trapper
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the new strains cant last long,if they did seed makers and sellers would be out of business.their has to be a hot new clone only to capitalize on.
Stable Genetics?
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LAX Skunky BwS
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Tru that .. i jus got some Bubble Gum from them
StreetRider
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A challenge to all breaders. If any of your strains are really that "Futer" bomb, then stablalize it, tweak it, and gbe known for that strain. Don't go out with a bang, live to become a historical name in the game. One off strains impress the here and now, true artwork lives on.
The Warlord
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we are standing on the shoulders of giants.........Don't mess it up. Thats the jist right?
StreetRider
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Yep. Let's make sure that our grand kids can't even smoke because it is so strong it puts you in a a coma. And chasing strains is a good way to end up with nothing. Likew it was stated, once genes are lost, they are lost.
There are all of these great crosses out there, and I would hate to see that true super plant go a way.
There are all of these great crosses out there, and I would hate to see that true super plant go a way.
HHF
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To first create anything new a breeder would need to source, select and stabilise from within landrace, heirloom or other lines. Breeders do not do this kind of work nowadays as a rule. Its simply too much work, and in addition the moment you release a new ''breeding'' stock, such as a true, unique IBL it will be hacked and sold by others in minutes.
Attached is a pic of our TW line, IBL, F9plus. When we finally completed the work the line was for sale in 3 breeders shop windows within just a few months. Heck, even before from seeds we had sent to friends to test. It is very hard to do real useful work in that environment.
In addition, there is now the huge female seed market, which means there needs to be no breeding done at all. Simply grab the latest hottest clone and reverse it..
It is terrible, there is no progression and there are very very few actual plant breeders around. There are lots of Cannabis seed makers and marketeer's. Very good at it they are too!
It is a great shame, the craftsmen of today care not about the genepool or creating new worthwhile plant lines. Not all are the same, there are some around that are true plantsmen and not followers of these fashions, trying to preserve and create useful genetics for the future. But it is almost impossible to survive doing so.
Photo is one of our TW IBL line, like i say, this one hacked and for sale before we even had a chance to finish the work. We wanted to create a stable genetic line of TW, we feel its a important genetic to preserve and share. Like i say, its hard, not impossible but its much, much easier to cross to in fashion strains for sure.
Interestingly, lol, it appears the pollen chuckers cant really work with anything other than hybrid Sativas though, maybe not the skills to grow much other than clusterfucked Cannabis. So, do not worry to much about the 'building blocks' like pure Colombians and so forth, they are still there and shared, only real committed plantspeople appear to want to ''go there'' so maybe there is some hope for the future and the genepool.
Peace, HHF
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StreetRider
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Forgive my ignorance... Is HHF your breeding name? I respect the work and would concider your strains for use, as it should be rewarded.
HHF
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Hi Streetrider,
Actually, only dropped by looking for someone. HHF is not our breeding company, I will PM you the details, not my style to Spam.
Cool thread, and nice to see others see what is occurring.
Peace, HHF
StreetRider
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Thank you for respecting the thread. Please stop by more often and share your knowledge. It's really great to see a breeder try and do it right.
Allow me to self spam... I looked at some of their strains and am looking forward to giving a couple a try. Once I get it together, order, and all I will post and let everyone know the experience.
Allow me to self spam... I looked at some of their strains and am looking forward to giving a couple a try. Once I get it together, order, and all I will post and let everyone know the experience.
trapper
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i think a lot of people see whats going on,they know HT is a scam and you gotta kiss their ass to put you in.any seeds over 50 buck for crossing hybrids is insane,i dont mind canacopia or beano.they charge 35 bucks for matching hybrids.And thats all it should be,but its all about the promoters,they are on top of every game,promoters have been around for ever.we need an einstien,a guy who loved his work and never cashed his cheques,im not saying no one can make money,im just sick and tired of the same hyped stuff being bred with the old hyped stuff,and sold for more then it should.i can count on 1 hand the real breeders,sam the skunk man,DJ short,steve at spice of life,chimera,siman and shantibaba and dr,atomic,simon and luc.i may of missed a few,but the rest are pollen chuckers,nothing more.stressing a clone and then sell the seeds for a 100 for 4 is not breeding.but it will have to get worse before it gets better,thats just the nature of the beast.
trapper
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that trainwreck looks nice,i thought their was only one trainwreck the arcata clone,but i read were tga uses another trainwreck cutting because the arcata cutting was to bi-sexual.so is their many types of the trainwreck clone.i dont know anything about it except the mythical story i made up on rollitup.but i assumed it was a clone only.so which trainwreck yours the arcata or the one tga uses.
StreetRider
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The wreck that Cannibiseye has is a IBL. Independent Blood Line. They recreated the strain. It looks like they did their work thou. Not just a one off seed, they have been growing and tweaking it for at least 7 generations. They admit that it is not stable down to one pheno, but the ones that it does express sound nice on their own right. I plan on trying that. Thier Soul Fruit sound nice as well.
trapper
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so its called wreck,it is not the train wreck is that correct.and do you know how many differant clones types of trainwreck their is,i thought their was one untill i read tga used a differant trainwreck cutting,not that i put much stock in the elite cuttings and their mythical history.
ok so whitch beeders and what seed banks have the stable strain and as potent as they say the are? after 35 year's of buying and smoking i have just started growning my own tierd of paying for mid grade smoke at best so i need to know where to buy seeds at for U.S IF THIS IS JUMPING YOUR THREAD I AM VERVY SORRY BUT YOU GUYS SEEM TO KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT!!! [i have bought from nirvana and a place called ontario seed bank i found in high times]
thanks for replys i just need some good persinal smoke
thanks for replys i just need some good persinal smoke
StreetRider
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Yes, they are honest in the fact that they do not call it Train Wreck. They give all credit to Train Wreck, and just went out to try and create their own. I do give them credit in that they did not just grab someone elses and sell it. It seems like they still have the breeder mentality. Once again, I have not yet ordered from them, just going by reading the articles and looking at the specs.
I can respect a breeder that lays the cards on the table. I hate when they try to get a "God" complex and just act like they crossed it so it must be good. Good breeding takes time and space. How many of use have the room to grow dozens if not hundreds of the same strain looking for the best of this or the most of that?
I can respect a breeder that lays the cards on the table. I hate when they try to get a "God" complex and just act like they crossed it so it must be good. Good breeding takes time and space. How many of use have the room to grow dozens if not hundreds of the same strain looking for the best of this or the most of that?
omkara
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It's good to see we have some people that really have love for the plant.
I've been growing off and on for awhile and I've always been interested in breeding but I didn't feel it was something
to just jump into because you want to sell seeds. You need to have a stable environment, space to grow out a lot of plants and good genetics and more importantly patience.
I'm not sure if someone has started a thread on proper breeding techniques in tutorial form so more people that are interested in true breeding can contribute
high quality strains like the masters.
Money is really ruining every art form and culture on earth, it only takes a few dedicated people to make sure we keep some integrity in this community.
OM
I've been growing off and on for awhile and I've always been interested in breeding but I didn't feel it was something
to just jump into because you want to sell seeds. You need to have a stable environment, space to grow out a lot of plants and good genetics and more importantly patience.
I'm not sure if someone has started a thread on proper breeding techniques in tutorial form so more people that are interested in true breeding can contribute
high quality strains like the masters.
Money is really ruining every art form and culture on earth, it only takes a few dedicated people to make sure we keep some integrity in this community.
OM
trapper
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ive only used kindseed.com and hempdepot. and everything i orderd from them and grew,i liked,it was all grade b+ weed.you really cant go wrong with anything they carry.maybe some of kc at kindseed but i never grew any so cant say.and dont be scared of low prices,it doesnt mean it wont be good.but read through the forums on here,you will find what you want in no time.good luck.