anyone see a problem with this

I am wondering if instead getting a mother plant, can i make a clone of a clone and continue my cycle like that? I have some seeds and i want to germ them and veg for 3 weeks, then cut clones, finish vegging for one more week befor putting into flower. Veg clones for two weeks then flower. Two weeks into flower, cut clones to start the next negeneration and so forth. Does anyone see any problems with that? How long should i veg before cloning Any input or advice is appreciated.
 

jeffchr

Well-Known Member
sure you can do that
may want to put them into flower before you clone so you clone just girls
your cycles are kinda short tho
 

Trevor

Member
You definitely can do that. Like the post above said, if they aren't feminized seeds, you will need to sex first.
 

RickWhite

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Dude, there is a thread about this right here on the same page. Did you not see it?

Jesus this forum needs a functioning search feature.
 

born2killspam

Well-Known Member
You're good for more than a few generations anyways.. I've heard of ppl doing that for 40-50 generations.. Whether integrity goes downhill, and how long that takes is debatable and has been debated many times with no real resolution..
 

canadianmade

Active Member
ive been doin exactly what you described for almost a year and have had no problems. i use a DEEP fish tank for my veg room. takes up way less space than having mothers but limits you to the amount of clones you can cut.
 

Brick Top

New Member
Jesus this forum needs a functioning search feature.

I have tried the search function several times recently to see if it worked and if so how well it works. What I found is it works just like any search engine. You only need to use the right key words and the information you are looking for, if it exists on the site, will be found.
 
I think the main problem is far to few use it and of those that do use it few use it in a way to get the most from it.

At times you only need to choose posts/messages instead of threads, or visa versa and the needed information is then most times found.
 

born2killspam

Well-Known Member
Here's a tip incase it helps ppl..
You can search this site alone through google, using all of googles extended options..
Syntax example: "clone of a clone of a clone" site:rollitup.org
This would also remove the search tasks away from rollitup servers, and if everyone did it the site would be faster..
 

RickWhite

Well-Known Member
We need a sticky about searching. What I have found is that you type in key words and get 18000 results, none of which with titles that match your search.

As far as the clone question. I have looked into it. Cloning is a mitotic event, not a meiotic one so there is no degradation of any kind. You can take clones of clones for ever. Every clone is a brand new offspring. Now keeping a mother alive far too long may cause issues. It's better to take a clone from a clone than from an old mom.
 

born2killspam

Well-Known Member
Forever huh?? What about eukaryote telomere shortening??
(Just kidding, I felt like some totally pointless adversarialism..:) )
 
Thanks guys, and i have done searches and everyone says something different on each forum. I just wanted to ask and see if anyone has done it without seeing any negative effects. Thanks for the help guys/gals.
 

Brick Top

New Member
I have read the following argument a few times and I do not know if it is true but it does sound feasible.



Do clones lose potency? I've seen this topic discussed before.

Some growers say no, but I disagree because it's happened to me and my friends.

Through light manipulation we can now keep a pot plant alive indefinately. There's a grower not too far away that has kept a plant alive for over 5 years.

But he doesn't clone from it. And it never flowers; it's in perpertual veg. It's more like a house plant.

The reason that clones lose vigor over time imo is because marijuana is an annual. Without artificial sources of light it will complete it's life cycle and die in less than a year.

When you keep a donor plant alive for over a year, you are doing something unnatural, something no marijuana plant experienced through millions of years of evolution.

The plant you take clones from IS NOT a mother plant. Mother denotes (usually sexual) reproduction, and that's not what's happening when you take clones. The plant you take clones from is more correctly called a donor plant.

When you take a clone from a donor, that new plant, the clone, you shouldn't think of it as an exact reproduction of the donor plant--it IS the donor plant. You cut a piece of the donor plant off but it still is that plant.

So the plant, kept alive for longer than nature intended, loses vigor, which affects both yield and potency.

The difference in opinion is probably due to the fact that it affects some strains quicker than others.


If that is accurate taking clones from clones would have the same effect over time. It would still be the original donor plant being artificially kept alive much longer than evolution or Mother Nature or God or whoever or whatever intended it to survive possibly causing some degree of breakdown over time.
 
Then again …. Maybe not.
 

GypsyBush

Well-Known Member
Dudes...

You cannot alter a plant's DNA by taking cuttings from it...

Clones are an exact GENETIC copy of the original...

DNA cannot be manipulated so easily...:lol:

Clones are IN FACT the same plant... same EXACT DNA code...:lol:

Good one though...:lol::clap:
 

RickWhite

Well-Known Member
I have read the following argument a few times and I do not know if it is true but it does sound feasible.



Do clones lose potency? I've seen this topic discussed before.

Some growers say no, but I disagree because it's happened to me and my friends.

Through light manipulation we can now keep a pot plant alive indefinately. There's a grower not too far away that has kept a plant alive for over 5 years.

But he doesn't clone from it. And it never flowers; it's in perpertual veg. It's more like a house plant.

The reason that clones lose vigor over time imo is because marijuana is an annual. Without artificial sources of light it will complete it's life cycle and die in less than a year.

When you keep a donor plant alive for over a year, you are doing something unnatural, something no marijuana plant experienced through millions of years of evolution.

The plant you take clones from IS NOT a mother plant. Mother denotes (usually sexual) reproduction, and that's not what's happening when you take clones. The plant you take clones from is more correctly called a donor plant.

When you take a clone from a donor, that new plant, the clone, you shouldn't think of it as an exact reproduction of the donor plant--it IS the donor plant. You cut a piece of the donor plant off but it still is that plant.

So the plant, kept alive for longer than nature intended, loses vigor, which affects both yield and potency.

The difference in opinion is probably due to the fact that it affects some strains quicker than others.


If that is accurate taking clones from clones would have the same effect over time. It would still be the original donor plant being artificially kept alive much longer than evolution or Mother Nature or God or whoever or whatever intended it to survive possibly causing some degree of breakdown over time.
 
Then again …. Maybe not.
Sorry but your theory is 100% wrong. Look it up on Wikipedia - I think they call it "propagation by fragmentation."

The important thing is that taking a cutting involves mitosis and not meiosis. The clone is not a piece of the donor plant but becomes an actual offspring but with the same DNA.

Your claim is that the clone is a meiotic continuation of the donor plant - this is simply incorrect and it's vary easy to look up.
 

RickWhite

Well-Known Member
Sorry but your theory is 100% wrong. Look it up on Wikipedia - I think they call it "propagation by fragmentation."

The important thing is that taking a cutting involves mitosis and not meiosis. The clone is not a piece of the donor plant but becomes an actual offspring but with the same DNA.

Your claim is that the clone is a meiotic continuation of the donor plant - this is simply incorrect and it's vary easy to look up.
I have to correct myself here as I had my terms reversed. Meiosis involves the formation of gametes and mitosis is the reproduction of body cells. It's been a long time since college.

However, in reading more on cloning it still seems that a cutting taken from a plant is still an offspring and not a continuation of the parent plant. Just not quite for the reason I gave.

I'm trying to find a good in depth explanation of how this process occurs on a molecular level but haven't found it so far. Anyway, what I have found suggests that each clone is in fact as much of a new offspring as a plant grown from seed. I'm just not sure why right now.
 

born2killspam

Well-Known Member
BTW, if we deeply understood cell division at a molecular level, we'd pretty much be able to create life.. So don't waste your time looking for that, bits and pieces are all you get..
 
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