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shroomer33

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fish601 said:
I want people to attack my beliefs it will either build my faith if they are wrong or if they are right i will change what i believe.

I am open, I mean if evolution (monkey turning into man) could be proved without a doubt i would have to change my beliefs. If you could prove that jesus didnt exist i would have to change my beliefs. I am searching for the truth and believe i have found it but that will not stop me from being open to other beliefs.
If i am wrong about christianity then i need to see that and find something else, what would be the point of being a christian if it wasnt true?
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1st of all, 'evolution' is much more than monkey turning into man. It is dead matter turning into man.
Even if it was proven that we came from monkeys, there would be no reason to abandon Christ or the Bible. I used to believe that God just worked through evolution. I was a person who believed wholeheartedly in random mutation/natural selection driven evolution, then I became a Christian. I was still an 'evolutionist'. I just thought that God somehow planned our evolution. Through a few more years of studying, I found that random mutation/natural selection driven 'evolution' is totally wrong and doesn't have a shred of proof. I was just as much of a Christian believing in random mutation/natural selection driven 'evolution'. My transformation into believing that all that 'evolution' crap is indeed crap was a scientific one, not a religious one.
 
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CrackerJax

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I did not claim it as my own so what's your point, other than to not admit you are wrong. deflect away all you wish, but Jesus (if he ever existed) was most certainly a Jew, talking to Jews about being Jewish, the Jesus way. It was rejected...and the rebel Christian Jews have been pissed ever since. The new sect was never called Christians in the beginning, but instead Christian Jews, which was an accurate label. Only later was the reference to Jews dropped. It's no coincidence that the Old Testament is the Jewish Bible, another indication of a hijacked religion gone bad.
 
shroomer33

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Brazko said:
I don't understand, what would be the point of being a Christian if what wasn't true?
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Christianity is based on absolute TRUTH. So being a Christian means that there is no room for LIES or falsehoods.

Yes people, Christianity is all about TRUTH!!!!!
 
shroomer33

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I would just like to say that I love all you people on this thread. You guys, and at least one gal, make it so much fun! Woohooo.
But now I am going to have a Duvel and watch Tyson.
Peace out playas!!

Keep searching for all that is real and true!!
 
CrackerJax

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FoxCompany426 said:
My point wasn't in the Bible, yet in history itself. All history, at one point and time, was only the view of the one who was retelling the story.
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I think perspectives may get skewed, and that's only natural. The events are usually in synch however. This is where the Bible falls away. Nothing proves the Bible, except, the Bible. Not so with History........ They are not the same.
 
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1st of all, 'evolution' is much more than monkey turning into man. It is dead matter turning into man.
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Even if it was proven that we came from monkeys, there would be no reason to abandon Christ or the Bible. I used to believe that God just worked through evolution. I was a person who believed wholeheartedly in random mutation/natural selection driven evolution, then I became a Christian. I was still an 'evolutionist'. I just thought that God somehow planned our evolution. Through a few more years of studying, I found that random mutation/natural selection driven 'evolution' is totally wrong and doesn't have a shred of proof. I was just as much of a Christian believing in random mutation/natural selection driven 'evolution'. My transformation into believing that all that 'evolution' crap is indeed crap was a scientific one, not a religious one.
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Dude, will you please provide me with some proof of your experience in whatever scientific field you're involved in via this thread or pm?

The theory of evolution is change in a species over time. THAT'S IT. That's part of the reason for the previous request, any person, especially any serious scientists would already know that. It's not in any way ''dead matter turning into man''. That would be a-biogenesis. The valid scientific theory that states certain chemical elements and certain atmospheric conditions gave rise to the very first single celled organisms, also, evidence to back it up. They've actually recreated the conditions in labs and created amino acids that are the basis of RNA, that would be the start of DNA, which would create single celled organisms, synthetic life.

That makes me believe you haven't even studied the basic concept of the theory, which I'd argue is the MAIN reason people do not believe it... because they don't WAN'T to believe it, they choose to avoid the evidence, just like you've been doing. Every post I make you avoid the entire thing, pick one thing out and complain about it, like you'll probably do with this one... So be honest, do you actually understand all the mechanisms involved in the theory of evolution... that natural selection is the complete opposite of ''random''... that it takes millions of years for changes to occur... Or did you just read some propaganda from some Christian website or hear it from the leaders at your church? You say you're educated in science, but I have a really hard time believing that if you don't even know the basic differences between two HUGE theories in two completely different fields of study.
 
Brazko

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shroomer33 said:
Christianity is based on absolute TRUTH. So being a Christian means that there is no room for LIES or falsehoods.

Yes people, Christianity is all about TRUTH!!!!!
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Absolute Truth isn't static, It is Formless, It's Not something that CAn be bottled Up and Held Captive by the Christian Religion....

But indeed it was spoken through Christ...

That Cramped up Room Was part of the Reason for his Krewsufiction was it NOt, allowing room for the Other Guy, spreading Lies and Falsehoods...

Luv U 2 Bro..

I'm through fucking with the PH :-|, Goodnight :peace:
 
shroomer33

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PadawanBater said:
Dude, will you please provide me with some proof of your experience in whatever scientific field you're involved in via this thread or pm?
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I don't know why it really matters, but some of my stuff is here:
http://cms-emu-slicetest.web.cern.ch/cms-emu-slicetest/904/Documentation/

The theory of evolution is change in a species over time. THAT'S IT.
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This is not the Darwinian theory of evolution. Darwin didn't write, "How established species change over time." He wrote a book called, "The Origin of (ALL) Species..."

Textbook Darwinian theory states that random mutations subjected to natural selection will give rise to ALL species.

This is an example of why I HATE the term 'evolution.' The term is a loaded term. What does it mean? That is why I call it random mutation/natural selection driven 'evolution', just to try and make clear what I mean when I say 'evolution.'

Your definition of 'evolution' is much different than mine (and Darwin's). I wouldn't dare deny your definition of 'evolution.' Species clearly change over time. No argument there.
That's part of the reason for the previous request, any person, especially any serious scientists would already know that. It's not in any way ''dead matter turning into man''.
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It is true that Darwin did NOT speculate on the origin of life, except in a letter to some guy in the 1800s. He only had a theory of how established life changed into higher forms through random mutation AND natural selection.

Again, the term 'evolution' is screwing this whole discussion up. To me, 'evolution' also means how life began in some pond with certain compounds and electricity (Miller experiment.)

That would be a-biogenesis. The valid scientific theory that states certain chemical elements and certain atmospheric conditions gave rise to the very first single celled organisms, also, evidence to back it up. They've actually recreated the conditions in labs and created amino acids that are the basis of RNA, that would be the start of DNA, which would create single celled organisms, synthetic life.
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The Miller experiment was one of the things that floored me when I learned about it (my pro Darwinain evolution days). One of the many problems with it is that it doesn't explain the INFORMATION content of DNA. What good are amino acids without DNA (and all the other machines in the cell) to tell it how to create proteins. In order for there to be life, there needs to be INFORMATION. Where did the information come from? Random mutation and natural selection are totally insufficient to explain the information content in DNA, even for the simplest of life.

That makes me believe you haven't even studied the basic concept of the theory, which I'd argue is the MAIN reason people do not believe it... because they don't WAN'T to believe it, they choose to avoid the evidence, just like you've been doing.
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Like I said in the original post, I did believe all this stuff, and it wasn't a problem with my Christianity. So if it wasn't a problem with my Christianity, why would I NOT want to believe it?
Again, my conversion was based on science, not my Christianity.

Every post I make you avoid the entire thing, pick one thing out and complain about it, like you'll probably do with this one... So be honest, do you actually understand all the mechanisms involved in the theory of evolution... that natural selection is the complete opposite of ''random''...
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I totally get it. I am not a researcher in the field though, but you don't need to be a physicist to understand F=ma.
Natural selection selects things that are beneficial to the organism. The Darwinian thought is that these beneficial things result from random mutations. Natural selection is not random, but mutation is.

The way I understand life's evolution, which is not totally Darwinian, is that some random mutations (like the whole peppered moth thing) are actually adaptations from what is already encoded in DNA. These codes just need to be 'acitvated' by external stimuli, such as smog.
Bruce Lipton talks about this kind of stuff.

that it takes millions of years for changes to occur... Or did you just read some propaganda from some Christian website or hear it from the leaders at your church? You say you're educated in science, but I have a really hard time believing that if you don't even know the basic differences between two HUGE theories in two completely different fields of study.
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The leaders at the churches I have been a member of have never talked about such things. As for websites, I don't go such places because most of the time they are quite unscientific and outdated.
I am not one to fall into propaganda. I never have been.


Which two fields? You lost me.


Any more questions???? I hope I addressed your questions, at least somewhat to your satisfaction.
 
CrackerJax

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He is quite trapped by the vortex of his myth......it may be better to just let him dance to the tune playing in his own head.
 
Brazko

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Buddha/Buddhist did & do NOt believe in a Bearded Deity God who is Preoccupied with A Puppet Show, And Yet many do believe in a God concept, Some don't know, and some do not, it lacks importance in their philosophy with emphasis towards the suffering of Humankind....

However, they do believe in gods, Heaven and Hell.... afterlife and rebirth

So go figure
 
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