Iran Update...

[PadawanBater]

Paddy, you think Israel can just run over to Iran and invade? Look at a map.
I won't take it back.... show me anytime Israel has invaded any of its neighbors unprovoked. When someone rolls across your borders with tanks, it's okay to defend urself. When terrorists fire rockets into civilian populations (ur friends), it's okay to defend urself.
You should think it through my friend. My statement is accurate.

Yes, Israel could EASILY strike Iran if they wanted to.

Israeli aggression;

-The Zionist aggression against the Palestinian people started in 1897 in Basle, Switzerland, when the founders of Zionism decided to establish a Jewish homeland in Palestine, on the expense of the Palestinian people. The 1947 UN Partition Resolution gave the two warring parties a state for each one of them with clearly defined territories.

-The 1948 war is the original example of Israeli aggression. By the end of that war, Israel has annexed the Palestinian Arab territories of Galilee, Auja, parts of Gaza Strip, and parts of the West Bank, all of which were parts of the Palestinian Arab state according to the Partition resolution. Israeli forces had attacked Palestinian territories, particularly Galilee, well before the Arab states entered the war. If you go back to the memoirs of all Israeli leaders, you'll find that they wanted to annex Jerusalem, which was in the middle of the Arab territory of the West Bank. To do that they penetrated the West Bank to Jerusalem, that is why there is a corridor linking Israel to Jerusalm. Finally, the Israeli forces, the Haganah, had a plan known as Plan Dalet, according to which they attacked Palestinian villages to evict Palestinians from them, in our time now we call this ethnic cleansing. All this has nothing to do with the intervention of other Arab states in the war. The Israeli aggression has continued ever since by not allowing Palestinian refugees, who were evicted by Israelis from their towns and villages, to return to their property,. That is why the problem has continued until today.

-The October 31, 1956 war, in which Israel participated with Britain and France in attacking Egypt and the Palestinian Gaza Strip, was Israel's second major war of aggression against Arabs.

-The June 5, 1967 war was the third major Israeli war of aggression against Arabs (Egypt, Syria, Jordan, and the Palestinian people in the West Bank and Gaza). It was justified by Israeli leaders and their supporters as a pre-emptive strike. Sharon still uses this type of justification by following his policy of the assassination of Hamas leaders. It was an Israeli war of aggression, launched for expansion and justified as a preemptive strike.

-The war of attrition that the Egyptians engaged the Israelis on the banks of the Suez Canal between 1967 and 1973 was the Egyptian resistance to the Israeli occupation of Sinai, which continued as an aggression against Egypt during that period. What would you expect the Egyptians, the most ancient nation on earth, to do? Did you want them to submit to the will of the Israeli invaders? They couldn't allow themselves to be humiliated. So, this was nothing but resistance to the Israeli aggression which started on June 5, 1967.

-The October 1973 War, the Yom Kippur War, was an Egyptian and Syrian war to liberate their territories that Israel occupied on June 5, 1967. How can you ignore the original Israeli aggression and look at the reaction to it as an aggression? This is exactly the problem of today between the Sharon government and the Palestinian people. Sharon wants to continue assassinating Hamas leaders and killing Palestinian civilians as a collateral damage without receiving back their reaction, suicide bombing, rocket launching, and attacks on Israeli soldier. Many Israelis still insist not to see their aggrression, as represented by their military occupation of the Arab territories and the subjugation of the Palestinian people to their military rule. All what they focus on is the Arab reaction to their aggression.

-In brief, all the wars launched in the Middle East were Israeli wars of aggression or reistance to these wars. It seems that the Middle East, and the world, will not see peace until Israelis and their supporters acknowledge that you cannot invade and occupy other nations without triggering resistance. Only when Israelis become peaceful people, the Middle East and the world will enjoy peace.

http://www.aljazeerah.info/Editorials/2003 Editorials/May-August 2003/Israeli aggression in the past and present, By Hassan El-Najjar and Michael Bokerelli.htm

 

[fdd2blk]

I'll answer it ONE MORE TIME....

Nazi Germany.... okay for them to have nukes? How about Syria?.....

See we don't really want countries that develop nukes to ever use them.

According to your logic, we shouldn't even bother or care if North Korea has nuclear weaponry.....

You guys have a death wish.....

I've answered it three times already.....

your answer sure contains a lot of question marks.

i'll assume you don't really understand or even know.


have fun fishing.

 

[CrackerJax]

UR information is woefully flawed......

Let's start with the beginning.... 1948. Israel was attacked Paddy.... not the other way around. Look it up....

 

[CrackerJax]

your answer sure contains a lot of question marks.

i'll assume you don't really understand or even know.


have fun fishing.

2 question marks to be exact. I could have easily slipped Syria in the same sentence.

I will try to condense my question marks so as to not frighten you.....

 

[fdd2blk]

2 question marks to be exact. I could have easily slipped Syria in the same sentence.

I will try to condense my question marks so as to not frighten you.....

you're scared to address what is put in front of you. pick the simplest sidetrack and run with it.

all your "facts" are your own "opinion". that's cool

 

[CrackerJax]

what are you talking about.....? <---- oops.

I was told that nukes are cool for everyone. That is what I was responding to. If you have another question or u feel I have somehow missed a question.... refer me to the errant post.

 

[PadawanBater]

UR information is woefully flawed......

Let's start with the beginning.... 1948. Israel was attacked Paddy.... not the other way around. Look it up....

Explain it to me CJ, who attacked who and why?

 

[sguardians2]

Okay, the latest report is just in and stipulates that Iran now has enough enriched uranium for a nuclear missile. Iran can have an operational weapon by President Obama's Inaugural swear in.

Israel has already said they will attack.

So what's next? What should or can Obama do?

Your thoughts....?






out.

A year later, and what about that report?

Crack pot, a more appropriate monicker?

 

[CrackerJax]

You know Paddy.... don't play coy...

The war where Israel was attacked by no less than 5 nations...........that makes Israel an aggressor huh.

 

[PadawanBater]

You know Paddy.... don't play coy...

The war where Israel was attacked by no less than 5 nations...........that makes Israel an aggressor huh.

-The October 1973 War, the Yom Kippur War, was an Egyptian and Syrian war to liberate their territories that Israel occupied on June 5, 1967. How can you ignore the original Israeli aggression and look at the reaction to it as an aggression? This is exactly the problem of today between the Sharon government and the Palestinian people. Sharon wants to continue assassinating Hamas leaders and killing Palestinian civilians as a collateral damage without receiving back their reaction, suicide bombing, rocket launching, and attacks on Israeli soldier. Many Israelis still insist not to see their aggrression, as represented by their military occupation of the Arab territories and the subjugation of the Palestinian people to their military rule. All what they focus on is the Arab reaction to their aggression.

 

[Woomeister]

Israel is an agressor...this is from CNN's Cafferty file:
Unlike the U.S., which has spent more than 5 years looking for Osama bin Laden and invading Iraq and not succeeding at either, the Israelis tend not to mess around.
Ask Syria. Last year an Israeli airstrike reportedly targeted a partially built Syrian nuclear reactor. Ask Iraq. In 1981, Israel bombed a nuclear reactor in Baghdad, saying they thought it was making nuclear weapons to destroy Israel.

Whatever the motives, flying into foreign airspace and dropping bombs/missiles is an act of war/aggression.

 

[CrackerJax]

-The October 1973 War, the Yom Kippur War, was an Egyptian and Syrian war to liberate their territories that Israel occupied on June 5, 1967. How can you ignore the original Israeli aggression and look at the reaction to it as an aggression? This is exactly the problem of today between the Sharon government and the Palestinian people. Sharon wants to continue assassinating Hamas leaders and killing Palestinian civilians as a collateral damage without receiving back their reaction, suicide bombing, rocket launching, and attacks on Israeli soldier. Many Israelis still insist not to see their aggrression, as represented by their military occupation of the Arab territories and the subjugation of the Palestinian people to their military rule. All what they focus on is the Arab reaction to their aggression.

Let's be clear.

We are skipping your first act of Israeli aggression. The 1948 war?

Let me slip that up in the win column before I proceed to the next act of Israeli aggression and invasion. They're a bunch of invaders huh.... okay. Let me finish my coffee.

1948 - Arab Aggression.

 

[Woomeister]

Another reason why Islamic states hate Israel:

Twenty-six years have passed since Messianic Jews tried to and partially succeeded in burning-down Islam's third holiest sanctuary, the blessed Al-Aqsa Mosque. The nefarious sacrilege was by no means, as the Israeli government then suggested, and isolated act committed by a deranged man who acted on his own. Quite the contrary, the morbid Israeli designs against the sacred Muslim Shrine show that diabolical feat was a deliberate collective act of aggression carried out with the unmistakable acquiescence of the Israeli political establishment and the active encouragement of much of the world's Jewry and their fundamentalist Christian allies.
The following is a list of the acts of aggression and desecration against Al-Aqsa Mosque since June 7,1967:
June 7,1967: The occupation authorities confiscated the keys of the Western Gate known as Bab El-Magharba immediately after Israeli troops seized the town from the fleeing Jordanians.
June 9,1967: The congregational Friday prayer was not held on orders from the occupation authorities. That was the first time the Juma'a prayer didn't take place since the liberation of Jerusalem from the hands of the Crusades in 1167 AD on October 19,1990, The Juma'a prayer was delayed for two hours because the the occupation authorities denied Muslim worshiper entry to the Haram compound.
June 21,1969: An Australian-born terrorist, Denis Michael Rohan, entered the mosque and set the magnificent Nurrukin Zinki Mihrab on fire. The fire gutted the unique Mihrab, which has restored. The sacrilegious act against the mosque was condemned world-wide, but was praised by wide segments of world Jewry and Christian fundamentalists who view the creation of Israeli in Palestine as a fulfillment of Biblical prophecy and a precedence to the second advent of Jesus.
November 16, 1969: The Israeli occupation authorities seized the Fakhriyya Corner on the south-western side of the Haram Al-Sharif.
August 14,1970: The Gershon Salmon group, and ultra-fanatic group dedicated to the so-called rebuilding of the Temple of Solomon of the site of Al-Aqsa Mosque after it is demolished, forcibly entered the premises of the Haram, but were repulsed by Muslims. The confrontation resulted in tens of worshiper being injure by Israeli troop gunfire.

April 19,1980: A group of Jewish Rabbis and sages held a semi-secret conference devoted to exploring ways and means "to liberate the Temple Mount from Muslim hands".
August 28,1980: The Israeli occupation authorities dug a tunnel right underneath the Mosque.
March 30,1982: Numerous leters were sent Muslim Waqf authorities urging them to abandon the Temple Mount and warning them of the dire consequence of their "usurpation of our Temple". The letters were written in Hebrew, English, French, Spanish and Polish.
May 20,1982: Several Zionist organizations sent death threats to Waqf officials.
April 11,1982: An Israeli soldier named Allen Goodman stormed the interior of the Mosque, spraying worshipers with bullets from his M-16 assault rifle, killing and wounding over 60 Palestinians.
March 26,1983: The main entrance to the Jerusalem's Waqf department collapsed due to Israeli excavations underneath.
August 21,1985: The Israeli police permitted Jewish extremists to hold prayers within the confines of the Haram premises.
August 4, 1986: A group of Rabbis issued final ruling allowing Jews to pray at the Haram Al-Sharif, and demanded the establishment of a Synagogue in the area.
May 12,1988: Israeli soldiers opened fire on a peaceful Muslim march at the Haram, Killing and wounding about a hundred Palestinians.
August 8,1990: The Israeli authorities committed a grisly massacre at the Al-Aqsa Mosque, Killing 22 worshipers and injuring over 200.
And on July 25, 1995, the Israeli High Court of Justice issued a ruling, allowing Jews to pray at the "Temple Mount". The decision sparked off widespread protests among Muslims

 

[CrackerJax]

Okay, coffee finished.... on to ur second act of Israel aggression and invasion.

1967..... wait a minute.... 3 nations invaded Israel then. Ooops. Egypt, Jordan, and Syria, with troops and arms also provided by Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Tunisia, and Algeria.

Completely outnumbered and outgunned, israel never the less kick their arses up and down the desert and bring huge heaps of humiliation upon the Arab states.... again.

I keep looking for that Imperialistic invading Israel....... keep it coming.... I'm waiting.

You might start to see a pattern forming if you think about it objectively......

 

[CrackerJax]

 

[fitch303]

The Arabs want the land Israel sits on, if they nuke it then NOBODY will live there for quite a long time. I personally belive that Iran would use nukes as a huge bargaining chip but wouldn't actually pull the trigger. Besides most of the fallout would blow east and land on Muslim countries which wouldn't make much sense.

 

[fdd2blk]

The Arabs want the land Israel sits on, if they nuke it then NOBODY will live there for quite a long time. I personally belive that Iran would use nukes as a huge bargaining chip but wouldn't actually pull the trigger. Besides most of the fallout would blow east and land on Muslim countries which wouldn't make much sense.

you can't come in here and start talking any kind of logic. it's not allowed.

 

[CrackerJax]

Well then, what has the world been thinking for the last 7 years? What has all the negotiations been about? The carrots of offerings?

All the nations should have just called you guys.... you know what Iran is going to do. You know they don't really mean what they say.

You know.............. You guys sure could have saved many nations billions of dollars. Speak up next time when you come across a gem of an idea, that no one else has. The negotiations prove they don't think that's the case, and/or is it something you take a chance on? Think it through...... know your opponent.

 

[PadawanBater]

-The 1948 war is the original example of Israeli aggression. By the end of that war, Israel has annexed the Palestinian Arab territories of Galilee, Auja, parts of Gaza Strip, and parts of the West Bank, all of which were parts of the Palestinian Arab state according to the Partition resolution. Israeli forces had attacked Palestinian territories, particularly Galilee, well before the Arab states entered the war. If you go back to the memoirs of all Israeli leaders, you'll find that they wanted to annex Jerusalem, which was in the middle of the Arab territory of the West Bank. To do that they penetrated the West Bank to Jerusalem, that is why there is a corridor linking Israel to Jerusalm. Finally, the Israeli forces, the Haganah, had a plan known as Plan Dalet, according to which they attacked Palestinian villages to evict Palestinians from them, in our time now we call this ethnic cleansing. All this has nothing to do with the intervention of other Arab states in the war. The Israeli aggression has continued ever since by not allowing Palestinian refugees, who were evicted by Israelis from their towns and villages, to return to their property,. That is why the problem has continued until today.

Let's be clear.
We are skipping your first act of Israeli aggression. The 1948 war?

No, I havn't skipped anything. Every war Israel has been in has been a war waged of agression against it's arab neighbors. I posted that little bit in bold because you missed it the first time around, and I guess you missed it the second time around too, because you're still asking the same things...

So you ignore the original Israeli aggression and look at the reaction to it as aggression? Yet you call the men and women fighting for their country in the middle east against the US ''terrorists''. If Israel are the good guys the your ''terrorists'' are also the good guys, which would make us the bad guys.

That was the point.

The 1967 war was a pre-emptive war launched for expansion by Israel... wtf are you even talking about now?

See that's obviously the problem with you CJ, you look at the reactions instead of the causes, you don't wish to get to the bottom of the animosity in the region, you just want to spread democracy through the barrel of a gun and hope the middle east simply bows down at our expansion and illegal occupation.

The fighting has gone on for years, reactions to the new conflicts need to be looked at in the context of history, you can't just take one example - Hamas firing rockets into Israel - and say that Israel is being attacked.. What about the blockades, what about the embargos, is that not an act of aggression? Keeping the people who occupy your country completely suppressed in every aspect? That IS an act of aggression and Israel is at fault. I wouldn't stand for it, neither would you CrackerJax, and I thought you'd be man enough to admit it. If you were Palestinian, you'd sure as fuck be singin' a different tune than you are now. It's easy to look at the situation from 10,000 miles away and think you've got it all figured out, but the reality on the ground is there are much bigger problems that need to be solved, and to solve them BOTH states must admit the faults of their past, not just the Arab ones. Israel is infalable to most Americans, they're the window of democracy to that entire region, when in reality they've got as much dirt as any of their neighbors, only difference is they've got bigger toys to play with, which ALWAYS results in ridiculous numbers of casualties, usually in the civilian population.

But I guess it's all justified in your mind eh, CJ...

 

[fitch303]

"war of aggression" is there such thing as a war of non aggression? Point is just refer to it as a war.