Sure Shot
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I guess the Koreans are not important like the Hebrews, my bad.
Science Over Faith?
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Anonymiss1969
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Because they are unbelievers and must be stricken down! Right? God doesn't like people that worship other gods. The Egyptians got fucked over, according to that story book christianity is based on, so whats up with the lack of punishment by god in a time when the religious fanatics could use it to convert others after seeing the horrible plagues that one will be afflicted with?
Anonymiss1969
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No one needs to disprove anything that has never been proven in the first place.
You couldn't go to the press and say, "I can fly! If you don't believe me, then disprove me," which is what you're saying when you want others to disprove christianity.
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PadawanBater
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...and that's when I would have walked out of that 'science' classroom...
Religion is so clearly a bunch of false promises, maybe I shouldn't be believing in mankind as much as I do if 85% of the rest of the population believes in magic..
Anonymiss1969
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It was more of a "one on one" convo we were having... I don't know if he was serious or not, though, because he changed grades as I did from 6th to 10th so I had him every year and he was also always telling me that the earth was flat so I would try to disprove him.
Cool guy. He may be one of those foolish people like fish, though.
Brazko
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I'm Sorry, but, You don't Know this..
Anonymiss1969
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Just as I explained with the "I can fly" post, you'll have to prove that you've experienced a god before I have to disprove it.I'm Sorry, but, You don't Know this..
Did you know I can become invisible at will and read your thoughts? Disprove me and I'll agree with you that I can't.
Doesn't that sound kinda dumb? That's the kind of logic your using to back your beliefs.
Brazko
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No, I'll keep it simple for You,
You don't Know
and I'll prove you can't read my thoughts,
What will my next post be, I'll give you 24hrs, clocks Ticking
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PadawanBater
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Brazko, will you at least acknowledge the point being made?
- you state your religion is true, even the definition of truth, that it is fact... the burden of proof is on you. There isn't anything proving any religion one way or the other. Atheists sit in the default position, that is disbelief. Until you show me something proving your religion or your God exists, there is no need for anyone to disprove it, as that's an illogical task. It would be like you asking me to pick the blue object out of a group of red ones...
Do you understand the atheists position?
Is it up to us to disprove unicorns, fairies, wizards...ect? I havn't been everywhere in the universe, so who knows if they're out there? How can I say they do not exist if I havn't been everywhere there is to be? Same standard of evidence goes for any god. You're the one making the claim, I'm not out there starting off by saying "God does not exist", you're saying "God does exist", what I'm saying is "prove it" - the burden of proof lies with you my friend.
Anonymiss1969
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Of course I can't read your mind over the internet. Duh. Everyone knows that. You have yet to disprove that I can become invisible or that I can read thoughts.
Edit: Apparently Brazko doesn't understand that I'm trying to sound as stupid as every other person who uses this logic (ie people who argue for religion). Its obvious that I can't read thoughts or turn invisible, just like its obvious that there is no god.
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PadawanBater
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Good analogy.
Brazko, do you see where we are coming from? Why the reasoning you used doesn't make sense?
If you don't understand it, let us know. I don't understand a lot of shit, there's nothing wrong with that. This isn't a 'holier than thou' kind of situation, it's one guy.. two guys with A1969, seriously trying to explain these ideas.
Your point was that atheists do not know if God exists for sure, there for it's illogical for any atheist to say "God does not exist" - something I pretty much agree with, and is why I walk the agnostic atheist line. My position is "I havn't seen anything to conclusively say that God, let alone any of the God's mankind has come up with over the past few thousand years, exists. So based on that, I can conclude that any real, tangible, intervening kind of God (the kind ALL the scriptures in every religious document talks about) does not exist, as there has never been any kind of intervention by said God, ever, not once.
What evidence do you have to support your religion, Brazko? Why don't we start with that first?
IndicaFatnHeavy
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im atheist, but my mom is very spiritual and religious..... the only times ive ever thought ive connected with god/ even dead relatives was when i was on psychedelic drugs... acid and shrooms.
Brazko
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Apparently Huh,
..Wrong!!Here's the answer; I don't Know what my next post would be, the answer for you was, You don't know...Instead you decided to dig your hole deeper, when the answer if not obvious, was staring you all the time right in your Face. But you chose to reason out what the answer was, logically for it to make sense to you within the limitations of your thought process.... You chose this path, I simply said that You don't Know, but you was b'littled by your own arrogance to prove me one way or, the other, when there was nothing to prove except admitting the one thing you are so proud of, You don't Know
This is Why (ie people like you/christians alike) are cut from the same Clothe...
And there is no need for You to prove you're Will of iinvisibilty, I can make you disappear at will, Vamoose son of a B'
nothing personal, it just sounded good
Vamoose
To acknowledge the point being made would be faulty, because the statement was faulty, although I Understand..
My religion is not one of personal belonging, but part of my being, Part of who I AM, just like my buddha nature, Pagan Nature, Rhasta nature, My Atheist nature(b/c I don't know 4 fact, but doesn't mean I AM not a witness) ad infinitum with every thing this Universe has Made me..
I stated somewhere, of course, that Chirst is the Truth and the Way, NOt the only Way...Show me where his words are to be faulty, un True.... Son of the Father Truuuuuuuuue
The burden of proof is On me to prove to you something that I don't believe, however, you choose to disbelieve in it...
So instead of accepting that all Christians, or people from any faith that speak of a God, don't infer Him to be some Sky God sitting above eating nachos in front of his Magnificent 10galaxy wide Solar reduction T.V. Set, that we have to prove what you wish to disprove, instead of seeking the answer as to why, so many don't believe in this Deity, but yet say God is Real.....
Everything that is needed to prove God is Real, have already been presented to you, in Science/ Religions around the World, it is up to you to put away your Childish ways
I don't claim unicorns, wizards, Godzilla, fairies, Santa Claus and what not, In a unspoken general sense of what we read in books and see in movies...But they do have their place in some reality, just not the one you wish them proven to be, and yes, You are right who know's somewhere out there maybe, I don't know...
So I can only be a lighthouse to show you the Way, if you want Proof, follow the Light, and when you get there you decide the existence of a God or NOt, it is not my Burden to bare,
Nighty Night Gurls/Fellas
Brazko
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Sorry I was typing a response, and No that was not a good Analogy, A good shake and Wiggle, but Not a Good Analogy
and I have NO evidence to Support Your Belief
Goodnight, Catch You on the flip side
Anonymiss1969
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I really can't take your posts seriously when you use "was" instead of "were". You kind of discredit yourself....but you was b'littled by your own arrogance to prove me one way or....
What the fuck does shake and wiggle mean?Sorry I was typing a response, and No that was not a good Analogy, A good shake and Wiggle, but Not a Good Analogy
and I have NO evidence to Support Your Belief
Goodnight, Catch You on the flip side
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PadawanBater
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Sorry I was typing a response, and No that was not a good Analogy, A good shake and Wiggle, but Not a Good Analogy
and I have NO evidence to Support Your Belief
Goodnight, Catch You on the flip side
You have no evidence to support my 'disbelief'? - well, ok, that isn't what I asked for.
I don't 'disbelieve' in anything.. that really doesn't make much sense to me.. how would one 'disbelieve' in something? You make it seem like I'm believing the absense of something with no proof because, well... I already believe it does not exist, how would I provide evidence or proof of something not existing? Show you an empty box and say "see, I told you that thing doesn't exist!"... rofl!
I assumed you were a Christian, from reading through a few pages of the thread, maybe that was wrong, correct me if it was. From that, what I was saying was that there is absolutely no way for the biblical God, the Christian God, Jesus Christ, etc.. to have existed the way Christianity and the bible lays it out.
Brazko
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You lost KomPreHintion by me use of Was R Were Improperly, OK, I'm Discredited
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- Etymology: Middle English, from Old English sceacan; akin to Old Norse skaka to shake
- Date: before 12th century
2 : to vibrate especially as the result of a blow or shock
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Ok, if that is what you Believe....that sits well with me Too.... Same Clothe, different Dye
NO assumptions, I'm a Christian
Look at a tree
hanimmal
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Not at all. I actually take comfort in the reality of our world. Energy cannot be destroyed only changed. When I die my body is going to decompose and become apart of whatever feeds off of it, plants, animals , whatever. And eventually when the sun blows up or our solar system is ripped apart by colliding with another, we will all become part of that. So in reality we will always be a part of eachother and everything. There is room for God, just not the bibles definition of it.
Gravity is a theory too by the way.
Evolution does not mean that the species has to change. Or else there would not be but a few different types of animals. The reason that you find living fossils is that they have survived the test of time. If a species dies out it is because it could not, but the family members that have evolved may have.
There is evolution everywhere. You can look at plants, animals, bugs, everything really and see it if you decide not to box yourself in.
The DNA of almost all animals is about 98% the same. The basic building blocks for everything is there, it is just how the pieces are used to define how we develop.
According to christian sites you are wrong.
"About one out of every three scientists in the United States professed believing in God, a recent survey found." http://www.christianpost.com/article/20090716/survey-one-third-of-scientists-believe-in-god/index.html
But that being said, not believing in god is not the same as not believing the Bible.
The natural state is not believing in the bible. We are not born thinking about verses and the ten comandments. It is taught to us. If we were born in a different part of the world, something else would have been used to teach us religion. Aetheism is not a belief. It is just the natural state. People have to be convinced that there is something else like christianity.
Just like History. There may not have actually been an Abe Lincoln. Because I have never seen him. If I didn't read about him in books, see his pic on money, watch movies, ect I would never have even thought of him. But at least with him there are many things that back up the story other than people just telling us that angels whispered it to them.
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guitarabuser
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Check out "Genesis and the Big Bang". Written by Gerald Schroeder, an MIT physicist. The gist of it is that Big Bang and Creation are one and the same. The universe was "created" with the big bang. Timelines match up to the six days in the Bible when relativity is accounted for.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sicqKbFhcq8http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sicqKbFhcq8