plants perk up overnight?

hater hurter

Active Member
Fletch:
You would be absolutely wrong on that therorey. The ph flux due to the ppm to volume ratio this flux is what you cahrt to know your plants needs and current uptake. A fluxing ph will cause damage and hurt your plants if left unchecked. The standard and scientifically proven ph of the 5.5 (more for aero) to the accepted 5.8(general hydroponics such as flood and drain) allows maximum absorbtion of the nutrients and water. Now as the water level falls if your plant is in perfect harmony the ph will stay stable. If the water falls and the ph jumps then the plant is drinking more and eating less so you can cut back the ppm levels a bit. If the water doesnt drop but ppm drops then the plants are hungry and you can bump up thier nute ppm. As you go you will learn about ph and ppm and direct relation to your plants needs and health. A high ph or extreme low can cause nutrient salt build up and nutrient lock out which will show in your plants dramatically.Ive grown hydro for about 14 years and aero about 4 now with several hundred grows and have dialed in the ph pretty well now and can speak from years of expirence the need for correct stablized ph levels which is why most nutes have a ph buffer added to maintain ph consistency.


possibly the most informative post i've had to any question i've had. siomeone give this man some rep, cause i don't know how.:clap:
 

erkelsgoo420

New Member
Well damn I got served. Lol. Nah I know about tracking what the plant needs by ppm and ph. But I was under the impression that ph fluctuates naturally with the plant eating more food or water (as u said) but also with time sitting circulating in the res it naturally creeps up (prolly didn't word that in a way it makes sense sorry) but (and ill be honest this if off the pamplet that came with my soil ph testerlol) I was also under the impression that different nutes are more readily available at different ph and that 5.3-5.8 was considered a good "universal" ph to aim for but allowing the ph to drift (very slightly not spike but drift "controlled oversteer" lol) would allow for maximum nutrient intake.... Both seem arguable to me but it does seems less stressful to keep a constant ph which is a plus but on the other hand the other seems slightly more natural... :( now my brain hurts :wall:
 

TheFaux

New Member
k, thanks for all the responses. i was watching a movie so it took a while to get back.

i have a 175 w mh light around 4-5 inches forom the plants (trying to get them to stretch a little).

the ph does fluctuate a little (never more than .75) and i am using the tiger bloom in conjuncition with the grow big.
That's great! :razz:

Faux he gave specs and numbers and what is happening but no pictures so responses have to be given on info given and yes ph can cause a wilting effect but normally all plants will sag under heat compared to drawn in when its cooler ie the dark. You have made saevarl stupid statements that are not even in the realm of possibility so your not taken seriously so sit and be quiet and maybe you will learn something. Its obvious your a new grower or at least to hydro to even make a statement insinuating ph is not an important thing to monitor and yes it tells the story of your plant. I believe it was you who has posted in another thread buds grown in soil are actually :Dro: also. so based on that and the comments your randomly through out that are absolutly wrong with no point I dont think you should even offer any help to anyone until you figure out the basics yourself.Im not going to get childish as you did and get all bent out of shape but as i said stick around read and learn some things then you ll be able to try and help and not just throw out random incorrect info thats just basically well wrong.Good grows to ya
If it was pH, the problem wouldn't correct itself after lights off. Use your fuckin brain cuz that rep bar isn't helping. :fire:
 

erkelsgoo420

New Member
The "scale thing is above the name between the post number and the orange triangle thing haha. god I even sound old and technologically illiterate
 

FilthyFletch

Mr I Can Do That For Half
See Now faux is mad as a new grower he doesnt really know to much about this topic which he then randomly throws out ideas that do make myself and those who do understand how to do this laugh at his noobness which is fine as we all learn from expirence but as he doesnt have any yet he gets frustrated and then lashes out as a small child does.Ill help it for him since him not to smart... and this will go back to the question about natural flux. The ph does have a bit of natural fluation being from the evaporation of water from the nutrient solution which will happen mostly during the lights on or hot period (pay attention Faux its gets tricky now) when the lights are off the ph will flux again as evaporation is now reduced and the plants release moisature back from the stalks and roots into the res which will have a lower ph and ppm as the plant used some which lowered it but not thinned the nutrient base in the res making the ph slightly lower. Now that explains the ph flux and its relation to the natural rise or fal via evaporation. Now Faux if he had a brain would already know that heat can make a plant wilt on its own but elevated ph which is possible during lights on due to the process explained will cause limp or droopy leaves and stalks as the plant is now drinking less as higher ph makes uptake less accessable meaning lights on droppy plants from softer underinflated stalk and leaf tissue. So Now Faux if you had a brain i would say use it as your sure not showing you have one..again stick around read and learn and someday you might be able to post something that doesnt make you look like a retarded 12 year old who just found 3 bag seeds and is trying to grow them...Good grows to the rest of ya
 

FilthyFletch

Mr I Can Do That For Half
Thanks for the link post Faux it basically goes over what i just typed out to you now if you read it you may have learned something good job backing me up
 

FilthyFletch

Mr I Can Do That For Half
I like how it makes extra care in pointing out the importance of environment ie the temps, ph, ppm, res tempos, yes humidity which is good at 35 to 45% and can even go closer to 50% but not an issue unless mite control is needed as elevated humidty can discourage them but induce mold and bud rot if not monitored. Im just confused if you had the info why did you need me to explain it to you again as they staed the exact same stuff I already did?
 

wiseguy316

Well-Known Member
I asked about the light because it is possibly cringing from intense light. That is probably not the case, heat from the bulb might be. If you are trying to stretch the plant anyways move the light up 3 inches and see how the leaves react. Good luck
 
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