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PadawanBater

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Froman said:
haha how big is your head gonna get before it pops, its on thing to state how you feel, but you act like your so much better and more knowing then everyone else, worry about yourself then, your just as bad as the people trying to put their religions on some one else :roll: :lol:



haha im done, unsubscribed
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What part of "I want to live my life according to my own terms" don't you understand?

Religion makes people stupid, there is no other way to say it. Stupid to real information, stupid to actual things that save peoples lives...

I don't know you personally, but I have a ton of friends who think just like you. Like I take this stuff way too seriously and it's not that big of a deal, but that's the problem. It is a big deal, the reason nothings changed about it in so long, or it goes so goddamn slow is because there are so many people like you holding up progression, and you sit there and ignorantly enjoy it without even ever realizing the consequences. People die because of the stupid shit people believe.
 
anhedonia

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FoxCompany426 said:
So your saying that everyone who believes in Christianity, or God for that matter, is trying to force you to believe. There may be those people, but that makes up a small percentage. Are you not now debating in the exact same way?


Once again you are speaking of something you don't know.
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LOL! Speaking of something you dont know. Thats hilarious. Nice retort.

A SMALL percentage you say! Once again you are speaking of something you dont know. LOL
 
CrackerJax

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Once again you are speaking of something you don't know.
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Yah, just keep digging yourself further in. :lol:

Jesus was (gasp) a Jew. He wasn't talking to NON Jews..... you don't know the very history of your own belief.

Something you don't know......:roll:
 
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FoxCompany426 said:
I know, I shouldn't have said that. This is what I should have said, "according to my experience, that is a small percentage."
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They have their own lobby, I wouldn't call that small.

Not to mention all their asshat preachers and spokespeople like Robertson, Hovind, Fallwell, etc. all send the same fanatical message about their own personal view of Christianity, and they have millions of people who follow them.

If the normal, private practicing Christians would come out of the woodworks like the rest of us have been and condemn these idiots for poisoning your religion, there'd be a clear distinction between the two, but nobody does that... It's like the retard cousin at a party, you just let him be because it's more trouble to tell him to stop being an idiot than to just leave him alone...

If someone says something stupid or incorrect about your religion, it's your responsibility to correct them, and it's even better if it's public.

This post isn't directly referring to anyone by the way..
 
FoxCompany426

FoxCompany426

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CrackerJax said:
Yah, just keep digging yourself further in. :lol:

Jesus was (gasp) a Jew. He wasn't talking to NON Jews..... you don't know the very history of your own belief.

Something you don't know......:roll:
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Jesus wasn't a Jew (gasp again). Unfortunately, you have now lost all credit. That puts this debate at an end. Thanks for playing.
 
Johnnyorganic

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FoxCompany426 said:
Jesus wasn't a Jew (gasp again). Unfortunately, you have now lost all credit. That puts this debate at an end. Thanks for playing.
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Um, yeah. :roll:

According to the gospels of Matthew and Luke, the lineage of Jesus of Nazareth goes back to King David, and Abraham beyond him.

Someone has lost all credibility all right. But the debate is far from over.
 
CrackerJax

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Was Jesus a Jew? Of course, Jesus was a Jew. He was born of a Jewish mother, in Galilee, a Jewish part of the world. All of his friends, associates, colleagues, disciples, all of them were Jews. He regularly worshipped in Jewish communal worship, what we call synagogues. He preached from Jewish text, from the Bible ( a Jewish text). He celebrated the Jewish festivals. He went on pilgrimage to the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem where he was under the authority of priests.... He lived, was born, lived, died, taught as a Jew. This is obvious to any casual reader of the gospel text. What's striking is not so much that he was a Jew but that the gospels make no pretense that he wasn't. The gospels have no sense yet that Jesus was anything other than a Jew. The gospels don't even have a sense that he came to found a new religion, an idea completely foreign to all the gospel text, and completely foreign to Paul. That is an idea which comes about only later. So, to say that he was a Jew is saying a truism, is simply stating an idea that is so obvious on the face of it, one wonders it even needs to be said. But, of course, it does need to be said because we all know what happens later in the story, where it turns out that Christianity becomes something other than Judaism and as a result, Jesus in retrospect is seen not as a Jew, but as something else, as a founder of Christianity. But, of course, he was a Jew.
 
Brazko

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PadawanBater said:
They have their own lobby, I wouldn't call that small.

Not to mention all their asshat preachers and spokespeople like Robertson, Hovind, Fallwell, etc. all send the same fanatical message about their own personal view of Christianity, and they have millions of people who follow them.

If the normal, private practicing Christians would come out of the woodworks like the rest of us have been and condemn these idiots for poisoning your religion, there'd be a clear distinction between the two, but nobody does that... It's like the retard cousin at a party, you just let him be because it's more trouble to tell him to stop being an idiot than to just leave him alone...

If someone says something stupid or incorrect about your religion, it's your responsibility to correct them, and it's even better if it's public.

This post isn't directly referring to anyone by the way..
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Paddy Cakes; I think this was an excellent post in my opinion, Very true that Christians should speak UP, Just AS I feel Atheist should Speak Up....But Neither Do because each side Feels That their Buddy's Heart and Intentions are in the Right Direction.....However, So Wrong their Projection of Thought may Be

So What Do You Do, Exactly opposite Of What you Said, You Make A Distinction, More so, You identify with the Individual..

An Athiest/Chistian Believer, will Only Sink their Teeth in Deeper when they feel pressure of being attacked from the Other Side, Regardless of how Logical, Reasonable, Technical, Considerate or Inspirational the opposing Arguement is.

I would have done the Same, being Ignorant to any said topic that I felt was Wrong, Simply because I was Ignorant, not Right...

I've found and Came to understand that You must present your opinion/feelings/facts and leave the verbal assaults out and allow whom ever to come to a higher understanding, Themselves and Yes its' Hard, it Ain't Easy, I KNOW...but you in turn become a better Person, and that's about the Only Person you can Change

:peace:


PS. I'm not SAying you Have to Lie down either, I haven't Got that Far Yet :lol:
 
fish601

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Brazko said:
An Athiest/Chistian Believer, will Only Sink their Teeth in Deeper when they feel pressure of being attacked from the Other Side, Regardless of how Logical, Reasonable, Technical, Considerate or Inspirational the opposing Arguement is.


I've found and Came to understand that You must present your opinion/feelings/facts and leave the verbal assaults out and allow whom ever to come to a higher understanding, Themselves and Yes its' Hard, it Ain't Easy, I KNOW...but you in turn become a better Person, and that's about the Only Person you can Change

:peace:


PS. I'm not SAying you Have to Lie down either, I haven't Got that Far Yet :lol:
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I want people to attack my beliefs it will either build my faith if they are wrong or if they are right i will change what i believe.

I am open, I mean if evolution (monkey turning into man) could be proved without a doubt i would have to change my beliefs. If you could prove that jesus didnt exist i would have to change my beliefs. I am searching for the truth and believe i have found it but that will not stop me from being open to other beliefs.
If i am wrong about christianity then i need to see that and find something else, what would be the point of being a christian if it wasnt true?
 
g00sEgg

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fish601 said:
I want people to attack my beliefs it will either build my faith if they are wrong or if they are right i will change what i believe.

I am open, I mean if evolution (monkey turning into man) could be proved without a doubt i would have to change my beliefs. If you could prove that jesus didnt exist i would have to change my beliefs. I am searching for the truth and believe i have found it but that will not stop me from being open to other beliefs.
If i am wrong about christianity then i need to see that and find something else, what would be the point of being a christian if it wasnt true?
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Isn't there a difference between believing in jesus and believing in God?
 
Brazko

Brazko

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fish601 said:
I want people to attack my beliefs it will either build my faith if they are wrong or if they are right i will change what i believe.

I am open, I mean if evolution (monkey turning into man) could be proved without a doubt i would have to change my beliefs. If you could prove that jesus didnt exist i would have to change my beliefs. I am searching for the truth and believe i have found it but that will not stop me from being open to other beliefs.
If i am wrong about christianity then i need to see that and find something else, what would be the point of being a christian if it wasnt true?
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I don't understand, what would be the point of being a Christian if what wasn't true?

Needing people to Attack You isn't going to build you up either!! Matter of fact it will do quite the opposite, but maybe that is what you Need to be able to truly Recieve.


Evolution has doubts you say, but The Christian Religion is Without :lol:, You a Funny Mutha$#@&.

The Way of Christ is w/o Doubt and Yet it is Not the ONly Way
 
FoxCompany426

FoxCompany426

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CrackerJax said:
Was Jesus a Jew? Of course, Jesus was a Jew. He was born of a Jewish mother, in Galilee, a Jewish part of the world. All of his friends, associates, colleagues, disciples, all of them were Jews. He regularly worshipped in Jewish communal worship, what we call synagogues. He preached from Jewish text, from the Bible ( a Jewish text). He celebrated the Jewish festivals. He went on pilgrimage to the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem where he was under the authority of priests.... He lived, was born, lived, died, taught as a Jew. This is obvious to any casual reader of the gospel text. What's striking is not so much that he was a Jew but that the gospels make no pretense that he wasn't. The gospels have no sense yet that Jesus was anything other than a Jew. The gospels don't even have a sense that he came to found a new religion, an idea completely foreign to all the gospel text, and completely foreign to Paul. That is an idea which comes about only later. So, to say that he was a Jew is saying a truism, is simply stating an idea that is so obvious on the face of it, one wonders it even needs to be said. But, of course, it does need to be said because we all know what happens later in the story, where it turns out that Christianity becomes something other than Judaism and as a result, Jesus in retrospect is seen not as a Jew, but as something else, as a founder of Christianity. But, of course, he was a Jew.
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Well, if you're not going to give PBS a credit for that plagiarized post, then I will have to do it myself. Here is a link to where you got it, just in case you forgot.

Was Jesus a Jew?

Jesus' mother Mary was of Jewish and Levitical descent, but, Jesus was God through man. Did you forget about that part?
 
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