JigFresh's Grow #2 : Vertical Scrog - closet diy dwc - 650w - Headband + Casey Jones

[jigfresh]

One last thing. They aren't getting rich off me buying Zone. It only calls for 1mL/ gal.

So I am on my 3rd grow now... I bought 1 liter of Zone back in Jan 09... I have almost 2/3 of the bottle left. It only cost me $20. So I would say maybe $3 - 4 a grow. And that was with my 28 gal tank. This stuff will last forever.

I don't want it to seem like I'm bashing h2o2... or the suggestion. Totally not the aim, just trying to put my point of view out there as it's pretty well documented what most think of h2o2. I am also not saying I'm right.

Thanks jess.

 

[bigjesse1922]

Oh no prob!

I just remember you having some, as you called it I believe, "nasty roots" after your first grow..

Maybe the negative effects (and they are there) of h2o2 could be out-weighed by the benefits, however?

Anyways, doesn't hurt nothing to discuss it, as I know you agree

 

[jigfresh]

Oh no prob!

I just remember you having some, as you called it I believe, "nasty roots" after your first grow..

Maybe the negative effects (and they are there) of h2o2 could be out-weighed by the benefits, however?

Anyways, doesn't hurt nothing to discuss it, as I know you agree

I very much agree discussion is good... especially when it is with a friend.

Excellent point about positives outweighing negatives. Definitely a balance there.

I did have some nasty roots first grow. I attribute that to 2 things. 1: I'm pretty sure I had no bubbles for almost 3 weeks. So basically there was just stagnant water sitting in there. 2: Using a lot of molasses in my tank. I'm not sure if anyone else has experienced this. I know not many have made the mistake of putting molasses in a dwc, so I'm not sure what it did other than block up my airstones. And a possible 3 is that the gravity adds some weirdness to the roots (i have no idea on this, just thowing it out there because gravity seems like wild stuff).

My last grow's roots were much better. I'm pretty sure they were mostly white with a little bit of yellow-ish to them. No molasses this time... and no lapse in bubbles (thankfully).

The longer this conversation goes on the stronger the feeling is. The feeling that in a few months I will say the following: " Damn jesse... I wish I would have listened to you when you said..."

Sometimes I learn the hard way.

Here's some pics. The first one is of te first grow (NASTY!!!). The 2nd and 3rd are from my Purple Kush grow:

 

[bigjesse1922]

Well let me offer you this advice:

1. The roots are a direct reflection of plant health, IMO. If your roots aren't optimally happy, then your plants are under preforming. For us that means less yield and/or resin production/potency, fragrance, taste, etc...

2. PM the Gypsy. He swears by h2o2 and maybe he can add to this discussion.

 

[jigfresh]

You know what's both funny and awesome... that between you, me, and gypsy we probably avereage less than a year growing experience each.... and we grow some pretty tasty nugs. Imagine when we're not noobs, haha.

 

[bigjesse1922]

You know what's both funny and awesome... that between you, me, and gypsy we probably avereage less than a year growing experience each.... and we grow some pretty tasty nugs. Imagine when we're not noobs, haha.

True that! It will be a year for me in November!

I know Gypsy is over a year, but I don't think you are yet...so I would agree with your estimate!

One thing though, while Gypsy hasn't been doing it THAT long, in the relative sense, he has been directly in the mind and a student of Al B Fuct.

And he KNOWS HIS SHIT. I have read all of his threads, even though he does hydro and I do soil. There is a lot of info there. I can link you in interested, or just google "al b fuct, rollitup.org" and you will find what you are looking for.

If Al B is Socrates, Gypsy is Plato IMO.

 

[mikejones420ish]

I was half reading the thread so i apologize if this has been stated or is of no help or completely off subject. Anyways it might help. So have you guys heard of hygrozyme? This stuff seems to be some amazing stuff. Cleans the growing medium, roots and does a bunch of other nice crap. I've been using it and its great no salt build up or nute lock problems. I plan on using it for the flush also. Definitely will clear up that nasty root problems.

 

[bigjesse1922]

I was half reading the thread so i apologize if this has been stated or is of no help or completely off subject. Anyways it might help. So have you guys heard of hygrozyme? This stuff seems to be some amazing stuff. Cleans the growing medium, roots and does a bunch of other nice crap. I've been using it and its great no salt build up or nute lock problems. I plan on using it for the flush also. Definitely will clear up that nasty root problems.

Actually I have heard of it. The guys at my local hydro shop are big on it, swear they all use it.

Whether it works or not, I would defer to you, as I have no direct experience.

I do know they claim it is highly effective at improving root health by cleansing the rez.

But they love to upsell me, so I am naturally skeptical of their take.

Keep us posted (if you don't mind me saying, Jig) on your progress with it. I would be interested to know if you did a grow without it, then, using the same system (at least for the most part) did another grow with it and saw a difference?

 

[jigfresh]

I was half reading the thread so i apologize if this has been stated or is of no help or completely off subject. Anyways it might help. So have you guys heard of hygrozyme? This stuff seems to be some amazing stuff. Cleans the growing medium, roots and does a bunch of other nice crap. I've been using it and its great no salt build up or nute lock problems. I plan on using it for the flush also. Definitely will clear up that nasty root problems.

What up mike jones... nice to have you along. I have read great things about hygrozyme. The reason I'm not going in that direction is that I would like to dial in all the things I've been using since I started. Once I figure that out I will try to branch out to beneficial bacteria. I hope that makes sense.

Anyone else use the stuff?

I hope you don't mind me puttng you out here.... but just for everyones info I'm totally jakcing mikejones' style. He's growing Casey Jones and Sour Grape.... I'm just being a copy cat.

mj's SG at 30 days flower


mj's CJ at day 31


That one CJ branch (on the right) is just insane... what it is like 8 feet tall.

 

[GypsyBush]

In the beginning... in a hotel room far far away...

I used to use one nute... and h2o2...

then I could not get h2o2..

so I went crazy...

I like healthy roots... so I wanted keep AVOIDING problems... trying to stay ahead of things...

I used beneficial bacteria... I used Hygrozyme.. I used solubles... I spent a TON of cash and time trying to find something to keep my plants healthy and my res happy...

Well guess what.. after about 6 months of DICKING around... I found h2o2 again..

SOOOooo.. I am back to my ONE nute and h2o2...

These girls were vegged (with Grow Juice) and are flowering (with bloom juice) and H2O2...

I think they kinda speak for themselves...

But you guys are right.. h2o2 is an indiscriminate killer....

I wish I could find Al's exact quote...

but.."In my op, there's me and my Cannabis plants.. nothing else.." or... " I grow POT, not bacteria.."

and although it is a bit of an exaggeration, I like growing ONLY plants...

Sure there will always be a few survivors.. but not enough to bother my plants...

and by staying AWAY from organic ferts... I make sure that I need no bacteria to break it down for the plant...

The plants can actually use the stuff in the fert without the need of it being "processed" by a bacteria.....

..

Oh and Hygrozyme is good if you have a healthy environment...

Enzymes are created by the bacteria to break down organic matter, and feed the bacteria,,,

Awesome if you have a res colonized with good guys...

but super feeding will happen even if you have the bad guys too.. and then they become super bad guys on steroids...

BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU PUT IN YOU RES...

So yeah... one nute and h2o2... how they look starting week 4???

 

[bigbrew]

What up mike jones... nice to have you along. I have read great things about hygrozyme. The reason I'm not going in that direction is that I would like to dial in all the things I've been using since I started. Once I figure that out I will try to branch out to beneficial bacteria. I hope that makes sense.

Anyone else use the stuff?

Jig,

Nice work here, Ive looked through you last journal and you are doing great.

Just FYI Hygrozyme is not a beneficial bacteria. It is an enzyme. And it is completely compatible with h202 so you can use both and have sterling roots. Just thought Id throw that out there. Also it will eat dead roots lying around in the root mass, which can be a big cause of root rot.

Peace.

 

[GypsyBush]

Hygrozyme will get rid of organic matter by turning it into bacteria food...

H2O2 will do it by OXYDIZING ("rusting") away any organisms it meets...

hell h2o2 will EAT RIGHT THROUGH YOUR HAND...

So yeah.. if you are using Hygrozyme.. it's to feed the bacteria..

and if you use h2o2.. it's to KILL the bacteria...

So using both seems as pointless as feeding dead bacteria... or buying sushi for Jimmy Hendrix...

but that is just my opinion... well.. based on research and actual use of the stuff...

but still just what I think...

 

[jigfresh]

or buying sushi for Jimmy Hendrix...

That is really funny.

Thanks a lot for the input. It's hard to argue with your trees about anything and stand a chance at winning.

Question: So this is very hypothetical because you would need two rotating tanks to make it work. Also assuming the bit from the dm guy is somewhat correct. I just wonder what you think. The part where the DM guy mentions adding h2o2 to water for 24-36 hours... if you changed water in your rez, added h202, let it breakdown (i guess using another rez during this time)... then added your hygrozyme, would you imainge the hygrozyme to be as beneficial as normal... or still being made somewhat ineffective?

And a video for your thoughts:
[youtube]aPiavUAIuiE[/youtube]

 

[NewGrowth]

Looks great man! I've been following just lurking . . .
Are you just going to train your plants up the screen?

 

[GypsyBush]

That is really funny.

Thanks a lot for the input. It's hard to argue with your trees about anything and stand a chance at winning.

Thanks Bro...

But it's not about winning...

It's about economy and efficiency...

About how we can ALL produce the BEST smoke in the World at the LOWEST COST POSSIBLE...

Question: So this is very hypothetical because you would need two rotating tanks to make it work. Also assuming the bit from the dm guy is somewhat correct. I just wonder what you think. The part where the DM guy mentions adding h2o2 to water for 24-36 hours... if you changed water in your rez, added h202, let it breakdown (i guess using another rez during this time)... then added your hygrozyme, would you imainge the hygrozyme to be as beneficial as normal... or still being made somewhat ineffective?

h2o2 will break down into O and H2O...

The oxygen molecule will attach itself and literally corrode pretty much anything...

and the H2O will just be water in your res...

The amount of time that has to pass to render the h2o2 inert depends on the concentration...

So it's hard to say...

I kinda look at it like this...

Either you depend on organisms to feed your plants... or you don't... it's a choice...

If you have organisms that you depend on... h2o2 is BAD cause it will kill everyone... and you shouldn't kill the folks you depend on...

But if you DO NOT depend on critters... h2o2 is GREAT because it gets rid of everyone... no free loaders...lol... no parties.. and most imprtant NO DISEASES....

I use LOTS of h2o2... 1ml/L of 50% grade....

I like when my res looks like it's filled with SPRITE or CLUB SODA...

Bubbles everywhere...

About day 3 it all starts to dissipate... so I add more...

...

So if you use any additives or ferts that are organic... even organic mediums like Rapid Rooter Plugs and Coco... h2o2 will actually work against you...

Of course that will always be those to come and say that if you use just a little bit it wont harm anything..

But that's like asking John Rambo to go over there and kill them just a little bit... pointless or useless.. wasteful at best...

If you are Organic.. use the beneficial bacteria.. super feed them with enzymes if you wish...

but for me..?

Simple is good... one nute and h2o2... a happy story...

And a video for your thoughts:
[youtube]aPiavUAIuiE[/youtube]

I can't wait to see it all full bro...

Just keep on trucking and you will be kicking ass and taking names in no time at all...

This looks AWESOME...

 

[GypsyBush]

NG will set me straight if I'm wrong...

 

[NewGrowth]

NG will set me straight if I'm wrong...

Gypsy knows what he is talking about. I'm kinda digging a non-sterile reservoir lately. h2o2 is a killer though and will keep just about any reservoir beautifully clean.

 

[damnbigbudz]

omg this is amazing. I am about to start my 3 rd ever grow (the first two were far from awesome) and this is a treasure trove of knowledge. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

 

[robotninja]

New closet looks badass, now fill those screens! hehe

 

[mikejones420ish]

What up Jig? Just started using the Hygrozyme almost done with the grow. It seems to be working out well but i also have had a clean environment. I use a little Hygro in the beginning when i transplant to new soil and after every 4 to 5 feedings(soil). I have a few buddies that have been using it and swear by it. Your supposed to be able to use this to sterilize certain grow mediums also. Hey Jig I'll have to post some new photos of the ladies on that other post next day or two. Have you seen OCT High Times it has the CJ and Sour Grapes in it. SWEET.