AsianKatie's First Grow (Indoor)

[charlesiii]

Looks like the same problem I had. I'm telling you that you need Cal/mag to grow hydro with fox farm and r/o or distilled water. Tap water is unbearably hard in my area so I had to use distilled water.

My plants looked the same, couldn't find a solution for the life of me. Killed my last grow and did alot of research, and this time when the problem showed it's ugly face I gave em some ca/mg and it stopped the spreading; new lush growth began about three hours after the initial dosage, this stuff works fast!
Look up the thread kp gets her feet wet, she has the same problem, it's not well documented but it was there. I had the same exact problem and the solution was cal/mag. It starts with dark green or discolored patches that turn yellow or brown. The leaves begin to dry and whiter. At first I thought it was a humidity problem, mine was at 30%, changed it to 50%, didn't help.
I don't use a ppm wand either, this is hard but with hydro the plants show signs of over/under nuting pretty fast. It's these strange anomolies like ca deficiencies that will bury your grow without a ppm meter. Watch your babies closely, multiple times a day. Just spend some time admiring their color, give them some of your co2 enriched breath.

Good luck, by the way I didn't really explain cal/mag properly it's got Nitrogen,Calcium, Magnesium and Iron. Pretty sure those are the most common deficiencies in hydro so it's like training wheels.

P.S. to get your approximate starting ppm apply the same math as the dosing. i.e. if at full strength the ppm is 1200 and you used 1/4th ff, just take 1/4th of the starting ppm (1200) and you get your actual 300.

Like I said i'm a newbie but also an educated college graduate.

 

[asiankatie]

Looks like the same problem I had. I'm telling you that you need Cal/mag to grow hydro with fox farm and r/o or distilled water. Tap water is unbearably hard in my area so I had to use distilled water.

My plants looked the same, couldn't find a solution for the life of me. Killed my last grow and did alot of research, and this time when the problem showed it's ugly face I gave em some ca/mg and it stopped the spreading; new lush growth began about three hours after the initial dosage, this stuff works fast!
Look up the thread kp gets her feet wet, she has the same problem, it's not well documented but it was there. I had the same exact problem and the solution was cal/mag. It starts with dark green or discolored patches that turn yellow or brown. The leaves begin to dry and whiter. At first I thought it was a humidity problem, mine was at 30%, changed it to 50%, didn't help.
I don't use a ppm wand either, this is hard but with hydro the plants show signs of over/under nuting pretty fast. It's these strange anomolies like ca deficiencies that will bury your grow without a ppm meter. Watch your babies closely, multiple times a day. Just spend some time admiring their color, give them some of your co2 enriched breath.

Good luck, by the way I didn't really explain cal/mag properly it's got Nitrogen,Calcium, Magnesium and Iron. Pretty sure those are the most common deficiencies in hydro so it's like training wheels.

P.S. to get your approximate starting ppm apply the same math as the dosing. i.e. if at full strength the ppm is 1200 and you used 1/4th ff, just take 1/4th of the starting ppm (1200) and you get your actual 300.

Like I said i'm a newbie but also an educated college graduate.

okay then i'll go get calcium and magnesium tomorrow. how much should i add?

 

[asiankatie]

Without a ppm meter you can merely speculate whats going on, the same with a good ppm meter. I'm sorry but i just don't trust the drops.

kk well pH meter is on the back burner for the moment..

ppm meter is shipped and on its way.

getting some calcium magnesium tomorrow.

Gpys Flora Nova is on its way

gotta get some grotek according to filthyfletch

@_@ kk

 

[Gygax1974]

Get Botanicare's Cal Mag it's made for what you are doing. A lot of distilled water is lacking in Cal and Mag. It's something you need anyways...unfortunately. It will eliminate the Cal Mag problems...which in my experience happened a lot to me until I added Cal Mag to the mix.....and you can add anywhere from 1 tsp. to 2 per gallon, I would recommend 1 tsp per gallon for now. Also this is something you would add everytime you do a res. change...it will save you a ton of troubles Katie. I'm sorry if I'm repeating anyone but I'm tired and I just glanced at the posts.

Link for Cal Mag
Botanicare : Product Overview : Nutrients

Also Katie if money is tight you could get away with the smallest size for now...it's 9.95.

Good luck

 

[charlesiii]

It's a done deal, all I ask for in return is that your burn one for me j/k. Cheers

 

[We1]

Your very beautiful and I am very proud of you

 

[skunkushybrid]

Should I just wait another day or so and see what happens? with the water change and the less nutes? or should i go out and buy Ca + Mag supplement?

Day 15 for survivor.. not lookin too good.

Here we have everybody:

There's nothing much wrong with them in this pic... just suffering a little def'.

What's your ph at in the res?

Also what is your container made of? If it's UPVC, this can leak chemicals into your res'... which can slowly kill your plants. It happened to me once, I managed to bring them through to harvest but at only around a third of the weight I should have had. PVC is fine.

Do you have your truncheon yet? EC is more important, as a good friend once pointed out to me, the ppm is not so much of a surety.

Also, how big is your container? As in how many litres/gallons?

 

[skunkushybrid]

The def' is not that bad... I wouldn't be worried. As a starter grower, you're better suffering a little def' than suffering an overnute. IMO.

Also, how far are your lights?

 

[asiankatie]

There's nothing much wrong with them in this pic... just suffering a little def'.

What's your ph at in the res?

Also what is your container made of? If it's UPVC, this can leak chemicals into your res'... which can slowly kill your plants. It happened to me once, I managed to bring them through to harvest but at only around a third of the weight I should have had. PVC is fine.

Do you have your truncheon yet? EC is more important, as a good friend once pointed out to me, the ppm is not so much of a surety.

Also, how big is your container? As in how many litres/gallons?

pH is 5.8, not sure what the res is made of. how do i check? whats truncheon?? its a 10gallon. and in water i have .. 7.5 gallons of RO in there.

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[asiankatie]

The def' is not that bad... I wouldn't be worried. As a starter grower, you're better suffering a little def' than suffering an overnute. IMO.

Also, how far are your lights?

Well its actually worse than it looks in the pictures.

uh. 14 inches from the lid. and its a 175 watt MH

 

[skunkushybrid]

Are your roots in the water yet? Are they hanging out of the net pots?

If they aren't you should raise the level till it is about a half inch below the bottom of your pots. Eventually dropping this to an inch. During veg', keep the level of the res' around 1" below the bottom of the pots for the duration.

It's fine to let it drop but try to top up fairly frequently... as in, say the level drops to 4" below... you top up with fresh feed.

If things are geeting worse... could you ph your res'? Make sure it's steady at around 5.8-6.3.

Also, drop your light by a few inches... say down to 11". Do you have a fan blowing between the light and the top of your plants? Do you have an exhaust system to suck away the heat?

The simple solution to all this is that you simply need to add more nutes. I just want to make sure the ph of your res is fine before suggesting you do this as another reason your plants could be lacking nutes is due to ph lockout. Usually the first idea is right... but you never know.

 

[asiankatie]

^^to answer your question: yes the roots are all in the water, and yes it is about an inch from the bottom of the net pots. I agree with you that it was a nutrient deficiency in that i only had about 2 tsps in there for the first round for 8 gallons. now there is a total of 3 tsps and 5 tsps of ca/mag I can not lower the light anymore unfortunately it will have to deal. I do NOT have a fan i need to get one, you wouldnt believe how hard it is the find one this time of year.

I have another issue that Gyp i believe is the only one aware of, my circuits can't handle that much voltage. they click off if overloaded and they do so very easily, in example they freaked out when a personal heater and blowdryer were on @ the same time. So i preferrably am trying to find an air purifier (which i will need once they start smelling) comblned with a fan in it. I dont have exhast but it doesnt really reach more than 70F in there, its an actual closet and i leave the doors open.

Update:

Alright, so I've added a Calcium Magnesium supplement (bontanicare). I added 1 tsp per gallon. Hopefully this will help, it somehow caused a slight spike in pH so i adjusted that as well, and we have it back to about 5.8 As i said before im still waiting on the ppm meter which should potentially be here monday. We've got some new growth too. which is a plus. hopefully this supplement will take care of the yellowing issue.

I will be out of town until Sunday, so hopefully they'll be okay.

Is everyone still stuck on the 24/0 idea? if i were to switch to 18/6 would it be too much of a shock to them? I dunno, just asking..

^^here's everyone all together, For some reason the other pictures aren't uploading fricken photobucket shit.

but yeah, the yellow hasnt really gotten worse this is just a better picture.

^ohp. one more uploaded. If ther other ones do ill post those too.

 

[skunkushybrid]

24/0 comes HIGHLY recommended. It's the best for upward plant growth. Instigating a dark period will aid in root development... which i don't consider to be very important.

Although there are those that would say otherwise.

 

[wafflehouselover]

thats a myth, it got mixed up when people say roots love the dark, which is true but some people came to say that dark periods would be better for roots.

 

[iblazethatkush]

i've tried both 18/6 and 24/0 and i didn't really notice a difference. I think 18/6 is better b/c my plants looked healthier then. I think they need there rest just like we do.

 

[skunkushybrid]

thats a myth, it got mixed up when people say roots love the dark, which is true but some people came to say that dark periods would be better for roots.

In my DWC grows I experimented with dark periods, and I did note that when a dark period is instigated during veg' root growth excels.

Under 24/0 the plant doesn't get time to rest... it just grows upward. It has no choice. Give your plants a dark period and they WILL develop more roots, but the plant won't grow as big. Not a myth.

At the start of my DWC grows I used to instigate a dark period to force the roots into the water... you'd actually be quite surprised at how little rest a plant needs to develop roots quickly. Usually 2 dark periods of 4 hours each would be enough.

I'm interested wafflehouse', what makes you think its a myth?

 

[charlesiii]

looking forward to seeing how those plants are going. Cheers

 

[Kant]

WE DEMAND PIX AND AN UPDATE!

 

[asiankatie]

UPDATE!!

Okay so, I'm back and it looks like the addition of the supplements as well as the nutrients was a success! Sorry the pictures look all weird and small... Im using a different picture host, photobucket was being all lame and not uploading half of the pictures.

Still waiting on the ppm meter. and Gyp's flora nova got here!

Just took these:
Here is Everyone:


Day 19 (survivor)
Here is a Top View as you can see the new leaves are doing great the only bad ones are those from the original yellowing fiasco.


Here is a view from the side (am i approaching the time for topping??)


The Three from Round Two are on Day 14
Bottom Right Looking pretty good.. recovering well.


Bottom Left (not lookin so great. I think it might have something to do with the fact that the day i left (friday) Coco got in there again and bit off one of the side leaves and pulled the root up through the rockwool and i had to feed it back down so this might have been a major shock. we'll play it by ear though


Here we have the Top Left Lookin pretty good.


Our "Dud" is on Day 9 i think..
she seems to be doing okay.


Lastly Here are our roots: the survivors are getting so long. the parts of the roots that are exposed to the air seem to be white while the ones in the water have a brownish tint to them? is that normal er....

 

[Kant]

holy crap, your cat's name is coco? my dog's name is coco...that's kinda creepy. looks like your plants are coming along nicely. how long do you plan on vegging?