Religion Has Done More Bad Than Good

[Illegal Smile]

When young people hate on religion in general it's usually a psychological displacement of their adolescent rebellion toward parental authority.

 

[fish601]

Well in Genesis God made the world in 6 days, that is impossible.

LOL maybe i am reading this wrong but just because it only took 6 days its impossible? if it would of taken him 8days would that be more reasonable?
Look if god made the world he could of done it as quick or took as long as he wanted he is god ya know

 

[phatlip]

they assume that halflife has allways been just over 5700 years.. if i have a 1 gallon bucket and let water drip in it i can caculate how long it will take to fill the bucket up but if for some reason i turn the water up just for a few seconds it will drastically change the time it takes to fill up... is it possable halflife has changed in the last umpteen billion years?

egggghhhhh! (think of the most ubnoxious wrong buzzer sound from a game show u can think of, that what egggghhh is supposed to mean) Wrong again my friend... Actually yes they do know the half life has always been that long because that IS the half life of Carbon 14... if the half life on a carbon isotope is not 5700 years then it isnt Carbon 14... any more genius shit to say? u really shouldnt get into an argument that u cant understand...

And let me tell u something... my grandfather is the best man that i will ever know... he was a philanthropist that never spent money on himself... he was born and raised a devoted jewish child... he decided to go to college and study physics... he got his Phd in astrophysics at the university of John hopkins... he finally saw what the universe really is... now dont get me wrong he still practiced hanukah and said his prayers, but he didnt take all the stories literally... he used the life lessons in the jewish religion to be the best man he could... he was the type of man that would take his shirt off in a snow storm just tto make u a little warmer... he was offered a job working with the federal govmt and he declined it because he wanted to teach and the university of New mexico, even tho he wasnt gonna be making nearly what he could have... he gave thousands of dollars to charities every year! Now he passed away last thursday at 82 years old... RIP... there was not one person that didnt like my grandfather... the point is that if u open your eyes to the world around u, u will see that it is more that just a man placing life forms on a rock as he so desires... im not saying that u need to give up your religion... but u owe yourself the favor to see the truly amazing phenomena of our planet and solar system...

as a side note... as far as the solar system being infinate and forever lasting... its actually now an accepted scientific theory that the universe is always getting bigger and expanding... proving that there had to be a moment of creation, i.e. The Big Bang... before u go on saying anything else... really research the BIG BANG, and carbon 14 dating... not on your religious websites...

oh and ur water dripping thing is not a valid comparison... sorry

 

[phatlip]

LOL maybe i am reading this wrong but just because it only took 6 days its impossible? if it would of taken him 8days would that be more reasonable?
Look if god made the world he could of done it as quick or took as long as he wanted he is god ya know

wrong again pal... cuz we know from a little thing called science... the full formation of the earth did not happen in six days

 

[CrackerJax]

LOL maybe i am reading this wrong but just because it only took 6 days its impossible? if it would of taken him 8days would that be more reasonable?
Look if god made the world he could of done it as quick or took as long as he wanted he is god ya know

so one day was spent making the Earth? And the REST of the cosmos which is INFINITELY BIGGER took how long?

Even that math doesn't add up....

 

[fish601]

so IF there was a god you all dont think God can creat 2 cosmos in one second? or 50 in a half a sec
i mean if God can create earth why does he have to have a time limit?

 

[CrackerJax]

You don't think it's a bit suspicious that by their own time line the earth took an entire day? You don't think it's a bit suspicious that the Bible concentrates on G*D creating the SUN, when G*D would obviously have to create Trillions more of the same complexity?

Or perhaps it shows quite clearly that the authors (men) had no idea that there were Trillions of suns out there........ certainly they did not have this knowledge, else they would have come up with a larger timetable or changed the increments.

What the primitive genesis stories tell us is that the authors thought the Earth was ALONE and the CENTER. Both ideas are 100% incorrect and the Genesis story illustrates that nicely.

 

[dpjones]

Well my point was we know from a fact nothing happened that quickly.

I studied Geology at College and although I cant remember all of it I remember that was prity solid evidence to prove that it took millions of years for all this shit to happen.

It wasn't like poof land, poof sea, poof animals.

The Himalayas for example have been forming for 70 million years and are still growing I believe. They are also considered young.

All the continents were once one big super continent that got split up due to tectonic plate movement. Look at the globe you can roughly see how they all join up.

I just read this page: http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v22/i1/creation.asp

It is so annoyingly frustrating I am pretty pissed. I don't usually get annoyed by other peoples ignorance but this is getting to me. If you got 10 minutes read this and write what ya think.

 

[CrackerJax]

Well the author loses the wheels on his cart pretty early in this article. Again, as with most religions, the first lie is the whopper. Once that lie is accepted, the rest gets a lot easier.

The author states that BOTH sides (religion and science) have built in presuppositions. This is untrue. only religion starts with a presupposition and all info which follows must first pass through this filter. Science has no filter other than can the "new" hypothesis stand up to scrutiny. If I could prove suddenly that indeed science has it wrong and the sun does indeed revolve around the Earth, science would test my new theory and if I am correct, it can and will be verified.

Global warming is a great way to look at how science would be if religion was in charge. No REAL data supports the "belief" that man causes global warming to any measurable degree, but ppl WANT it to be true, so it gets traction. Not a good sign for long term CLEAR science. Global warming got politicized. Global warming got religion.

 

[Brazko]

It is probably true quite generally that in the history of human thinking the most fruitful developments frequently take place at those points where two different lines of thought meet. These lines may have their roots in quite different parts of human culture, in different times or different cultural enviroments or different religious traditions: hence if they actually meet, that is, if they are at least as so much related to each other that a real interaction can take place, then one may hope that new and interesting developments may follow.

Werner Heisenberg

 

[phatlip]

correct me if im wrong but wasnt gallaleo placed on house arrest for his theories that went against the word of the church? it just goes to show that the church is far out gunned when it comes to modern science and religion... and that was almost 400 years ago... please read on...


quote from wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei
Galileo's championing of Copernicanism was controversial within his lifetime, when a large majority of philosophers and astronomers still subscribed (at least outwardly) to the geocentric view that the Earth is at the centre of the universe. After 1610, when he began supporting heliocentrism publicly, he met with bitter opposition from some philosophers and clerics, and two of the latter eventually denounced him to the Roman Inquisition early in 1615. Although he was cleared of any offence at that time, the Catholic Church nevertheless condemned heliocentrism as "false and contrary to Scripture" in February 1616,[8] and Galileo was warned to abandon his support for it—which he promised to do. When he later defended his views in his most famous work, Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems, published in 1632, he was tried by the Inquisition, found "vehemently suspect of heresy," forced to recant, and spent the rest of his life under house arrest.

 

[dpjones]

correct me if im wrong but wasnt gallaleo placed on house arrest for his theories that went against the word of the church? it just goes to show that the church is far out gunned when it comes to modern science and religion... and that was almost 400 years ago... please read on...


quote from wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei
Galileo's championing of Copernicanism was controversial within his lifetime, when a large majority of philosophers and astronomers still subscribed (at least outwardly) to the geocentric view that the Earth is at the centre of the universe. After 1610, when he began supporting heliocentrism publicly, he met with bitter opposition from some philosophers and clerics, and two of the latter eventually denounced him to the Roman Inquisition early in 1615. Although he was cleared of any offence at that time, the Catholic Church nevertheless condemned heliocentrism as "false and contrary to Scripture" in February 1616,[8] and Galileo was warned to abandon his support for it—which he promised to do. When he later defended his views in his most famous work, Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems, published in 1632, he was tried by the Inquisition, found "vehemently suspect of heresy," forced to recant, and spent the rest of his life under house arrest.

You are not wrong. The argument here would be though that it was man who punished him not God. People who interpreted the bible incorrectly.

 

[CrackerJax]

It is that very church which MADE the Bible. How could they misinterpret it? They were FOLLOWING it.

So who really follows the Bible? The answer of course is not many at all. If any one religion truly followed the teachings of the Bible, they would be OUTCASTS from society very very quickly.

What does this tell us about the Bible? Think hard......

 

[fish601]

It is that very church which MADE the Bible. How could they misinterpret it? They were FOLLOWING it.

So who really follows the Bible? The answer of course is not many at all. If any one religion truly followed the teachings of the Bible, they would be OUTCASTS from society very very quickly.

What does this tell us about the Bible? Think hard......

sometimes i think you are very smart other times i think you dont have a clue what your talking about.
Have you ever read the bible?
Have you really every looked in to how the bible came to be?

 

[fish601]

You don't think it's a bit suspicious that by their own time line the earth took an entire day? You don't think it's a bit suspicious that the Bible concentrates on G*D creating the SUN, when G*D would obviously have to create Trillions more of the same complexity?

Or perhaps it shows quite clearly that the authors (men) had no idea that there were Trillions of suns out there........ certainly they did not have this knowledge, else they would have come up with a larger timetable or changed the increments.

What the primitive genesis stories tell us is that the authors thought the Earth was ALONE and the CENTER. Both ideas are 100% incorrect and the Genesis story illustrates that nicely.

I think you missed the point on creating the sun. Reread the story

 

[fish601]

oh and ur water dripping thing is not a valid comparison... sorry

oh? why not?

 

[fish601]

Well the author loses the wheels on his cart pretty early in this article. Again, as with most religions, the first lie is the whopper. Once that lie is accepted, the rest gets a lot easier.

The author states that BOTH sides (religion and science) have built in presuppositions. This is untrue. only religion starts with a presupposition and all info which follows must first pass through this filter. Science has no filter other than can the "new" hypothesis stand up to scrutiny.

you dont think scientist have presupposition?

 

[CrackerJax]

you dont think scientist have presupposition?

No, science has no presupposition, only verifiable data. the more verified, the more it is accepted. If you can walk up and show Newton is wrong, and can prove it over and over, it will be accepted.

Religion works in the opposite direction.

 

[fish601]

wrong again pal... cuz we know from a little thing called science... the full formation of the earth did not happen in six days

Different dating methods often give quite different results.
If this was a reliable means of determining ages, then they should all agree.
In Australia some wood was found that had been buried in a lava flow which had formed into basalt.
The wood was “dated” by radiocarbon (carbon 14) analysis at about 45,000 years old.
But the basalt was “dated” by potassium-argon method at 45 million years old! [8]
A sample of wood dated 33,720 years old (+ or - 430 yrs) by the carbon 14 method was found in “middle Triassic” rock dated at 230 million years old!

 

[fish601]

No, science has no presupposition, only verifiable data. the more verified, the more it is accepted. If you can walk up and show Newton is wrong, and can prove it over and over, it will be accepted.

Religion works in the opposite direction.

ok religion does work in opposite direction but Dont put the Christian religion in the same catagory as all other religion because all other religions are wrong