Why the hell are people against free health care!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[fraiserblaze]

yeah we pay alot of taxes here in canada however.......the healthcare system here still isnt as good as it could be and we still have private clinics that you have to pay for if you want no wait time or specialized care.
but i would still rather pay my taxes and have free health care than live in the states and not be able to afford to go to the hospital for lack of insurance

 

[smokeybeaar]

President obama been in office not even 10 months the first month in office everything from the right was no no no and it looks that way now you got a bunch of rednecks racist ass people that it kills them to see a black man on top running this country that blacks built.America will always be stuck on stupid as long as we have these ignorant people like on fox news, rush limbaugh and hannity. You ignorant people dont even get it your protesting i guess you call it a tea party fox news get you amped up then you go out hear and start screaming about death panels and what not the president is trying to help you, your broke your not rich . The people on fox news bill oriely, hannity , glenn beck there rich your protesting for them so they can keep there rich status. Look what fox and all the racist right wingers has done for u tea partying poor people in the last 8 yrs 90% tax cuts to the rich (hannity,bill oriely,glenn beck,rush limbaugh) .where would the country be now if the right wingers and tea baggers would of been this agressive 8yrs ago when we were forced into a fake ass war how many died because of a lie in iraq and how much of tax payers money was spent? All because you right wingers and tea baggers was filling patriotic. Its sad to say that you racist people would follow a white person to hell then to follow a colored person to heaven, but u say this country is built on christian values yeah right this shit is build with these values (racism, hate,rape,murder) did that surprise u not me its in the history book open it and read it. You got 3yrs and some change to be mad so i would save some anger or should i say energy if i was u........ smoke one

 

[GanjaArtist]

So what happens if the Healthcare Bill takes a dive just like Cash For Clunkers? Is our "faithful" government going to just drop healthcare because it ran out of money? Face it, our government has been bankrupt since the early 1900's. Why do you think it can "give" all this shit away for "free"? Because the American Taxpayer (not the politicians mind you) is paying for it because the government doesn't have enough money to wipe its own ass. Our gov. is run on a system of debt and credit. I don't see how a government that has no money can spend billions on a national healthcare coverage plan. We're borrowing all of this money from CHINA. CHINA is the reason our heads are above the water. What's going to happen when CHINA comes to collect its debt and takes your healthcare as collateral, or a flat out trade? Are you going to let the country with forced abortion and severe population control strategies and policies dictate your healthcare? Keep your doctor, go ahead...and see if you've still got him 12 months down the road.

 

[OregonMeds]

Actually I'm an anti-theist and have been an Independent since the days of Ross Perot. And I most certainly think for myself and I haven't ever goose stepped for any politician. Which is why I'm in favor of a 50% reduction in size and power of the Federal government, starting right now.

And I DID get your point about the current level of socialism in this country, but I heartily disagree with your solution. I don't feel the half-ass socialist programs are failing because they aren't large enough, but because they exist at all. They don't belong in our free market, capitalist society, which is why they all go bankrupt. Socialism, or more accurately Fascism has ALWAYS failed throughout history.... ALWAYS.

It doesn't matter that we are the USA, you can put all of the inventiveness and ingenuity of the American spirit into doing it "our way" and it is still DOOMED TO FAILURE. It is a ponzi scheme of the highest order and it cannot sustain itself. I would be perfectly happy if we unwound Social Security (yeah that's right), Medicare, Medicaid, welfare and every other preposterous social program that the progressive movement that began in the 30's has been contaminating us with. They are all defunct and dragging this country down like an anchor.

Well then we are in agreement on a number of things. Absolutely federal government has gotten too big, there are many area that can and should be cut starting with the drug war, the DEA, the Homeland Security Dept we didn't even need to have stopped 9/11, roll back all the changes to government since pretty much nixon and do away with welfare/medicare/medicaid many things but that doesn't mean I think it's wise to just let people die in the street there needs to be a replacement.

All government is not bad, we must have it or we get taken over but had we put half the money we do into killing people into actually helping our own citizens I'm pretty sure we'd be better off.

Apparently though my idea of balance and yours differ greatly. I don't think it would do us any favors at all to cut off all social programs and let people die in the street and in fact it sounds like one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard. All that will do is create even more crime and if there's anything we have plenty of here it's crime.

Millions of people have just seen their life savings and retirements they've worked a lifetime accumulating disappear and you want to leave them to starve and cut off all access to any health care? Wow, how generous of you. I can see clock towers filling up with gunman just with the thought of your plans.

 

[Mindmelted]

Here we go the same old shit.You are a racist if you do not agree with obama.And the BLACKS built america(No buddy else but the BLACKS)
What a fucking anal comment.

 

[Mindmelted]

President obama been in office not even 10 months the first month in office everything from the right was no no no and it looks that way now you got a bunch of rednecks racist ass people that it kills them to see a black man on top running this country that blacks built america will always be stuck on stupid as long as we have these ignorant people like on fox news, rush limbaugh and hannity. You ignorant people dont even get it your protesting i guess you call it a tea party fox news get you amped up then you go out hear and start screaming about death panels and what not the president is trying to help you, your broke your not rich . The people on fox news bill oriely, hannity , glenn beck there rich your protesting for them so they can keep there rich status. Look what fox and all the racist right wingers has done for u tea partying poor people in the last 8 yrs 90% tax cuts to the rich (hannity,bill oriely,glenn beck,rush limbaugh) .where would the country be now if the right wingers and tea baggers would of been this agressive 8yrs ago when we were forced into a fake ass war how many died because of a lie in iraq and how much of tax payers money was spent? All because you right wingers and tea baggers was filling patriotic. Its sad to say that you racist people would follow a white person to hell then to follow a colored person to heaven, but this country is built on christian values yeah right this shit is build with these values (racism, hate,rape,murder) did that surprise u not me its in the history book open it and read it. You got 3yrs and some change to be mas so i would save some anger or should i say energy if i was u hehehehehehehe

A re-written yankee history book.

 

[MuyLocoNC]

The American Journal of Medicine is a "liberal rag"?

The link you provided went through the Washington Post, unless I've lost the ability to read what is right in front of my face. Take a gander at this before you tag something as concrete just because it appears in the AJM. And be careful before you criticize what follows as you might be shocked as to where it comes from.

American Journal of Medicine. The report states without reservation, "Using a conservative definition, 62.1 percent of all bankruptcies in 2007 were medical."

But that's not the end of the story.

We should also note that the study appeared in a peer-reviewed journal, but two of the authors belong to the group Physicians for a National Health Program, a group that advocates for a universal, single-payer health program.

Finally, we feel another study is worth mentioning that complicates the definition of medical bankruptcies. Ning Zhu of the University of California, Davis, has a 2008 draft study analyzing bankruptcies filed in Delaware in 2003. He found that overspending on household expenditures such as houses and automobiles contributed significantly to bankruptcy filings. His data show that the overspending made people more likely to file for bankruptcy after an illness.

That may sound like a "no duh" conclusion, but it raises questions about medical bankruptcies and how they are defined. If people overspend so much that they need everything to go right to meet their financial obligations, and then they get sick, should those bankruptcies properly be categorized as medical bankruptcies? We're not suggesting there's an easy answer here, but it does make the category of "medical bankruptcy" a good bit more complicated.

 

[smokeybeaar]

Here we go the same old shit.You are a racist if you do not agree with obama.And the BLACKS built america(No buddy else but the BLACKS)
What a fucking anal comment.

well tell me who built this country mexicans let me guess indians or asians we all no its in the history books your people wrote it not me and its not about if you dont like the president your racist if you cant see whats going on then im sorry I see it and other countries see it to lol as long as me and you no whats going on thats all that mattersAMERICA will fall because this country is diveded on race not on issues thank about it would you let your little white daughter have a black boy friend if we did that poll on fox what do u think the out come would be

 

[smokeybeaar]

will we let ignorance and laziness bring our demise hell you can answer that shit we already have but you dont see it if you are a christian like most of you would say then you should already no that America was demised from the start nothing good comes from rape, murder, kidnapping . If u have kids you would tell them rape murder and kidnapping are all very bad so why are the bad now but was good then thank about it

 

[OregonMeds]

Is racism real? Yes. Could it be a part of some peoples decision to oppose this? Yes. Should it keep being brought up in this debate? No, it's pointless to argue about it.

Our government has always used our differences to divide us and played on peoples natural fears and ignorance, don't fall into that trap, that is just what they want. They'll use anything to distract your attention from the real issues like the lost trivial bullshit for example gay marriage.

Am I saying racism is not a real issue? NO. It's a real issue but it has nothing of value to add to this debate.

I'm a white guy and if I had one I'd let my daughter date or marry anyone she wanted as long as he made her happy and treated her right. It took a lot of white votes to get us a black president so you can't say we're all racist.

 

[Mindmelted]

And what civilization has not done what you mention.

 

[smokeybeaar]

will we let ignorance and laziness be are demise. well its to late to ask that question like 400yrs to late demise is hear thank about it

 

[Mindmelted]

You mean white people voted for obama.I thought only the blacks got him elected.
Oh yeah the whites also got rid of slavery(Ironic is it not)

 

[OregonMeds]

Speaking of slavery reading this thread makes one wonder if we're headed towards another civil war. Seems like the south has risen again after all and I don't mean in a racist way I mean there's getting to be a larger and larger divide between opinions without any end in sight. One group stuck in the mud and clinging to religion and the other still too divided to agree on much of anything. I'd have to put my money on the religous nuts winning, at least they all work together and put most of their differences aside.

 

[Mindmelted]

will we let ignorance and laziness be are demise. well its to late to ask that question like 400yrs to late demise is hear thank about it

400 years of what!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[smokeybeaar]

And what civilization has not done what you mention.

its a difference but thats another story.Im not trying to sound difficult just speaking how I see it it dont take a rocket science to see whats going on do you thank countries like china, and russia dont see whats going on this is a divided country just turn the tv on look at the news channel its haitred the president wife a monkey why since when we talk about the presidents wife. why is people taking there kids out of school when the president comes because hes a democrat or his color I was always taught that the president was the highest office in the land but since a Black man is in that seat the president is just another job like wal-mart. could you imagine what would happen if a group of young blackmales with weapons permits would carry a weapon to a presidential function what would be the out come them same tea baggers shawn hannity ,limbaugh and the rest of the great americans would voice there racist opinions and something would be done once again it doesnt take a rocket scientist or does it

 

[Mindmelted]

The guy carrying the ak47 was black

 

[smokeybeaar]

since the slaughter of the true AMERICANS (INDIANS) on this soil which you call america thats when the criminals should of been thinking about there demise they wasnt thinking then its to late to think about it now its to much hatred inbedded in the u.s.a. if u thank about what REV WRIGHT said was the truth it didnt even take a whole 6mo to see what the REV was talking about was the truth and you all are slow because you cant see it or maybe dont want to

 

[Mindmelted]

Whatever dude,you have a chip on your shoulder and it does not matter what anybody says.
According to you,you and only you are right.I think you are the fucking racist.
Oh wait,let me guess you are one of those that say blacks can not be racist.

 

[smokeybeaar]

The guy carrying the ak47 was black

what do you tell your kids when you take them out of school because PRESIDENT OBAMA is coming why is it only white people crying just like the tea party whites only. Issues dont have a color they effect everyone no matter your color so where are the hispanics ,asians, indians ,and blacks. why arent they pulling there kids out of school or why arent they screaming at town hall meetings thats clearly not a race issue thank about it