Prices of Medical herbl okay, or, way too high?

[Nine Coats]

To me this question has been rolling around for sometime now. Wondered if anyone else has wondered why the price of "medi" herb equals the price of "street herb?" Street herb is grown beyond the eyes of the law, and as thus a huge RISK is taken to get anything in the bag. Less that 1/3 of all herb planted outside makes into a bag. 1/3.
Thus the price is whatever they say it is, as only they understand the problems it took to bring the herb to you. By the way, where do you think herb came from for 40 years before the legal stuff? Now, herb grown beyond the law is shunned upon by many Medi users. They are now seen as criminals, not at all like us Medi users. A case of revisoinist history being played out in front of our very eyes.
Outdoor growers have been fighting in the trenches for many decades, and have brought you many wonder hours of pleasure and pain relief through what they've risked their freedom for. They fought the war, Medi user are marching in the victory parade! How quickly we forget! I'm proud of being a Black Dirt Warrior, and believe i've done my best to grow the very best herb possible under the conditions allowed to me.
How do you feel about the things I've brought out here?
Pile in?

 

[Green Cross]

Are you saying price is determined by risk?

Regardless of the risk, price is driven by supply and demand, and production costs.

If more states legalize medical herb, then the demand will go up along with the price. and as taxes and energy goes up, so will the price.

There's plenty of competition on the street, so prices can only go up as much as people are willing to pay.

 

[Nine Coats]

Thanks Green, interesting view. Yes, I am saying that "risk" is the biggest player in outdoor grows. What other product in your daily life is produced outside the law?
LOL dude, i'm not looking for a fight, just want to get some air on this subject.
Let hear some more from you?

 

[JeepBeep]

The thing that erks me about how the clubs run is the claim and advertise that they are a not profit org. yet they will continually mark up there prices 20-50% I know clubs that get clones for 8 bucks a pop and sell them for 20 a piece. How is this compassionate?

if they pay 4k per lb

1/8 = 60
1/4 = 120
1/2 - 240
1 oz = 400 (depends)

1lb = 6,400

I know they have some cost they have to cover (wages, rent, elec, advertising ect.) but I still think they are a touch to pricy. Just my opinion though.

 

[chiselsr]

up here in nor cal u will pay 18 dollars a gram at a med shop. i get it for $10 a gram on the streets. thats 63 an 1/8 thats fucked, they say its cheaper because "we took out the middle man", bull shit. the state is telling these guys to open up and a lot of counties are hating it but they cant do shit about it. there is a lot of old fokes that have little to know income and they are suppose to pay more because they dont know any better. makes me sick.

 

[JeepBeep]

I havent heard of the state wanting them to open then up, from what I heard most places dont even know they are there.

There was a good article in the OC register saying how in Lake Forest the buissness arent require to register with the city, so thats why there seem to be alot popping up there, but a high percentage of them are not even foloowing the state guidlines, like making you have your orginal recomindation when coming in, verifying all patients as sson as they come in ect..

I think they should get to 10-15 per g and 45-50 per 1/8

up here in nor cal u will pay 18 dollars a gram at a med shop. i get it for $10 a gram on the streets. thats 63 an 1/8 thats fucked, they say its cheaper because "we took out the middle man", bull shit. the state is telling these guys to open up and a lot of counties are hating it but they cant do shit about it. there is a lot of old fokes that have little to know income and they are suppose to pay more because they dont know any better. makes me sick.

 

[Smiley D]

That was a tad rambling but here we go.

Nothing is ever over-overpriced. The market sets the price. I think the $50 per 3.5 is a solid precedent and hope it stays there for a while.

Medi users shunning black market ganj? Of course. They just want safe access to regulated, quality controlled herb. No need to taint their cause by getting involved with us criminals when they can legally grow their own or employ a caretaker to do so.

The only war growers have fought is to keep themselves out of jail. Does the outdoor group want legalization or decriminalization? Not me, or anyone that is profiting from the legally inflated price of fine ganj truly wants that.

Black dirt warrior? Kind of infringing on a semi-famous weed forum hero's trademark aren't we now?

Do you really grow the finest herb you can muster? Are you really full organic outdoor? Kudos if so. Though I imagine you make concessions on quality(organics) to gain yeild, like the vast majority of for profit growers do.

You seem to think outdoor growers are due some kind of recognition for the current medi laws in place. I disagree. The only reward for that kind of work is the cash in hand at the end of the season. There are intangibles one gains, and they are certainly valuable, moreso than even the cash, but these things come from within, not from the recognition of others.

 

[chiselsr]

I havent heard of the state wanting them to open then up, from what I heard most places dont even know they are there.

There was a good article in the OC register saying how in Lake Forest the buissness arent require to register with the city, so thats why there seem to be alot popping up there, but a high percentage of them are not even foloowing the state guidlines, like making you have your orginal recomindation when coming in, verifying all patients as sson as they come in ect..

I think they should get to 10-15 per g and 45-50 per 1/8

Right on thats the way it should be, i live in a small town and when the city had there meeting there was a lot of pissed off people. the city cant do shit because the state and lawyers are with them, in fact the lawyers told them to put up shop before a biss licence was issued. dud tells everyone call my lawyer, they cant beat the state. same shit happened in Redding California, city bitched lawyers said pretty much shut the fuck up state says its ok.

 

[KaleoXxX]

according to the law, care givers are not allowed to charge more than it take to produce the bud. this might seem obvious, but i can never get any of you lucky MediCal people to tell me what this price is. your not supposed to make any profit off of it, but how much dose a caregiver charge?

i also envy you people who can just walk into a store, look through 100 different buds, chose the one you want, not to mention some canna-snacks and clones and all that marijuana related good stuff. you dont need to deal with any shitty drug dealers and never have to worry about being stiffed.

$63 for an 1/8 of top shelf premo bud? well seeing as i pay $55-60 for top of the line the extra $3 dosnt seem worth complaining about when you can get it legally

on another note, do they sell subpar midgrade or kind bud grade marijuana at dispensaries?

 

[Green Cross]

Thanks Green, interesting view. Yes, I am saying that "risk" is the biggest player in outdoor grows. What other product in your daily life is produced outside the law?
LOL dude, i'm not looking for a fight, just want to get some air on this subject.
Let hear some more from you?

No fight, just good old fashioned debate

Isn't herb that's grown outdoors cheaper than medical quality herb?

Risk hasn't increased since the war on drugs, in fact I think the laws have eased a little.

Crack is a good example of risk vs price. Even after they passed mandatory minimum sentences for dealers selling crack cocaine crack, the price stayed the same.

If people are willing to spend $20 a gram, that will determine the price. Supply and demand.

The biggest reason prices are up is inflation. The price of everything is up. It's $80 for a carton of smokes in the city, and 2 years ago it was more like $40. Gasoline, food, energy have nearly doubled in 10 years. I'm pissed about having to pay $10 for a cheeseburger, but I can't blame the guy who prepares it, because his costs are passed on to me.

 

[JeepBeep]

My good friend is a caregiver up north, he charges 3,900 per lb.

Clubs charge anywhere from 60-75 1/8 for the best.

Clubs highest pay rate usually tops out at 4k per lb.

some clubs will sell some mid grades, but you RARLEY see anything under 50, and the 50 stuff is not the best.

IF you want to see what clubs are charging for what, go to WEEDMAPS.COM and click on any club, 90% of them post prices / pics

 

[Teeg420]

some of the "elite" strains will fetch up to 4200-4400 an lb. in the bay area so i cant imagine what so cal charges, ive heard that 4200 is common. When i say elite i mean og kush, chemdog, headband and so forth. Plus its all about how well you negotiate with the club, and the product you bring in. If its all a cola material and flushed well no mites mildew bud rot etc. then you can expect top dollar.

 

[Nine Coats]

The thing that erks me about how the clubs run is the claim and advertise that they are a not profit org. yet they will continually mark up there prices 20-50% I know clubs that get clones for 8 bucks a pop and sell them for 20 a piece. How is this compassionate?

if they pay 4k per lb

1/8 = 60
1/4 = 120
1/2 - 240
1 oz = 400 (depends)

1lb = 6,400

I know they have some cost they have to cover (wages, rent, elec, advertising ect.) but I still think they are a touch to pricy. Just my opinion though.

That all sounds well bowed to me. I'm a bit slow here, let me ask you, if herb growing is illegal in say Cali, who grows the herb that the "compassionate" herb sellers?
9 Coats~

 

[NewGrowth]

What is "legally grown" anyway? Plant guidelines are way too low, someone has to grow more or there would be a huge shortage.

 

[Nine Coats]

That was a tad rambling but here we go.

Nothing is ever over-overpriced. The market sets the price. I think the $50 per 3.5 is a solid precedent and hope it stays there for a while.

Medi users shunning black market ganj? Of course. They just want safe access to regulated, quality controlled herb. No need to taint their cause by getting involved with us criminals when they can legally grow their own or employ a caretaker to do so.

The only war growers have fought is to keep themselves out of jail. Does the outdoor group want legalization or decriminalization? Not me, or anyone that is profiting from the legally inflated price of fine ganj truly wants that.

Black dirt warrior? Kind of infringing on a semi-famous weed forum hero's trademark aren't we now?

Do you really grow the finest herb you can muster? Are you really full organic outdoor? Kudos if so. Though I imagine you make concessions on quality(organics) to gain yeild, like the vast majority of for profit growers do.

You seem to think outdoor growers are due some kind of recognition for the current medi laws in place. I disagree. The only reward for that kind of work is the cash in hand at the end of the season. There are intangibles one gains, and they are certainly valuable, moreso than even the cash, but these things come from within, not from the recognition of others.

We see things differently. Sorry if using a set of words in referring to myself and others like me has in any way down graded anyone's rep. You seem to think all outdoor growers are Mexicans dumping filth in their herb? You also should consider whom has brought you herb all these years at great personal risk. You have to understand culture to understand how these growers have effected it by bringing herb to all of us these many decades? Herb stopped the Vietnam war dude, that was before you were born, but you can read, right? Those that operate outside the law are called, "Cultural Revolutionaries," and ARE the reason you can go buy herb from your medi supplier. Yes, outdoor growers received money for their efforts, is that a crime too?

 

[Nine Coats]

means against the law. means if they catch you you go to prison. means that it is very difficult to produce considering all that goes into it.

 

[Nine Coats]

No fight, just good old fashioned debate

Isn't herb that's grown outdoors cheaper than medical quality herb?

Risk hasn't increased since the war on drugs, in fact I think the laws have eased a little.

Crack is a good example of risk vs price. Even after they passed mandatory minimum sentences for dealers selling crack cocaine crack, the price stayed the same.

If people are willing to spend $20 a gram, that will determine the price. Supply and demand.

The biggest reason prices are up is inflation. The price of everything is up. It's $80 for a carton of smokes in the city, and 2 years ago it was more like $40. Gasoline, food, energy have nearly doubled in 10 years. I'm pissed about having to pay $10 for a cheeseburger, but I can't blame the guy who prepares it, because his costs are passed on to me.

LOL Dude, digg'n the debate! Not talking about selling dope on the street. Most out door growers do not ever even get into the city. It's obvious you've never grown our doors and have little respect for what they have provided over the last 5 decades. Yes, I do consider myself an Out Door Warrior, and have been since 1967. I have watering cans older than most dudes writing here, and can tell you many many tales of the War on dope.

 

[Nine Coats]

Would like to add something here if I may? This is the DEA's sat. On any given weekend, in 3 of any of the larger American cities, three tons of herb is smoked!! Now, do the freaking math? Add up that number plus all the major cities together on a week end in the USA, add all that herb up too. Getting the picture? How can any indoor grow supply the herb fires that burn like London during the end of WW2! That comes to over 200 tons of herb in 72 hours. That is how the herb debate has continued for all these years, this never ending supply of out door herb has kept people smoking and demanding their rights. LOL, dig hearing that chat!

 

[Green Cross]

LOL Dude, digg'n the debate! Not talking about selling dope on the street. Most out door growers do not ever even get into the city. It's obvious you've never grown our doors and have little respect for what they have provided over the last 5 decades. Yes, I do consider myself an Out Door Warrior, and have been since 1967. I have watering cans older than most dudes writing here, and can tell you many many tales of the War on dope.

I guess you took my comments as an insult to weed farmers? lol But my point was the prices haven't gone up because the heat has increased, in fact it hasn't. The war on drugs was lost in the late 80's, but when the feds were coming down hard, prices were cheap.

This thread started about medical weed prices, and the only reason some weed goes for $4000 per lb is because people are willing to pay that much not because they're afraid of being caught growing it.

 

[Nine Coats]

I guess you took my comments as an insult to weed farmers? lol But my point was the prices haven't gone up because the heat has increased, in fact it hasn't. The war on drugs was lost in the late 80's, but when the feds were coming down hard, prices were cheap.

This thread started about medical weed prices, and the only reason some weed goes for $4000 per lb is because people are willing to pay that much not because they're afraid of being caught growing it.

i started the thread, and medi prices are only relative to street herb, and are they too high(compared to street herb)?
LOL dude, let's agree to disagree?
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