Leftist Blogs Defend Police Brutality In Student Tazering

[Garden Knowm]

Orlando, Florida residents are treated to some police state brutality:

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kinda remind me of GW's foriegn policy... don't you think...? that's pretty much a micro cosom of how the USA treats other countries?

thank god HILLARY is coming to save the day!!!!

ilove the clintons!!!

 

[medicineman]

Yeah, If they don't do as we say, kick their asses. Afterall, we're just promoting freedom!

 

[7xstall]

kinda remind me of GW's foriegn policy... don't you think...? that's pretty much a micro cosom of how the USA treats other countries?

thank god HILLARY is coming to save the day!!!!

ilove the clintons!!!

it does remind me of OUR foreign policy but what we see on the news isn't GW's invention. it started after WWII and snowballed during the 50's. what began as a "modern liberalism" philosophy of international interventionism became the warped pre-amble to "neo conservative" world imperialism. this is why the distinction between hardcore neo-cons and hardcore socialist dems is so vague today.

how is Hillary going to save the day? she was there when her husband had people burned alive in their home/church for not having proper papers on a couple guns. why didn't the para-military police go knock on the door before assaulting the building with their guns and bombs? she was there when the trade center was bombed and nothing was done about it. should we ignore the loud warnings from those who oppose us? she was there when we arrogantly sent cruise missiles at Bin Laden and Missed but did no follow up. do we need to continue to believe that our technical instruments of war justify the absence of dialog?

sorry friend, she would be a total catastrophe.



Vi might not agree with me now but if things don't get better soon we're going to see helmeted police with assault rifles and riot gear in every city... eager to put some wood to anyone they don't like. civil unrest will be impossible for even the genuine public servants to perceive as society lies motionless in the straitjacket of police control. our voices grow weaker as our fear of retaliation is more and more justified by the deeds of power hungry cops. most of them just want to do their job but many of them have an agenda, a sick and twisted agenda.







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[medicineman]

it does remind me of OUR foreign policy but what we see on the news isn't GW's invention. it started after WWII and snowballed during the 50's. what began as a "modern liberalism" philosophy of international interventionism became the warped pre-amble to "neo conservative" world imperialism. this is why the distinction between hardcore neo-cons and hardcore socialist dems is so vague today.

how is Hillary going to save the day? she was there when her husband had people burned alive in their home/church for not having proper papers on a couple guns. why didn't the para-military police go knock on the door before assaulting the building with their guns and bombs? she was there when the trade center was bombed and nothing was done about it. should we ignore the loud warnings from those who oppose us? she was there when we arrogantly sent cruise missiles at Bin Laden and Missed but did no follow up. do we need to continue to believe that our technical instruments of war justify the absence of dialog?

sorry friend, she would be a total catastrophe.



Vi might not agree with me now but if things don't get better soon we're going to see helmeted police with assault rifles and riot gear in every city... eager to put some wood to anyone they don't like. civil unrest will be impossible for even the genuine public servants to perceive as society lies motionless in the straitjacket of police control. our voices grow weaker as our fear of retaliation is more and more justified by the deeds of power hungry cops. most of them just want to do their job but many of them have an agenda, a sick and twisted agenda.







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My God, you ought to write a book. Your prose is awesome. Hey, we need some kind of police protection (Maybe from police), But the current rash of police violence must stop. I adhere to the rule of law as much as I can without being rediculous. If I come to a red light in the middle of Bumfuck and there is not a car in sight, I might wait for a few seconds, but if the light doesn't change, I'm runnin it. I drive about 7-10 miles over the speed limit as that is the tolerance allowed in most states I live or drive in. I cut lables off my mattresses and bedsheets etc. I try and not "impose" on anothers rights and expect the same in return, including cops. those cops that arrested the person filming them should be advised of the first amendment, To assemble peacefully. Where does it say that it is against the law to film police arrests. If there is such a law, it should be repealed as that is the foundation of police state tactics. Policemen are not gods and are not above the law, they need to be held accountable.

 

[7xstall]

thanks, med. i live in such a way that i don't need laws... you could take all the laws off the books and it wouldn't change anything i do everyday. you can add more laws and it won't change me either.

as long as i deeply respect human life and the perspective of others the rest falls into place.

it was crazy to me how that cop approached the guy with the camera. shouting and forcing him to the ground, trying to escalate the situation so he could justify giving him a few licks. they need to stop training these guys to be para-military.






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[ViRedd]

Do cops get out of hand at times? Yes, some do. Are cops in danger everytime they put their uniforms on? Yes. Even simple traffic stops are dangerous situations for the cops. They must be on the alert at all times in order to return home to their families after their shift is over. Do any of you guys have a cop in the family?

I don't believe that Americans will revolt anytime soon, if ever. As long as government schools continue the brain washing, as long as we have tons of food in the super markets, and as long as we have a bizzilion choices at CostCo, WalMart and Home Depot, Americans will go along with the program. Hell, most Americans cannot name their Congressman and have never read the founding documents. What's worse, they could care less.

Vi

 

[medicineman]

Do cops get out of hand at times? Yes, some do. Are cops in danger everytime they put their uniforms on? Yes. Even simple traffic stops are dangerous situations for the cops. They must be on the alert at all times in order to return home to their families after their shift is over. Do any of you guys have a cop in the family?

I don't believe that Americans will revolt anytime soon, if ever. As long as government schools continue the brain washing, as long as we have tons of food in the super markets, and as long as we have a bizzilion choices at CostCo, WalMart and Home Depot, Americans will go along with the program. Hell, most Americans cannot name their Congressman and have never read the founding documents. What's worse, they could care less.

Vi

I agree. But excess violence is not right. 7X says do away with cops and he'd be OK. I'm sorry, but there are a lot of scary-crazy guys out there that are held at bay by cops, or the idea of cops that would turn this country into a bully schoolyard overnight if cops went away, yeah I've got guns, but I'm not always on the edge of my seat waiting for the next bad guy to come crashing through my door. The idea of cops and the fact that citizens can have guns keep those assholes at bay.

 

[7xstall]

Do any of you guys have a cop in the family?

i have a couple friends who are cops, an uncle who used to be one, and i do respect the genuine servants greatly. but, police brutality is on the rise and i agree with Ron Paul 100% that our domestic problems reflect what we are doing to the world. these cops are going around ready to deal justice to anyone getting out of line because they know how corrupt our courts are, they know the system is flawed and they build frustration, they are afraid of us, regular citizens! this could become a huge post but i'll just say we need to stop teaching them military tactics, this is not Constitutional. we need our military to stop learning police tactics - not their job. the line between military and police should be a few football fields wide.


7X says do away with cops and he'd be OK.

i know this sounds radical. what i'm saying is if you do away with law, all of it, i'm ok with that. not all at once and not in a reckless fashion, but i think that law is itself a burden on society.

with law we take conscientious ownership of people's action from them. that immediately lowers the bar, it instantly "de-inspires" people.

for example, let's look at a red light scenario:

i got up late and am now going to be late for work.

the light has changed to yellow as i approach, in two seconds it will be red, i am 3 seconds from the light.

what happens next?

due to law, almost all of us would say, "stop, you'll get a ticket."

they have taken away the most superior reason - people could get hurt or killed if i don't stop.

i think there is natural law, which needs no enforcement or explanation, and everything else is flawed. everything else confuses people and distracts us from living in a way that is much less superficial.






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[medicineman]

Do any of you guys have a cop in the family?

i have a couple friends who are cops, an uncle who used to be one, and i do respect the genuine servants greatly. but, police brutality is on the rise and i agree with Ron Paul 100% that our domestic problems reflect what we are doing to the world. these cops are going around ready to deal justice to anyone getting out of line because they know how corrupt our courts are, they know the system is flawed and they build frustration, they are afraid of us, regular citizens! this could become a huge post but i'll just say we need to stop teaching them military tactics, this is not Constitutional. we need our military to stop learning police tactics - not their job. the line between military and police should be a few football fields wide.


7X says do away with cops and he'd be OK.

i know this sounds radical. what i'm saying is if you do away with law, all of it, i'm ok with that. not all at once and not in a reckless fashion, but i think that law is itself a burden on society.

with law we take conscientious ownership of people's action from them. that immediately lowers the bar, it instantly "de-inspires" people.

for example, let's look at a red light scenario:

i got up late and am now going to be late for work.

the light has changed to yellow as i approach, in two seconds it will be red, i am 3 seconds from the light.

what happens next?

due to law, almost all of us would say, "stop, you'll get a ticket."

they have taken away the most superior reason - people could get hurt or killed if i don't stop.

i think there is natural law, which needs no enforcement or explanation, and everything else is flawed. everything else confuses people and distracts us from living in a way that is much less superficial.






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And that includes peoples sense of morals. I'm sorry but your Ideal world does not exist, in fact I doubt that it ever did exist after Eve Conned Adam. So your world where everyone is fair and balanced (sound familiar) is not to be seen. If a guy in a big rig didn't feel there was a law to stop at the red light and he might be sued or thrown in jail, he would own red lights and you in your honda would be very unwise to try and proceed if he was doing 50MPH and you had the green. Reason trumps fantasy.

 

[7xstall]

And that includes peoples sense of morals. I'm sorry but your Ideal world does not exist, in fact I doubt that it ever did exist after Eve Conned Adam. So your world where everyone is fair and balanced (sound familiar) is not to be seen. If a guy in a big rig didn't feel there was a law to stop at the red light and he might be sued or thrown in jail, he would own red lights and you in your honda would be very unwise to try and proceed if he was doing 50MPH and you had the green. Reason trumps fantasy.

sure, there are people who can't understand natural law... there are people who lack moral principals and there are people who can't understand these things but they are rare.

so, you would say that the big rig guy regards a $50 fine as more of an incentive to stop than respect for human life?

what if the fine didn't exist and he wasn't afraid to pull that air horn if he knew he couldn't stop because he also knew the cops wouldn't be alerted to come give him a ticket?

what if i just proved that the law kills people?

people are naturally inclined to do things that benefit themselves. the law often provides leverage for one particular group over another, sound familiar? the corruption of law is as equally impossible to avoid as the innate greed that men possess. taking away the law exposes men for what they are and allows us to be accountable. this would make the world better, wouldn't it?






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[medicineman]

what if i just proved that the law kills people?

I would certainly agree that cops kill people and Judges kill people and wardens kill people, but the "law"? I believe the "law" is designed to prevent killing as man is nothing more, without spirit, than a jungle animal. You are supposing Man is good, I will not accept that. There are good men, Jesus, Ghandi, Mohammed, Budda, come to mind, but mostly men are selfish greedy pigs, that consume more than they produce and don't care about the next guys hardships enough to compromise their lifestyles. There I've said it and I'm glad. Every day we see another myth exposed. Preists molesting children, UN protectors raping young girls, teachers having sex with minors, our leaders in compromising situations, (Larry Craig). Hey, the devil is loosed upon the world. My solution, stay close to home and make sure you have plenty of ammo.

 

[7xstall]

lol, actually i was saying that the red light law/fine encourages drivers to act on that bad self-centered impulse and kill people. if the driver knew he had the liberty to sound his horn to warn people that he was making a mistake - people could get out of the way! that tense feeling people get from running red light comes from the anxiety that they were seen by a cop, not from guilt that someone's life was in danger. that's bad!

i do agree with what you're saying but i think we need to hold people accountable to more than technical arguments or various interpretations of law. (how many rapists and murderers get off from technicalities???) there are some absolutes.






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[medicineman]

lol, actually i was saying that the red light law/fine encourages drivers to act on that bad self-centered impulse and kill people. if the driver knew he had the liberty to sound his horn to warn people that he was making a mistake - people could get out of the way! that tense feeling people get from running red light comes from the anxiety that they were seen by a cop, not from guilt that someone's life was in danger. that's bad!

i do agree with what you're saying but i think we need to hold people accountable to more than technical arguments or various interpretations of law. (how many rapists and murderers get off from technicalities???) there are some absolutes.






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Money walks and OJ talks. If you can afford the best defense, you may get away with murder, but if you are poor, you may look like the murderer and get the death sentence, "all Blacks look alike" is and certainly was a credible prosecutorial tool for decades, Put any black man in an all white lineup and ask the white woman (who was raped by a black man) to pick the rapist, bingo, the black man did it., no matter what his alibi, or what he looks like. This type of "Justice" is now being served upon all poor people regardless of race or color, Maybe more so on Blacks ,but all inclusive anyway. Is there a class divide? Well ollie, there sure as hell is! Hey, I am for class warfare. That is the only viable solution. The rich pigs are certainly not about to share.

 

[7xstall]

there you go. like i said, the law can and often is leveraged by people at an advantage while people at a disadvantage are on the torque end of the deal....

the solution: minimal law based on natural law and minimal government.






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[medicineman]

there you go. like i said, the law can and often is leveraged by people at an advantage while people at a disadvantage are on the torque end of the deal....

the solution: minimal law based on natural law and minimal government.






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Minimal law would revert us back to jungle rule. The meanest badest motherfuckers on the planet would come and take your govment cheeze, fuck your wife and daughters and drive off in your porsche, after burning down your house. I would probably be one of them, ~LOL~.

 

[ViRedd]

7x ...

Let's say that you and I are cattlemen and we are neighbors. Our spreads are huge and our houses are 20 miles apart. Rustlers start stealing our cattle. Try as we might, there are just too many rustlers for the two of us to handle and still run profitible operations. So, we get ourselves some hired guns. Let's call them "Cops."

Our "Cops" are doing a fine job of shooting the rustlers in the ass and driving them away ... and you and I think our money for the protection is being well spent.

Then we discover that the "Cops" have started rustling our cattle. What now? Well, you and I have to take our rifles down from our mantleplaces again and start fighting the "Cops."

Our cattle operations start going south again.

You're a thinker, so you suggest that we call the U.S. Marshall's office. The Marshall and his posse drive the crooked "Cops" off of our properties, shoot them and arrest the survivors. The survivors are taken to court and given long prison sentences. You and I are left alone to raise our families, our cattle and earn a healthy profit in the process.

Do you think we shouldn't have laws against rustling and crooked "Cops?"

Vi

 

[Garden Knowm]

Yeah, If they don't do as we say, kick their asses. Afterall, we're just promoting freedom!

probably the hardest i have laughed while on this site.... tried to rep you... but got denied..

so instead i'll send you a 2 day pass --- all the free rides you can handle on my girlfriend

love
gk

 

[7xstall]

Do you think we shouldn't have laws against rustling and crooked "Cops?"

no, Vi, i don't think we need laws which are that specific. murder is murder. justified killing is justified killing. accidents are accidents. we don't need to identify something as murder then define what kind of murder it was; homicide, crime of passion, man slaughter, etc... what is that stuff anyway?

a man drives drunk and kills a family. how is he innocent of murder when that family would be alive today had that man not driven drunk and killed them?

theft is theft, doesn't matter if it's cows or cars. stealing a man's property is not cool and there isn't any need to try to define that either. you can steal less than $1000 worth or more than $1000 worth. the higher it goes the more years in the slammer. the more people you steal from the more years in the slammer.

all the laws on the books are getting so specific that judges are hardly more than referees in black robes, doing the bidding of the DA (which is an extension of the police).

we hire judges to discern what law and punishment is appropriate for crimes. back to the drunk killer, shouldn't a judge determine the severity of the punishment? why is the DA even allowed to mis-categorize the crime as accidental homicide? why are DAs empowered to short circuit the role of the judge and courts??? isn't this violation of the checks and balances form of government we're supposed to have; judicial, executive (police and DAs), legislative? seems like it's all executive and legislative to me. quite scary, because those two branches are likely to be even more out of touch with reality than the judges!

in our country, the law, like it or not, was based on the Ten Commandments - natural law. it is my contention that Other law is suffocating America (stolen from a book i read in high school - The Death of Common Sense - How Law is Suffocating America). too much law justifies, dilutes and rationalizes so many heinous deeds that it's mind boggling to me.

should a guy who breaks into your house and takes a TV and some jewelry be sentenced to more time than a child rapist? can we even pretend to have justice in America when this happens even once? it happens every day. they talk about if there was penetration of the child or just touching. they want to know if there was vaginal contact or anal contact, if there were only oral acts performed. that's insanity. pure insanity. doing anything sexual to a child is rape but not according to our many, many laws.

that brings me to another example - the age of consent laws. when i was 18 my girl friend was 16 so the relationship that we had together for 2 years became a sex crime on my birthday. insanity. thanks to our heroes in the legislative branch there's a black guy in prison here in Georgia for getting a blowjob from a 16 year old girl when he was 18. he's been in prison for years, years!

we only need a framework of law that defines rough expectations, let the people be as specific as they want to be and let the responsibility lie on their shoulders but we must let the judges do the judging.

legislators cross the line when they start getting specific. they don't like a judge's ruling so they take action. they are out of touch and don't realize the impact of their pages and pages of blabbering lawyer non-sense. instead of trying to get back at an "activist judge" they need to be listening to the people that elected them.

alright, that's enough ranting for now...






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[medicineman]

Do you think we shouldn't have laws against rustling and crooked "Cops?"

no, Vi, i don't think we need laws which are that specific. murder is murder. justified killing is justified killing. accidents are accidents. we don't need to identify something as murder then define what kind of murder it was; homicide, crime of passion, man slaughter, etc... what is that stuff anyway?

a man drives drunk and kills a family. how is he innocent of murder when that family would be alive today had that man not driven drunk and killed them?

theft is theft, doesn't matter if it's cows or cars. stealing a man's property is not cool and there isn't any need to try to define that either. you can steal less than $1000 worth or more than $1000 worth. the higher it goes the more years in the slammer. the more people you steal from the more years in the slammer.

all the laws on the books are getting so specific that judges are hardly more than referees in black robes, doing the bidding of the DA (which is an extension of the police).

we hire judges to discern what law and punishment is appropriate for crimes. back to the drunk killer, shouldn't a judge determine the severity of the punishment? why is the DA even allowed to mis-categorize the crime as accidental homicide? why are DAs empowered to short circuit the role of the judge and courts??? isn't this violation of the checks and balances form of government we're supposed to have; judicial, executive (police and DAs), legislative? seems like it's all executive and legislative to me. quite scary, because those two branches are likely to be even more out of touch with reality than the judges!

in our country, the law, like it or not, was based on the Ten Commandments - natural law. it is my contention that Other law is suffocating America (stolen from a book i read in high school - The Death of Common Sense - How Law is Suffocating America). too much law justifies, dilutes and rationalizes so many heinous deeds that it's mind boggling to me.

should a guy who breaks into your house and takes a TV and some jewelry be sentenced to more time than a child rapist? can we even pretend to have justice in America when this happens even once? it happens every day. they talk about if there was penetration of the child or just touching. they want to know if there was vaginal contact or anal contact, if there were only oral acts performed. that's insanity. pure insanity. doing anything sexual to a child is rape but not according to our many, many laws.

that brings me to another example - the age of consent laws. when i was 18 my girl friend was 16 so the relationship that we had together for 2 years became a sex crime on my birthday. insanity. thanks to our heroes in the legislative branch there's a black guy in prison here in Georgia for getting a blowjob from a 16 year old girl when he was 18. he's been in prison for years, years!

we only need a framework of law that defines rough expectations, let the people be as specific as they want to be and let the responsibility lie on their shoulders but we must let the judges do the judging.

legislators cross the line when they start getting specific. they don't like a judge's ruling so they take action. they are out of touch and don't realize the impact of their pages and pages of blabbering lawyer non-sense. instead of trying to get back at an "activist judge" they need to be listening to the people that elected them.

alright, that's enough ranting for now...






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Sooo, all we really need is the ten commandments, right? That is pretty much Sharia law, only the punishment differs, cut off the hand for stealing, stone the wife for cheating (Coveting) death to infadels, Oh wait, that is a bit different.~LOL~. Laws and the fucking lawyers that live off of them, the fucking police that enforce and also break them, and the judges that pronounce sentence on them, uhhh, what was the question?

 

[7xstall]

there isn't anything about punishment in the ten commandments and i'm just saying those common sense, natural law principals are already the core of any civilized society. they always will be.

that's why we don't live in a civilized society, i can go murder people in my car while i'm drunk and then pay a lawyer to get me probation. i can slice and dice my ex-wife and her boyfriend but get off after a circus trial that made a mockery of every aspect of our "system".

as Metallica said in the late 90's (in their best album ever released): "lady justice has been raped, truth assassin. rolls of red tape seal your lips, now you're done in."






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