Never had this happen..

[ganjaluvr]

Yea, hey wuz good RIU?

hey listen, I have ran into something i have never experienced before.

I germinated just a few seeds. I (for the first time) tried to use the water in a glass
method. Where you have a glass of water..
and you simply put the seeds into the water
until you see any kind of opening.. then
plant into soil.


Well... the first one. That germinated for me... I simply put into the soil like your
suppose to.

Well.. that was 5 days ago. Still have not broken the top of the soil. What you think
is causing it to take this long? I usually see some kind of soil breakage within 3 maybe 4 days at the most.

Well, so I germinated a few more seeds
right? As soon as I seen any seeds that had cracked open... I plant them. This second batch of germinated seeds that im talking about right now.. are only about
2 days old. If same thing happens with this seed... ehh is that a soil problem?

Im using good soil. I'm not a cheapskate
when it comes to growing. (except my lighting). CFL`s all the way..
any help advice good or bad is appreciated.
ya dig?

peace

 

[KaleoXxX]

as for the germing, is the water warm? and kept in a place where it will stay warm (not hot, but warm)? because the seeds will never germ in cold water

as for the germed seeds you planted, relax, they should show their heads sooner or later. is the soil compacted by any chance?

 

[Brick Top]

It is difficult to guess. You may have planted the one bean to deep. You may have damaged the root while planting. The soil temperature might be to low and that may be stunting its growth or may even have killed it. It may have been a weak/immature or just not at all vigorous bean to begin with so it may just be really slow to grow. Depending on your soil there may be some small but hard particle/piece of something right above the seed that has kept it from breaking through the surface. And then tomorrow morning it may be sticking up through the soil and on its way so it is a pure guess on anyone’s part and almost an impossibility that anyone will be able to guess correctly based on what you have said.

 

[KaleoXxX]

brick top, you always have the best answers to any questions. i think i already gave you one, but your getting a rep from me as often as i can

 

[laserbrn]

I personally have NEVER understood germinating the seeds using either the paper towel method or the water method. I germinated my very first seeds every in soil. Just dampen the soil, drop the seed in and BAM, it's off and growing in a week.

When I switched to hydro I just dropped them in moist rockwool cubes and BAM same thing. I've had over the course of my MJ growing career a 100% successful germination rate.

I just don't understand the extra needed movement and risk of damage done while moving a germinated seed around. There doesn't seem to be any benefit to me and I'm not sure I'll ever understand why people do this? Just fascinated with seeing it happen or what?

 

[KaleoXxX]

its not really a risk or anything when your careful and know what your doing

 

[laserbrn]

Why would you have to be careful if there wasn't a risk?

 

[brasmith]

I personally have NEVER understood germinating the seeds using either the paper towel method or the water method. I germinated my very first seeds every in soil. Just dampen the soil, drop the seed in and BAM, it's off and growing in a week.

When I switched to hydro I just dropped them in moist rockwool cubes and BAM same thing. I've had over the course of my MJ growing career a 100% successful germination rate.

I just don't understand the extra needed movement and risk of damage done while moving a germinated seed around. There doesn't seem to be any benefit to me and I'm not sure I'll ever understand why people do this? Just fascinated with seeing it happen or what?

Bravo! I never understood the extra movement/step either. I've always done the samething right into the soil or soil pucks and 1-2 days later a seedling is born. Always had 100% germination success rate with the seedlings growing out of the soil. Simple is better.......

 

[Brick Top]

I personally have NEVER understood germinating the seeds using either the paper towel method or the water method. I germinated my very first seeds every in soil. Just dampen the soil, drop the seed in and BAM, it's off and growing in a week.

When I switched to hydro I just dropped them in moist rockwool cubes and BAM same thing. I've had over the course of my MJ growing career a 100% successful germination rate.

I just don't understand the extra needed movement and risk of damage done while moving a germinated seed around. There doesn't seem to be any benefit to me and I'm not sure I'll ever understand why people do this? Just fascinated with seeing it happen or what?

You are so very correct.

I would agree that germinating in soil is not only a very good way to go but possibly the very best way to go … as long as you use a growing medium that will allow it.

In the past I did germ beans in soil and it worked very well. Uncle Ben swears that you will get more vigorous growth by germing in the soil.
　
I have been unable to do so for some time since I switched to growing in the small chipped pine bark that we use to grow everything in at our nursery.

It will not retain enough surface/near surface moisture for long enough to keep the beans moist enough unless I set up a very slow continual drip system or make a hole/pocket in the pine bark and then fill it with a soil that will retain moisture longer and plant the bean(s) in it. I do not care to do either so I did switched to the paper towel method.
　
Germing in soil is a very wrongly maligned way of germing beans. It eliminates all handling of a popped bean so that eliminates any and all chance for root damage when planting the popped bean and that alone is a real plus. As Uncle Ben stated it does produce more vigorous growth so again that is a real plus.
　
It ain’t a bad way to go gang.

 

[ganjaluvr]

as for the germing, is the water warm? and kept in a place where it will stay warm (not hot, but warm)? because the seeds will never germ in cold water

as for the germed seeds you planted, relax, they should show their heads sooner or later. is the soil compacted by any chance?

ehh.. you know I thought about that too
bro. And.. I very very lightly gently tapped the very top layer of soil with a spoon. But it was
not so tightly done.. that it would be causing any problems I wouldn't think. I don't know right now.

I think im just going to sit it out and wait.
ya dig? Just wait for a few days or even a week.. and see whats happening then.

Warm? Eh, I don't think they are getting cold. But see, I didn't use a towel or napkin in this at all. Seeds went straight from the glass of water.. into my growing medium.
Soil.

Like I said.. I have always used my own
method. Using a damp (not wet) towel.
In a dark place.. and let the taproots bust
on outa their shells ya dig? My house stays at around 74-75`F during the days of summer.

Days of winter I usually keep my crib about
72-78`F. Maybe up to 80`F on really cold days. Gets cold up here damn it..

anyhow, im high and babbling. Thanks for all the input.
ya dig?

peace.

 

[laserbrn]

Patience is really all you got now anyway. There certainly isn't anything else that you can DO at this point. Just keep it a little moist and it should poke it's head up.

 

[brasmith]

Why would you have to be careful if there wasn't a risk?

Laser, you almost use a life pinciple that is similar to mine.

Less steps=less risk...
Prevention is everything...

 

[journey smok3r]

it could be alot things really
maybe next time use the paper towel method(i personally like this way better) did you plant the seedling too deep(only sapose to plant into soil about a finder nail deep)
im not sure but if it were me i would try to take it out of the dirt and try to re germinate it if you can do that?

 

[laserbrn]

im not sure but if it were me i would try to take it out of the dirt and try to re germinate it if you can do that?

Now why would you go DIG UP a seed that you saw germinated in the water? What good would come of it? What would the next be move? Put it back in water? Just leave it alone and see if it comes up. Try to keep it moist.

 

[MrFishy]

Idk . . . wouldn't keeping a fully saturated (soaked) embryo excessively moist once sown slow the seeds progress?
I'm not so sure one needs to wait for the seed to sink AND crack prior to planting . . . once they sink, I've always sown them right away, with all but 100% success.

In four decades, the few seeds I've messed with at this (OP) stage have hermied or been male.
Anyway, just some thoughts. IMO, it's never a good idea to mess with sleeping babies.

 

[ganjaluvr]

---------------------UPDATED August 26th `09---------------------------

I found my problem.... I gently dug around both of the pots. Went to each one..
and gently raked up just really thin layers each time until I could find
where my seed went. I found one of them.. My problem was I planted
both plants just a little too deep into the soil. like 2" at least....

I fixed that. One plant is doing really good...
other seed is right behind this one. Probably
be a few more days before i actually see
the second seed sprout outa the top layer
of the soil. Which the first seed has done.
It looks like (if you know MJ you'll know this word)
a shepherds hook right now.

Etiolated plants have not yet been exposed to light and grow (typically) with a 'shepards crook' shape to protect the cotyledons (or leaves, depending on the case) as they are pushed through the soil (skotomorphogenesis).

Upon exposure to light, phytochromes within the leaves/cotelydons trigger the process of 'de-etiolation'. The 'shepards crook' straightens out (photomorphogenesis) and the plant starts to produce chlorophyll.

It's what they look like generally right when they start breaking the top of
the soil. Ya dig?? Here... here is free information about how to have
a great successful germination all the time. Read below.
Information came from the internet. Editor: Unknown

1. All of the following conditions must be present for seed germination:
a. Temperature
b. Moisture
c. Oxygen

2. The seed starts absorbing water by imbibition. Water swells the seed coat and brings the dormant plant inside the seed back to life.
3. The testa (seed coat) cracks.
4. The ratticle emerges from the seed, and forms into the root.
5. The hypocotyl elongates, pushing the 2 cotyledons above ground. As the cotyledons are pushed above ground, the testa fall off.
6. The plant uses up energy stored in the endosperm as it produces leaves and extends its root structure. The cotyledons (photsynthetic in marijuana) photsynthesize as they emerge, and continue supplying the seedling with energy until they undergo abscision and fall off.
Once the true leaves are formed, photosynthesis becomes the primary energy source, and growth becomes much more rapid.
Note: marijuana seeds are ?dicots? (termed because they have 2 cotyledons).
[Editor?s note: Temperature can have a dramatic effect on the rate of germination.]


This is what I went by... the very first time i tried to grow. Worked for
me then... still works for me now. Therefore; I will no longer use
the 'water in the glass' method. Just my personal preferences ya dig?

Hope that helped any new ppl that may not know anything about
the germination process. Or how to germinate a seed. There ya go.
Ya dig? (stoned)

peace.

 

[ganjaluvr]

it could be alot things really
maybe next time use the paper towel method(i personally like this way better) did you plant the seedling too deep(only sapose to plant into soil about a finder nail deep)
im not sure but if it were me i would try to take it out of the dirt and try to re germinate it if you can do that?

Yea man.. thats what I ended up doing.

Lol... check out my new post.

thanks for your advice. I would have done
it either way.. but its good to know that
there is someone out there that actually
thinks kinda like I do apparently. Nice.
ya dig?

but yea.. check out my latest post
in my thread. Peace man. and Thnks
again.

peace.