bush didn't do that much, he let his administration do all the frontal lobe processing.

 

[hanimmal]

If we made it more of a law in our country that when we go into other nations as Americans companies or people we need to conduct ourselves as we should. When we open factories the people should be treated as well as they are here. The pay doesn't need to be the same, but the safety regulations, Hours worked, benefits, all should be parallel to what we would expect over here.

That would do a lot towards our place in the world.

And I do not think that Bush was a bad guy, infact I think that I would really like him if I was ever to be able to hang out with him. But I do strongly disagree with the tactic of might we used over the last 7 years (Really we have been in perpetual war since we started this country).

The people that are most likely to get hit in a fight is the ones that are swinging, or watching it, or trying to stop it. The people chilling out avoiding the drama are the least likely to get hit.

 

[FilthyFletch]

Not really true. bush made those terrorist who were hiding have to come out and show what they were trying to do. With Obama its much easier for them to hide regroup and rebuild as he is not pressuring them. You saw how many Bush flushedup by just kicking the brush pile. It got real bad during Clintons years as he didnt care and wasnt feared or respected they knew he was alseep at the wheel and helping as he demolished our armd forces which Bush thankfully rebuilt

 

[w1ckedchowda]

If we made it more of a law in our country that when we go into other nations as Americans companies or people we need to conduct ourselves as we should. When we open factories the people should be treated as well as they are here. The pay doesn't need to be the same, but the safety regulations, Hours worked, benefits, all should be parallel to what we would expect over here.

That would do a lot towards our place in the world.

And I do not think that Bush was a bad guy, infact I think that I would really like him if I was ever to be able to hang out with him. But I do strongly disagree with the tactic of might we used over the last 7 years (Really we have been in perpetual war since we started this country).

The people that are most likely to get hit in a fight is the ones that are swinging, or watching it, or trying to stop it. The people chilling out avoiding the drama are the least likely to get hit.

Very well said last sentence.

 

[CrackerJax]

bush's policy created far more militant jihadists than his regime killed thats what some people dont understand. its a battle of hearts and minds when dealing with religious crazies on either side force does not work and only creates more of the same. the only way to begin to slow bloodshed is a changing of peoples views of american policy and america in general. regimes like the previous admin make everything worse take away our own freedoms erode the constitution in the name of our safety. get weak minded people scared and you can get away with anything. the truth is none of us posting on here in america are likely to die from terrorist attack we will all die of cancer and heart disease thats where much focus should be put but war and oil are more profitable and then theres religious beliefs in play as well what a quagmire. its like fighting fire with gasoline our invasion of irag turned the place into a big terrorist training camp and simply adds fuel to the fire of global american hatred. for every jihadist killed four more are made its a ridiculous circle. people who think like bush and cheney play into the hands of people like bin laden.

That's nonsense......... the terrorists were already there. Did they get recruits? Uhhh, duh,,, they had better, we were killing them left and right.

Did we get recruits by the way? Uhhh, duh.....

When we hit the beaches of Normandy on June 6th, 1944, and subsequently Hitler ordered in the Hitler Youth.... did we create them?


Non-sense

 

[w1ckedchowda]

Not really true. bush made those terrorist who were hiding have to come out and show what they were trying to do. With Obama its much easier for them to hide regroup and rebuild as he is not pressuring them. You saw how many Bush flushedup by just kicking the brush pile. It got real bad during Clintons years as he didnt care and wasnt feared or respected they knew he was alseep at the wheel and helping as he demolished our armd forces which Bush thankfully rebuilt

Well dude where is Bin Laden?

He rebuilt the American forces through lies. "You hate freedom and Americuh if you don't join the armed services." Fucking seriously, half the people (even more I'm sure) don't even know why they're fighting over in Iraq. To promote freedom? They are just sick of getting bombed by us and killing civilians over and over since Reagan! What would happen if we had a country bombing people in southern CA or northern Maine multiple times, only to go, "Whoops sorry guys, thought you had bad people there."

We wouldn't put up with that shit either.

One second we're attacked and it's bin laden this, bin laden that, then Bush is like, "OH NOES! Eyeraq is dangerous and holding hostile weapons of mass destruction AMMEERUUCAHHH!"

Then we never hear about bin laden again, go after Iraq to support our relationship with China, to promote democracy in Iraq...

Like-- Am I the only one wondering wtf happened?

Isn't this the opposite of what we needed?

Bin Laden is still running around, conjuring up ways to bring down the US, has that $1million bounty on his head and we just don't even care or report about it anymore.

It's kind of like if Pearl Harbour happened, we went after Vietnam, just cause they were meanies and looked Japanese.

Hell, we're already helping/funding a civil war in Africa and sending more troops into Afghanistan and some of Russia.

 

[what... huh?]

He rebuilt the American forces through lies. "You hate freedom and Americuh if you don't join the armed services."

Utterly preposterous. No administration has EVER said anything close to that. The influx of volunteers were patriots who stepped up to defend their nation... and to suggest otherwise is ignorant and insulting.

Fucking seriously, half the people (even more I'm sure) don't even know why they're fighting over in Iraq. To promote freedom?

You obviously think you are smarter than half (even more I'm sure) of the armed services. You are not. You are just an anti-government conspiracist who justifies his cowardice by implying higher understanding.


I, at least, am an open coward. I at least show respect for those who are the brave.

 

[hanimmal]

Not really true. bush made those terrorist who were hiding have to come out and show what they were trying to do. With Obama its much easier for them to hide regroup and rebuild as he is not pressuring them. You saw how many Bush flushedup by just kicking the brush pile. It got real bad during Clintons years as he didnt care and wasnt feared or respected they knew he was alseep at the wheel and helping as he demolished our armd forces which Bush thankfully rebuilt

Obama has sent more troops to Afghanastan which is where Bin Laden is supposed to be.

Bush diverted the war effort away from Afghanastan to pick a fight with Iraq.


I tried to find some stats for the effect of the Iraqi war to show how enlistment fared with it, but got tired of looking for it. I am going to guess a serious decline in the amount of Americans willing to sign up for that. But check out after 9/11 And I am pretty sure that it spiked for a while as most of us wanted nothing more than to strike back hard.

We failed all those soldiers that died in Iraq that wanted to fight the people like Bin Laden that caused the World trade center attack.

 

[FilthyFletch]

Well dude where is Bin Laden? FLETCH: He is dead died years ago from kidney failure


He rebuilt the American forces through lies. "You hate freedom and Americuh if you don't join the armed services." Fucking seriously, half the people (even more I'm sure) don't even know why they're fighting over in Iraq. To promote freedom? They are just sick of getting bombed by us and killing civilians over and over since Reagan! What would happen if we had a country bombing people in southern CA or northern Maine multiple times, only to go, "Whoops sorry guys, thought you had bad people there."

Fletch: Umm you recruit armed force via asking for patriots who will stand without issue if your country calls on you. Thats why people are military granted you have a few dipshits who thought it was free school and might be mad they had to actually do what they agreed too but who cares they were agreeing to it and knew up front. Bush didnt force one soldier to join the armed forces most came and joined when america was attacked in New York why? Out of pride for thier country and the love for it. They said I will stand and fight to protect this country no matter what and they did..I have amny soldier friends and family all know why they went in. To defeat those who train and threaten us. we didnt go on a random bombing spree they attacked us and then Iraq commited mass genocide and broke the desert storm treat and UN agreement by funding terrorist trainsing, dening arms inspectiuons and firing on UN inspectoer but to you thats ok right??
What would happen if people bombed southern Cali well if we were here at home not starting a war to get attention then we would be surprsied and mad if we were sending 2 dozen guys into oh say bagdhd and starpping dynamite t 8 year olds and detonating them in the middle of crowds to say hey recognize us yeah we would desrve it.But see we didnt do that..they did and they got what had to be done. Yousee sometimes people need to not sleep in history class. You remember a little war called ww2 with a guy named Hitler. See he was invading countries, violating treaty agreements and do mass genocide. America said well its not our country for how many years? And the world said"America why wont you help please help stop him" The longer we did nothing the more who died. By the time we got off our ass Hitler had grown expanded and had much financing and allies who had to join or be taken. We finally got uip and helped. We made it harder by waiting so long the war was longer then it could have been. The genocide and dweath camps happebned millions died as america mind its business. Now lets lay that right by what Saddahm was doing gee what do you know same story except we didnt allow it to get so far out of hand this time. we acted befoe we let millions more die since it wasnt on our land...We did what we had been asked to before in the past but did it quicker to save our soldiers lives

We wouldn't put up with that shit either.

One second we're attacked and it's bin laden this, bin laden that, then Bush is like, "OH NOES! Eyeraq is dangerous and holding hostile weapons of mass destruction AMMEERUUCAHHH!"

Fletch : Agian you do remember Bush gave 3 reason to go in to IUraq right? Not the 1 you and dems try to bring up only. But 3 reason please tell me all 3 so i know you know what your talking about as 2 were proven immediately with the 3rd having good support b ut not physically found.. Ill wait for you to stae the 3 given reason as you do know the 3 not just one correct?

Then we never hear about bin laden again, go after Iraq to support our relationship with China, to promote democracy in Iraq...

Like-- Am I the only one wondering wtf happened?

Isn't this the opposite of what we needed?

Bin Laden is still running around, conjuring up ways to bring down the US, has that $1million bounty on his head and we just don't even care or report about it anymore.

It's kind of like if Pearl Harbour happened, we went after Vietnam, just cause they were meanies and looked Japanese.

Hell, we're already helping/funding a civil war in Africa and sending more troops into Afghanistan and some of Russia.

Fletch: Completely differnt example not even closley related.Now if Vietnam would have funded Japan suicide bomber training and gave trainging to Japan troops yeah its the same. Iraq was funding and had well know terrorist train camps along with various other treaty vilations which is why they got brought in besides the 3 original reason i am waiting for you to state so I know you have an idea of what your saying..Ill wait for you to post the 3 given reason along with thier findings then respond

 

[FilthyFletch]

The onlky failure to our troops that has come is what Obama has done. He pulled trops out before the last objectives were done leaving those who died being for nothing in the overall picture. To me they didnt die for nothing but Obama let them down and failed them by not supporting and giving them waht was need but crippling them by taking away funds, supplies and soldiers. Obama disgraced our soldiers not Bush Bush gave them everything he could that he could get past the democrates

 

[hanimmal]

The onlky failure to our troops that has come is what Obama has done. He pulled trops out before the last objectives were done leaving those who died being for nothing in the overall picture. To me they didnt die for nothing but Obama let them down and failed them by not supporting and giving them waht was need but crippling them by taking away funds, supplies and soldiers. Obama disgraced our soldiers not Bush Bush gave them everything he could that he could get past the democrates

What an asinine statement.

By allowing the Iraqi government to take the reigns of their country, you say that we are disrespecting our troops that we pull out of that hell hole.

It is fucknuts that say things like "you have failed to do what you were supposed to because we pulled you out" that does demoralize people, or at least mess with their pride. They fought and defeated Saddam's government. We did not need to continue to fight the citizens that lived there. We should have helped them to rebuild after that. We can now do this, and it is still a victory over who we were supposed to fight (and beat) in the first place there.

 

[FilthyFletch]

What an asinine statement.

By allowing the Iraqi government to take the reigns of their country, you say that we are disrespecting our troops that we pull out of that hell hole.

It is fucknuts that say things like "you have failed to do what you were supposed to because we pulled you out" that does demoralize people, or at least mess with their pride. They fought and defeated Saddam's government. We did not need to continue to fight the citizens that lived there. We should have helped them to rebuild after that. We can now do this, and it is still a victory over who we were supposed to fight (and beat) in the first place there.

Fletch: So your one of the people that think half ass doing your job is ok? That explains why americas products are crap. The iraq government and our forces knew it was not ready to be turned over yet. They knew and stated the surge was working but not done and if withdraw happened to fast the insurgents would push back in and trhe whole process be a waste..guess what it happened and the Iraqi government wasnt ready yet. we stirred the shit fire andf Obama yanked us out like an asshole. We abandoned them with no way to defend themselve or establish the new giovernemnt. did america get going over night from colonialship or did it take fighting and help from other countries to get a foot hold. If france ta the time and spain give us aide as we needed we would have failed..Its simple and Obama failed the new Iraq government and its people and yanked our soldiers who had fought so hard to get almost to the top of the hill then had the rug yanked from behind so yeah Obama failed us all miserbly

 

[hanimmal]

Fletch: So your one of the people that think half ass doing your job is ok? That explains why americas products are crap. The iraq government and our forces knew it was not ready to be turned over yet. They knew and stated the surge was working but not done and if withdraw happened to fast the insurgents would push back in and trhe whole process be a waste..guess what it happened and the Iraqi government wasnt ready yet. we stirred the shit fire andf Obama yanked us out like an asshole. We abandoned them with no way to defend themselve or establish the new giovernemnt. did america get going over night from colonialship or did it take fighting and help from other countries to get a foot hold. If france ta the time and spain give us aide as we needed we would have failed..Its simple and Obama failed the new Iraq government and its people and yanked our soldiers who had fought so hard to get almost to the top of the hill then had the rug yanked from behind so yeah Obama failed us all miserbly

Do you need someone to hold your hand the until you are capable, because it is never going to happen.

I am all for helping them get to this point, and now allowing them to fight their fight while we keep a small advisory and training force there. They need to be the ones fighting to get the on the job training. If I am going to show someone how to flip an burger, eventually they need to take the spatula away and do it themselves.

Your dumb ass is sitting here trying to be so Anti Obama that you are going to try to smear anything he does. And that is the problem with what you republicans are doing now. We have lost thousands of soldiers fighting the Iraqi people for way too long, they have proved that they do not want us there, and our continual killing of their citizens (over 1million of them are dead now) it is hurting more than helping at this point.

It is a good idea for our soldiers to be able to take a less hands on approach to Iraq. Getting them out of the way is not a retreat no matter how much your stupid ass thinks that it is. We cannot hold their hands forever, we did our part back when the "Mission Accomplished" sign went up and Saddams statue came down.

 

[what... huh?]

Pulling troops out before they CAN complete their mission is demoralizing. When they say "were done"... then you bring them back.


Listen to your military advisers. They say more boots, you give them more boots. The commanders want peace more than any of you. Their men bleed the fields. When they tell you it's time is when it's time. They are not war mongers, they are war strategists.


Let them do their jobs. Let them win.

 

[FilthyFletch]

nicely said. You dont trip them from behind in a heat battle you give them the push to finish

 

[GanjaAL]

YOu have to forgive some of these armchair combat people... they do not understand how the military works.... since most of them have never been there. They only believe what is on the boobtube.